Brian and Covid-19

[QUOTE] [b]Enigma wrote:[/b]

Snobbery is certainly in the Conservative party as they look down there nose at certain parts of the country.[/QUOTE]



Well this thread is about the action taken around the Covid - 19 epidemic, and all parties are currently in agreement in the UK with Boris Johnson, as he's currently following the WHO advice all the other parties would be doing the same.

Which is the same as what most other countries are doing, regardless of political systems.

[QUOTE] [b]emrabt wrote:[/b]Well this thread is about the action taken around the Covid - 19 epidemic, and all parties are currently in agreement in the UK with Boris Johnson, as he's currently following the WHO advice all the other parties would be doing the same.
Which is the same as what most other countries are doing, regardless of political systems.[/QUOTE]

hear hear! applauds! ^

[QUOTE] [b]Enigma wrote:[/b]Tories are still failing OUR NHS staff by not issuing face masks and hand wash etc...... they are a disgrace.[/QUOTE]

stop talking rubbish. if all of the opposition parties in parliament can back the Tories over this crisis - then we all should too. the whole world is in the same boat.
the whole world is struggling to get facemasks - we have a huge delivery of these due on Monday - the same day as >3,000,000 testing kits arrive.

why don't you go check some facts:
>> like how Germany redirected a consignment of of masks (manufactured in Germany) bound for Austria back to Germany.
>> like how Emmanuel Macron hijacked consignments ordered and paid for delivery to the UK and confiscated them for use in France - until the Tory Govt you hate so much intervened and forced the French to release the consignments immediately.

or, alternatively, you could show good grace - and pull together on this and say "yep, i was wrong - the Tories are working hard to make sure we're okay"

go on, try it. we need to all pull in the same direction - none of this is about party politics - lose the bile and hate now..

[QUOTE] [b]Enigma wrote:[/b]

Tories are still failing OUR NHS staff by not issuing face masks and hand wash etc...... they are a disgrace.[/QUOTE]

And the Labour party, if they won the last election (Which they didn't because they were fighting among themselves instead of against the Conservatives) would be in the same situation right now, there is not enough face masks, hand wash and ventilators available. Production of these is being increased but it takes time.
The fact that the private sector and the NHS are working together and sharing Doctors, hospitals and equipment should clue you in that everyone is working together on this.

It absolutely should have been taken seriously a lot sooner, but other countries, for examples the Netherlands had the same attitude as the UK at first, and didn't put any serious restrictions in place, they were later to act than us too.

Also the US and Australia.

Please don't spout nonsense, lots of countries acting in very similar ways.

[QUOTE] [b]Enigma wrote:[/b]

Exactly and Brenski is defending the loony Conservatives what a dill.[/QUOTE]

Part of living in a democracy is understanding people will defend parties you might not like.

[QUOTE] [b]Enigma wrote:[/b]

Well most of the country hates the Tories with Boris the clown[/QUOTE]

The Tories won the last election with an 80 seat party majority.

Enigma, re:

>Tories are still failing OUR NHS staff by not issuing face masks and hand wash etc...... they are a disgrace.

You're a fucking idiot - imagine the shit we'd be in if Corbyn was in charge. Shit, he couldn't even make a decision on making a decision during the Brexit fiasco when he had the perfect chance to make hay whilst the sun was shining.

Back to the Purple Mash website for you - mummy ought to be more careful where she leaves her laptop.........

[QUOTE][color=SaddleBrown] [b]Enigma wrote:[/b]Boris Johnsons advisers were too slow to act on this coronavirus

Well most of the country hates the Tories with Boris the clown[/color][/QUOTE]

Gerry, please read this BEFORE launching another attack.

no they were not too slow. read on.

no they don't hate the Tories - you might, but they don't "they" (Labour voters) turned their back on their party to elect Boris - that should tell you everything you need to know about Labour - and more about your hated Tories. sometimes, your imaginings are so wildly wrong you'd be astounded to hear the truth. Labour Party supporters are sick to death of a Labour Party that has abandoned grassroots members in favour of the Islington Set.
you are so ill-informed it's unbelievable. stop and check your facts before you spout your bile.

here's some absolute facts for you on the current crisis.

1. the actions of the Govt were taken at the correct time. you can't just advance straight to lockdown from day 1. scientists need to be able to use computer algorithms to predict spread and outcomes. you can't do this without some actual initial data.
2. the further spread was because of morons who ignored advice and kept on socialising - thereby forcing the Govt to introduce lockdown.
3. the briefings have been professional, efficient and informative. - only the left wing (Guardian, BBC and Channel4) have shown hostility in their Q&As
4. No one in the UK will need to be financially worse off as a result of this crisis.
> Those placed in Furlough by their employers will receive 80% of their salary paid by the Govt.
> The self-employed will be able to claim 80% of their profits (upto a max of £2500 per month) from the Govt.
> Firms have been given rates/rent breaks - as well as Corp tax breaks and business grants
> Those whose companies choose to lay them off will have quicker access to benefits - inside 10 days, with emergency payments being made the day claims are submitted.
5. organised/structured food and medical deliveries are being arranged for those in forced isolation - initially at nil cost to those isolated
6. 35,000 additional medical staff have been recruited (including 11,000 previously retired)
7. 10,000 existing medical staff in unrelated specialisms have been redeployed to emergency/intensive care
8. a 5,000 bed temporary hospital (at the Excel centre, London) has been equipped inside one week
9. Dyson to produce thousands of additional ventilators
10. test kits, masks and other vetilators are en route to the UK today - bear in mind this is global crisis so, we've done exceptionally well to secure the stuff we need - many countries are only now ordering this vital equipment.


Hundreds of Billions of £s have been found to ensure no family suffers hardship. European and Asia leaders have held up the UK's aid package (2nd best in the world) as a model for best practice.

the Daily Briefings are routinely at the same time of day - so everyone currently locked down has no excuse to not hear them...what have you been doing at 5pm every day?
you really are absolutely impossible to reason with. and, more importantly - you're alone in your reasoning on this one. this really is time to step back Gerry, admit you are wrong and dump your party politics - because it doesn't belong in this discussion - at all.

by doing what you are doing, you're manifesting your complete lack of knowledge for all to see.
finally, if you can't find anything positive to say, then this worldwide crisis does not need your bile - things need to move on. there's people dying, and you're busying yourself with name-calling. c'mon fella, can't you see EVERYONE disagrees with you.
not even your usual compadres - runner, aristide or Freddie Jupiter are jumping to your defence. that should tell you everything.
please stop this now - and (for once) pull together with the rest of us.

They basically came out with what classic Labour would like to think they would have done.

State intervention. Increasing the health service resources. Providing a financial safety net for vulnerable workers.

[QUOTE] [b]AlbaNo1 wrote:[/b]They basically came out with what classic Labour would like to think they would have done.

State intervention. Increasing the health service resources. Providing a financial safety net for vulnerable workers.[/QUOTE]

yes. only this goes way way way beyond anything Labour would've dreamed up. think about it: Labour are not the party of private enterprise/profit making businesses.
The Tory's have ensured ALL business has a fighting chance of survival. that's impressive.
there's nothing that Corbyn and his acolytes can accuse of being "ignored".

oh, and here's an incredibly ironic situation occurring on this very forum.

Almost everyone is pulling in the same direction. everyone is united in doing their best and not trying to divide or be divisive over COVID-19.

however, we have TWO people here who are completely against everything their own Govts are trying to do.
and the irony? they're the two people who completely despise everything Queen-related that the other stands for.

step forward:
Gerry - the Freddie stepford and all-round Bri/Rog/AL hater extraordinaire....and
SweetCaroline - the Adam Lambert fixated fangirl

yep you guessed it folks:
Gerry and SweetCaroline - a perfect match made in hell - who knew?

'm sure they'll BOTH be appalled to have something in common with each other - maybe one - or other may finally see sense, and stop this now?

[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]

there's nothing that Corbyn and his acolytes can accuse of being "ignored".

[/QUOTE]

I agree, they also took on board all the feedback given about loans not being good enough for small business who need grants and the self employed being abandoned and actually extended the safety net.


I've honestly never seen anything like this at all in my lifetime.

[QUOTE] [b]emrabt wrote:[/b][QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]
there's nothing that Corbyn and his acolytes can accuse of being "ignored".[/QUOTE]
I agree, they also took on board all the feedback given about loans not being good enough for small business who need grants and the self employed being abandoned and actually extended the safety net.
I've honestly never seen anything like this at all in my lifetime.[/QUOTE]

i'm just so relieved it's a Govt that appreciates wealth creation and business. it's all just stunningly brilliant. in the coming year or two - when UK growth is outstripping most of the world, experts will look back at this and comment that these eight days changed the fortunes of our country generations to come.

oh and there was ONE masterstroke played today. many will have missed it. granting an extension to those Self Empl who didn't submit their books by end of January. as the 80% is based around profits - a whole bunch of these SEs will now have to declare actual profit if they want to take this "late" opportunity. upshot? Govt now knows who you are and how much you made....IOW - from now on you pay your taxes. Genius

i said earlier about Leadership in crisis: Churchill, Thatcher etc.
The expression "cometh the hour, cometh the man" - this is Boris' moment. most probably thought brexit would make/break him - but that's now for another day.
The way he has handled this crisis has assured his future Statemanship, undoubtedly.

oh, and Rishi Sunak? - wow, cool customer, intelligent, smart under pressure and definitely set for greater things. Bet Sajid Javid feels like a petulant fool now.

[QUOTE] [b]brENsKi wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE][color=SaddleBrown] [b]Enigma wrote:[/b]Boris Johnsons advisers were too slow to act on this coronavirus

Well most of the country hates the Tories with Boris the clown[/color][/QUOTE]

Gerry, please read this BEFORE launching another attack.

no they were not too slow. read on.

no they don't hate the Tories - you might, but they don't "they" (Labour voters) turned their back on their party to elect Boris - that should tell you everything you need to know about Labour - and more about your hated Tories. sometimes, your imaginings are so wildly wrong you'd be astounded to hear the truth. Labour Party supporters are sick to death of a Labour Party that has abandoned grassroots members in favour of the Islington Set.
you are so ill-informed it's unbelievable. stop and check your facts before you spout your bile.

here's some absolute facts for you on the current crisis.

1. the actions of the Govt were taken at the correct time. you can't just advance straight to lockdown from day 1. scientists need to be able to use computer algorithms to predict spread and outcomes. you can't do this without some actual initial data.
2. the further spread was because of morons who ignored advice and kept on socialising - thereby forcing the Govt to introduce lockdown.
3. the briefings have been professional, efficient and informative. - only the left wing (Guardian, BBC and Channel4) have shown hostility in their Q&As
4. No one in the UK will need to be financially worse off as a result of this crisis.
> Those placed in Furlough by their employers will receive 80% of their salary paid by the Govt.
> The self-employed will be able to claim 80% of their profits (upto a max of £2500 per month) from the Govt.
> Firms have been given rates/rent breaks - as well as Corp tax breaks and business grants
> Those whose companies choose to lay them off will have quicker access to benefits - inside 10 days, with emergency payments being made the day claims are submitted.
5. organised/structured food and medical deliveries are being arranged for those in forced isolation - initially at nil cost to those isolated
6. 35,000 additional medical staff have been recruited (including 11,000 previously retired)
7. 10,000 existing medical staff in unrelated specialisms have been redeployed to emergency/intensive care
8. a 5,000 bed temporary hospital (at the Excel centre, London) has been equipped inside one week
9. Dyson to produce thousands of additional ventilators
10. test kits, masks and other vetilators are en route to the UK today - bear in mind this is global crisis so, we've done exceptionally well to secure the stuff we need - many countries are only now ordering this vital equipment.


Hundreds of Billions of £s have been found to ensure no family suffers hardship. European and Asia leaders have held up the UK's aid package (2nd best in the world) as a model for best practice.

the Daily Briefings are routinely at the same time of day - so everyone currently locked down has no excuse to not hear them...what have you been doing at 5pm every day?
you really are absolutely impossible to reason with. and, more importantly - you're alone in your reasoning on this one. this really is time to step back Gerry, admit you are wrong and dump your party politics - because it doesn't belong in this discussion - at all.

by doing what you are doing, you're manifesting your complete lack of knowledge for all to see.
finally, if you can't find anything positive to say, then this worldwide crisis does not need your bile - things need to move on. there's people dying, and you're busying yourself with name-calling. c'mon fella, can't you see EVERYONE disagrees with you.
not even your usual compadres - runner, aristide or Freddie Jupiter are jumping to your defence. that should tell you everything.
please stop this now - and (for once) pull together with the rest of us.[/QUOTE]

I agree with most of this, except "No one in the UK will need to be financially worse off as a result of this crisis".

I'll be around £650 down per month when the grant I will (hopefully) get comes into play. That won't be for another 2-3 months, and will be taxed on figures I've already paid tax for.

£650 is lot of money to be down.

In the meantime, I've been told to claim UC. I've never claimed anything like that before, and am having difficulty with the process because it's all online and the website is experiencing a heavy load just now. Even if I'm approved, I wouldn't receive a payment until the end of April, and it would be less that 50% of what I earn working.

Then it's grant time!

Some self-employed will be allowed to still work AND get that grant. The service I was providing up until last week will not be allowed until this situation ends, and that's only IF the people who were hiring can resume their businesses. If not, I'm in trouble.

Then again, atm, 80% of something is better than 100% of nothing - but I AM worse off. A LOT worse off.