Brian and Covid-19

Money actually makes people look down there nose at poor people and it segregates people in groups.
Ever heard of "snobs" well that is where that saying came from. Snobs = money.

Enigma wrote:Money actually makes people look down there nose at poor people and it segregates people in groups.
Ever heard of "snobs" well that is where that saying came from. Snobs = money.

not necessarily. be wary of generalising. "looking down your nose at someone" is not about financial wealth.

also, snobbery is one's own perceived social standing - and can often be connected with money, perceived class, social groups, intelligence - or any combination of these. snob(s) is the collective noun used to describe such people.

FYI - the origins of the word snob were not directly linked to money - it was all about having an elevated view of your own social standing.

Snob (origin)
late 18th century of unknown origin; early senses conveyed a notion of ‘lower status or rank’, later denoting a person seeking to imitate those of superior social standing or wealth.

Snobbery is certainly in the Conservative party as they look down there nose at certain parts of the country.

Officer Clawhauser, re:

>The "rich people must be happy because they're rich" fallacy

Now now, fatty. You ought to know better than that, didn't you you naughty, doughnut eating twot.

Where did anyone say that The Great Contradictor was or is "happy"? No one gives a shit whether he is or not, frankly. Other than you, of course, as a fully paid-up, t-shirt wearing, lizard-tongued seeker of the brown.

Jam or custard today?

Enigma wrote:Snobbery is certainly in the Conservative party as they look down there nose at certain parts of the country.

and you must know that is utter rubbish. why did almost all of Labour's Red Wall collapse in december? all of those constituencies that have never voted Tory did so.

Take George Osbourne's "Northern Power House" crap, he admitted when he left the government there was no such thing = snobbery.

Enigma wrote:Take George Osbourne's "Northern Power House" crap, he admitted when he left the government there was no such thing = snobbery.

you need to distinguish between labeling a whole party with the stigma of an insidious snot-nosed c*nt. Most of the true Tory party hated Cameron and Osbourne in equal measure - they were neither representative or typical.

FWIW:
most SNP hate Sturgeon, Almost all Lib Dems hated Clegg and Swinson and 80% of true Labour party voters despise Corbyn. Labour were stuck with Corbyn because the unions chose him.

I'm assuming from your tone that you hated Thatcher, couldn't stand Churchill and don't like Boris. All of these three have one thing in common - the right leader at the right time. There's an old saying:
"Great Leadership Is Not a Popularity Contest"
Facts:
Chamberlain stood aside because he couldn't cope - Churchill stood up to the plate.
Thatcher - love her or hate her, was strong during the 80s cold war tensions - could you imaging Foot or Kinnock doing so? (shudders)
Johnson - Brexit, a paralysed parliament and now a pandemic - seriosly, I'd rather him than any of those "let's have a workshop to sort this out" Labour front bench hand-wringers. they're insipid and directionless. can you imagine if this pandemic continues and an army/police controlled curfew is required? it'd never happen under Labour - they let everyone have freedom to come and go...there'd be mass looting and in six months we'd ALL be dead from lack of social distancing.

it's about doing the difficult stuff. anyone can lead a country during peacetime, with low unemployment, and a sound economy.
it's about stepping up to the plate during wars, rising unemployment, global recession, brexit and pandemics. that's when a leader's true mettle is reckoned.

Enigma wrote:

Snobbery is certainly in the Conservative party as they look down there nose at certain parts of the country.

Well this thread is about the action taken around the Covid - 19 epidemic, and all parties are currently in agreement in the UK with Boris Johnson, as he's currently following the WHO advice all the other parties would be doing the same.

Which is the same as what most other countries are doing, regardless of political systems.

emrabt wrote:Well this thread is about the action taken around the Covid - 19 epidemic, and all parties are currently in agreement in the UK with Boris Johnson, as he's currently following the WHO advice all the other parties would be doing the same.
Which is the same as what most other countries are doing, regardless of political systems.

hear hear! applauds! ^

Tories are still failing OUR NHS staff by not issuing face masks and hand wash etc...... they are a disgrace.

Enigma wrote:Tories are still failing OUR NHS staff by not issuing face masks and hand wash etc...... they are a disgrace.

stop talking rubbish. if all of the opposition parties in parliament can back the Tories over this crisis - then we all should too. the whole world is in the same boat.
the whole world is struggling to get facemasks - we have a huge delivery of these due on Monday - the same day as >3,000,000 testing kits arrive.

why don't you go check some facts:
>> like how Germany redirected a consignment of of masks (manufactured in Germany) bound for Austria back to Germany.
>> like how Emmanuel Macron hijacked consignments ordered and paid for delivery to the UK and confiscated them for use in France - until the Tory Govt you hate so much intervened and forced the French to release the consignments immediately.

or, alternatively, you could show good grace - and pull together on this and say "yep, i was wrong - the Tories are working hard to make sure we're okay"

go on, try it. we need to all pull in the same direction - none of this is about party politics - lose the bile and hate now..

Enigma wrote:

Tories are still failing OUR NHS staff by not issuing face masks and hand wash etc...... they are a disgrace.

And the Labour party, if they won the last election (Which they didn't because they were fighting among themselves instead of against the Conservatives) would be in the same situation right now, there is not enough face masks, hand wash and ventilators available. Production of these is being increased but it takes time.
The fact that the private sector and the NHS are working together and sharing Doctors, hospitals and equipment should clue you in that everyone is working together on this.

Boris Johnsons advisers were too slow to act on this coronavirus and we have become the last country in the world to act upon such an apaulling virus.
We are the last to get test kits out to the public as well.

It absolutely should have been taken seriously a lot sooner, but other countries, for examples the Netherlands had the same attitude as the UK at first, and didn't put any serious restrictions in place, they were later to act than us too.

Also the US and Australia.

Please don't spout nonsense, lots of countries acting in very similar ways.

Exactly and Brenski is defending the loony Conservatives what a dill.