Cons/Reps had their chance for a debate with a black President and instead spent 8 years demeaning him; they then chose Trump instead of a more moderate candidate. The conservative message is clear enough.
LTLSihls · Member since
Saint Jiub wrote:
The Real Wizard wrote:
Are you suggesting all conservatives are racist?
No - YOU are suggesting that all conservatives are racist (or at least anyone who voted for Trump).
All you are doing is discouraging dialogue and pushing the hate underground. Congratulations.
Please check your elitist illiberal white privilege, leave QZ, and take your illiberal hate to Twitter where you can join like-minded people who share your confirmation bias.
Commentary: When the Twitter mob takes on George Floyd, Tom Cotton and police power, we all lose
"Last week gave us more reason to believe that our president is an illiberal authoritarian, much like Vladimir Putin and the other overseas autocrats he admires.
Yet the protest movement revealed its own illiberal streak, which should also trouble anyone who is concerned about racial justice. Like every decent American, I want to live in a country where black people aren’t harassed and killed with impunity by the police. But I don’t think we can get there by social media shame campaigns, which create yet more fear and intolerance. Harsh policing of our words won’t end police violence and racism; it might even make things worse, by empowering Trump and his henchmen.
It also encourages digital sadism, disguised as social justice. Mocking miscreants on the internet becomes a way to establish your own woke status. And the highest props go to the nastiest posts.
So almost everyone on the left dutifully got in line — or at least bit their tongues — while Sen. Cotton crowed about how he had exposed the bias and cowardice of The New York Times.
By the time Editorial Page Editor James Bennet stepped down Sunday, it was hard to find anyone other than Republicans who said running the piece was a good idea. Privately, several of my liberal friends told me that they supported the decision to publish Cotton’s column because it underscored the essential depravity of the Trump-era GOP. But they would never say so in public, my friends added, because then the Twitter mob would come after them.
How can that be a good thing for the fight against injustice? For the past two weeks, we have heard frequent calls for an “honest conversation" about policing and racism in the United States. But you can’t have a real conversation when people are afraid of saying the wrong thing. That doesn’t create more fair-minded citizens; it makes cynics, who mouth the right words.
I fail to see how any of these rituals of public humiliation and retribution get us any closer to justice for George Floyd. It is pure fantasy to imagine they will make anybody more aware of racism or more inclined to challenge it. All they will do is make people afraid to talk and think.
And they echo the illiberal spirit of President Trump, who wants nothing more than to scare and divide us. He traffics in fear and shame, which are tools of domination rather than justice. They can force you to grovel, but they can’t change your heart. They might even harden it."
matt z · Member since
Reads like double speak.
But hey, whatever ya feel isn't going to change my mind that exposing hate is a good thing.
So people suddenly feel TROUBLED that their lives are disturbed by a guy recording an incident IN HIS DEFENSE (*) in order that the facts aren't skewered, is also ignoring the possibility that the man could've been arrested on ATTEMPTED ASSAULT charges or potentially accused of GROPING the woman in the park (*his challenge in court might not have even held up, despite the fact that the guy is a gay bird watcher asking the woman to leash her dog: DOGS AND CATS KILL BIRDS IN SANCTUARY TYPE ENVIRONMENTS and are not natural predators in the environment)
The woman attempted to end the man's life, whether literally or legally because she couldn't be bothered to leash her dog.
Physically = potential overresponse and cowering white woman claiming assault while a dog is barking frantically
Legally= held in jail on bond for several days depending on severity of the charge. One phone call to an attorney or family to get an attorney. An attempt at raising bond.
Not showing up to work Monday morning, Not Tuesday etc (if an assault charge).
assets liquidated. Money borrowed if possible.
Workplace checks public record: man arrested for sexual assault in a park. Black dude. This also ties him into suspicion on ANY other local charges at the park.
Guy loses job. Guys family takes loan on house. Loses house in hiring litigation. Man's defense is his word against another.
U see how this spirals a person's life out of control?
I fail to see the complaint. Publishing an article is fine. It shows someone's potentially hateful take on situations and Shows a generational dissolve.
Speaking of ruining people's life. ..i just saw this this afternoon.
Be wary if you value things like the law. Or if you enjoy comedies from the KEYSTONE era, you can pretend this is not real. Or if you're a fringe conspiracy "right wing" fella, you can say this is a crisis actor.
The link wouldn't post after the BODY of my reply.
It's a video and i don't think i can embed while on my dinosaur phone
Saint Jiub · Member since
Christian Cooper exposed the hysterical, manipulative bitch. She deserved to get fired.
However ... Christian Cooper decried the irony of the Twitter Mob issuing death threats against her:
...
"Chris Cooper was overwhelmed by the response to the video, which went viral on Twitter after his sister posted it. However, the retribution in particular was troubling for him.
"It's a little bit of a frenzy, and I am uncomfortable with that," he said in an interview with The New York Times. "If our goal is to change the underlying factors, I am not sure that this young woman having her life completely torn apart serves that goal."
In an appearance on CNN, he said he considers the woman's actions racist, but he urged people who were outraged by it to stay civil. He said death threats against her "should stop immediately."
"I find it strange that people who were upset that ... that she tried to bring death by cop down on my head, would then turn around and try to put death threats on her head. Where is the logic in that?" he said. "Where does that make any kind of sense?"
"Christian Cooper, an avid bird-watcher, says he condemns "abhorrent" death threats targeting the woman, who called the police on him during an encounter involving her unleashed dog."
The link wouldn't post after the BODY of my reply.
It's a video and i don't think i can embed while on my dinosaur phone[/QUOTE]
The following is the full video ... not a short clip:
http://twitter.com/i/status/1271852938772787200
matt z · Member since
HAD been looking for that last night. Tried my best not to stomach more of the bad today, with folks trashing the senile 45 and his self promoting diatribing, near Nazi quoting speech at resummoned West Point Cadet grad ceremony.
It's not nice to mock the infirm, unless they're an evil sack of law undermining **** who's mocked the elderly, handicapped, dead and women in general.
So. . That said. Thanks for sharing that extended. It still alarming that they'd seek out this petty method of likely claiming assault on someone. He was clearly being followed. If anything they should have ignored the guy likely walking away or maintained space.
To the effect that he's not on the south side of the street may be material or immaterial.
These days these protests are not done with submitted requests (*which is a pitiable way of ruining the efficacy of said protest when it is not such an issue...i.e. under funding libraries, payroll tax hikes or Whatever imaginable)
So technically none of the participants are in tandem with a "uniform protest" here. I still don't see how it was all warranted.
As for Christian Cooper, yeah he was quick to condemn that. As a respectable man of conscience there.
Fact is a lot of this is provoked and stoked deliberately. The rest is just a white world's resentment that "omg the blacks are upset again"
Despite this being a real multifaceted movement to regulate the unregulated (the FOP has always held rank. They have even created their own internal celebrations of ousted whistleblowers in their rank for "betrayals") it's obvious to many that there is much corruption in long established camps.
And it's true that not every cop is an arrogant above the law asshole. It's just that there's an alarmingly skewered state of happenings and enforcement that deliberately sways a certain direction.
Various fractions will attribute it solely to finances and social standing (*abuse of the poor happens everywhere! Just look at o.j., He got off! He's black so your point is bogus! )
But a realistic look will find that hell, it's still going on, and is still being fanned by b denials and misinformation and casting ridicule (fromm the "highest office") and even the pacing and timing, The selected words utilized in speeches and changes made.
Stephen Miller likely arranging policy on timing and placement of his recent talk of a rally on Juneteenth. In Tulsa OK, deliberately stoking racial agendas to his base and basest of violent supporters.
They also rejected a provision of the ACA that ensured protection and treatment of LGBTQ folks at facilities. Essentially a right to refuse treatment of US citizens on a discriminatory basis. WHEN DID THEY DO THIS?? on a convenient hate bating date, The four year anniversary of a gay Orlando nightcLub shooting that killed 49 and wounded 53.
We're living through times (*and HAVE been) since this POSUS began drawing support and admiring Putin in the press and pulling out somewhat dormant racial hatred powerful enough to disregard that the Kremlin is not our friend.
This division is not a "return to normal" but an attempt to undermine the role the people play in society now.
The US is not even a land of laws right now with essentially an AG in his pocket (Epstein -Barr isn't just a virus) and 4 Inspector General removals in 3 months. There is no review. Barr s daughter somehow heading a position to block the guys taxes, his daughter And son in law somehow getting positions without qualifications or authority getting security clearances that are ethically illegal. And we're all being royally fucked out and bare with zero fed support now and Senate majority leader Mitch pulling a 180 these past years as if he's been extorted. Meanwhile the hate and inability of the treasury to support the regular citizen ((*who pay their salaries ) any meaningful assistance when simultaneously being asked to not work is causing more insane actions. Self destruction and even a lynching in Palmdale (*there was another in January in Lancaster).
It's pretty clear where the division lies. Distort, lie, project, deny culpability and turn segments of society further against each other to avoid their own failures.
We're in a tremendous mess. I hope we all get out of this.
Dr Magus · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Dr Magus wrote:[/b]
You can keep your lefty rhetoric,
Your dismantling of our state,
It’s BLACK LIVES MATTER, not Middle England,
That’s peddling the hate.[/QUOTE]
When's the last time you walked down the street, day or night, and felt afraid because of the colour of your skin?
In what universe is Black Lives Matter more dangerous than centuries of systematic racism ?
And since when has battling racism been a "lefty" issue? Are you suggesting all conservatives are racist?
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I know this thread is about the US and I'm talking about the UK but anyway.
Racism has always been a two way street and there are plenty of towns and cities across the UK that have no-go areas for whites.
If you think the Black Lives Matter is anything less than a violent, extremist, political movement you are deluding yourself. It is run by black supremacists and supported by the far-left white middle-class fascists of Antifa. Violence and mob-rule is all they know, as we have seen.
Black Lives Matter is an incorrect title anway. Only black Lives Matter would be more apt since they are not interested in REAL equality, just special treatment for themselves.
Or how about Black Lives Matter But Only When Whitey Is Involved Because The Vast Majority Of Crimes Committed By Blacks Are On Other Blacks But We Don't Really Care About That. Down With Whitey!
Wouldn't all fit on a t-shirt though.
matt z · Member since
^ that's a lie. And would require people willing to somehow provoke police and citizens into dying and bring lynched.
I might envy your comfortable zone, but IT IS NOT REALITY.
Btw:
Anybody ELSE concerned at all that this administration has essentially sold out a dozen generations or more to debt under the banner of a covid disaster that they WILLFULLY AVOIDED CONFRONTING?
HALF A TRILLION FUCKING DOLLARS
HALF A TRILLION
does anybody think that the rest of the world will be compliant in RETURNING this money once it's exposed exactly where it's gone?
We're witnessing HAVE been witnessing the outside infiltration and overtaking of a constitutional republic.
Sure, it seldom represented people like me, but I'm skeptic and non partisan enough to realize when people have been taken in by a carny fucking hustler family.
Why is it so hard for others to see it?
Things are bad.
Very fucking bad, and they don't give a shit about you or me.
