Disappointed... again

For those of us interested in Queen(with Freddie) rather than Q+AL then the latest announcement of a Q+AL live cd/dvd is obviously a grave disappointment.

I don't see it as any kind of artistic enterprise. It's clearly a money grab because of the cash they're losing on the cancelled tour with no guarantee that it will happen next year. (Maybe a nice touch would be a slice of the royalties to all the production staff who now have huge holes in their calendars with little hope of any other production work to fill in their empty schedules.)

As someone pointed out, after the car crash that was The Cosmos Rocks it is unlikely that they will try to create a new studio album. I believe they are now creatively barren and so have two options.

Option 1 is to continue on the world karaoke circuit with their tribute act currently starring the embarrassingly naff singing goat (yes he has range but so do howler monkeys).

Option 2 is to listen to what Queen(wF) fans want and stop being so bloody precious with what's in the vaults. No ivory tower is tall enough to stop the human nature reflex of wanting to know what people are saying about you. So, judging by Roger's occasional grumpy outbursts, they either dip into the forums or are given a good briefing about what’s being said and what fans want.

However there is an Option 3 and that’s a combination of the above which some may argue is what they are doing. Option 1 has clearly been successfully implemented over the past few years and is appreciated by those who like that sort of thing. But Option 2 has been very badly handled.

My understanding is that the archivist (I’ll not snigger as I’m sure he is very good at sticking on labels, placing on shelves, entering on a spreadsheet) and some other unknowns that lurk at QPL come up with ideas and present them to Brian and Roger. And this is where it falls down.

They need a team of hardcore Queen(wF) fans that can be given access to what they have in the vaults and can then give proper advice on what would be suitable and much appreciated releases for the Queen(wF) fans. e.g. Earl’s Court even if the sound and picture aren’t perfect. A Jazz/Crazy DVD with the best they have. etc.

If Brian is such a perfectionist that, at this late stage in his and a lot of the original fans lives, he would deny them thrilling memories and new discoveries of old treasures due to his fragile ego then he is less of a man than we once thought. Don’t forget it also takes fans to make a successful band and we were on the journey too.

What we do get are morsels padded out with stuff we already have that we are expected to pay for again and again in different packaging with one or two extra tracks or ridiculous Frankenstein mixes put together in recent years.

I doubt even Jim Beach would argue that such releases wouldn’t make money. In the grand scheme of things the success of Q+AL would easily cover it and create some goodwill. QPL is as we all know an incredibly profitable company. What it would do is give something back. Give something back to those now in the shadows who, back in the day, did the heavy lifting, going to numerous shows in one tour and buying every single and every album on release day to make sure Queen hit the charts as high as possible.

Time is short Queen. Do the decent thing.

How exactly can they lose money??? All band members are friggin millionaires!!! Including Spike.

Some very good points, unfortunately I don't think they care what people have been asking for years, their main focus is selling out concerts these days and merchandise.
It's probably a strategy, ride the wave as long as possible. Off course they know what the old fans want, what amazes me is how they completely ignore it or brush it off
during interviews or requests.

Very disappointing , waste of time.

As I can remember, during Roger's solo The Lot release days, there were rumours that 14 discs was just a compromise - even the Cyberbarn gig was remastered and not included in full length. Many more, especially live material, was cut off - by produceres, label company, Jim Beach, or RT himself? Who knows. But - money rules, that is for sure.

The band got fucked after (M)Adam LAMBert joined Brian and Roger... Still can't believe they prefer touring instead of releasing/reworking demos!

Totally agree with this post. Queen are releasing this Adam/Queen package purely because they have lost millions of pounds from this years cancelled tours.
I also agree that May & Taylor don't give a stuff to the ardent fans from back in the day who supported them 100% like myself and a bunch of fans calling themselves "The Royal Family" they must be livid what has happened to Queen now.
There must be loads of treasures that May & Taylor have banned from releasing until they pass away all in the future i guess, but we the fans are getting on in age as well and may not have the chance to hear whats in the vaults.
I certainly will not be buying this pile of shite Queen & Adam Cd/Dvd and seven years on the road because it is still a massive insult to Freddie who got Queen up and running at the beginning and even some Queen fans slagged off "Live Killers" so they will be potty to praise this new release when it gets released on October 2nd. Sad day for real Queen & Freddie fans.

I’m disappointed too, that they aren’t releasing what may be in the archives or something redone from the earlier days. But it’s their stuff, they can do what they want. They don’t owe us anything. Looking at numbers, there are probably many more people that are new fans, ones that love Adam (judging by the sold out shows) and have come on board based on the BoRap movie. So they are capitalizing on the numbers, simple as that. Those of us, myself included, that like the older 70s style and Freddie’s fronting, are now in the minority and therefore aren’t at the front of the line when it comes to new releases. I don’t like it, but I get it. It’s about good business sense, and doing what makes them happy.

[QUOTE][color=SaddleBrown] [b]Benross wrote:[/b] [i]There must be loads of treasures that May & Taylor have banned from releasing until they pass away all in the future i guess, but we the fans are getting on in age as well and may not have the chance to hear whats in the vaults..[/i][/color][/QUOTE] go to Queenpedia, under the sessionography tab you'll see what there is. not much really that's usable, decent, worth the effort. most of it is ideas, rough drafts and really not of any great quality. the fact that Brian's "perfection obsession" is cited as the chief reason for preventing this stuff being issued, is also the most valid argument for withholding release. nearly all of it is sub(Queen)standard.

[QUOTE][color=SaddleBrown] [b]Benross wrote:[/b] [i]Queen are releasing this Adam/Queen package purely because they have lost millions of pounds from this years cancelled tours. I also agree that May & Taylor don't give a stuff to the ardent fans from back in the day who supported them 100% like myself and a bunch of fans calling themselves "The Royal Family" they must be livid what has happened to Queen now...Sad day for real Queen & Freddie fans.[/i][/color][/QUOTE] well - perhaps if your hero hadn't been such a promiscuous slut - shagging everything that moved, and consequently (through his own recklessness) committing sexual suicide - he'd still be alive, and [b][u]no[/b][/u] other singer would have ever taken the stage with Queen.
yes. only one person to blame for the whole Adam Lambert/Queen collaboration - and that person is [b]Freddie Mercury[/b].

How can you be disappointed with something you haven’t even heard? Nobody says you need to buy any of their releases and if this isn’t anything for you then it’s ok, you don’t buy it.
The reasoning that they want to cash in because of the missed tour is just a speculation at most, most likely they don’t need any income anymore. They are multi millionaires if not billionaires. They don’t need the money, they just do what they love and are born for: being musicians and entertainers.
Thanks to Adam Lambert, Queen is able to perform live and this release is a document of it.
When you are still relevant, which is Queen, I’d say even more than ever then you want to release your latest product and not the outtakes that a small niche of your audience is interested in.
Bands like Aerosmith with a similar career and still perform with their original line-up, don’t release anything at all. Nothing. Totally nothing.
You all here sound like small ungrateful little brats.

[QUOTE] [b]Sunshine wrote:[/b]

How can you be disappointed with something you haven’t even heard? Nobody says you need to buy any of their releases and if this isn’t anything for you then it’s ok, you don’t buy it.
The reasoning that they want to cash in because of the missed tour is just a speculation at most, most likely they don’t need any income anymore. They are multi millionaires if not billionaires. They don’t need the money, they just do what they love and are born for: being musicians and entertainers.
Thanks to Adam Lambert, Queen is able to perform live and this release is a document of it.
When you are still relevant, which is Queen, I’d say even more than ever then you want to release your latest product and not the outtakes that a small niche of your audience is interested in.
Bands like Aerosmith with a similar career and still perform with their original line-up, don’t release anything at all. Nothing. Totally nothing.
You all here sound like small ungrateful little brats. [/QUOTE]

Serious? What right do Brian May, Roger Taylor and Adam Lambert exercise in charging over 600 USD for ONE measily ticket, not even front row??? Also a Brian May and a Roger Taylor are geriatrics by now and their voices simply crack at many a note. Adam Lambert may be the glue holding this fragile trio together but not even the Stones or Celine Dion dared to ask such a ridiculous high ticket price.

[QUOTE] [b]splicksplack wrote:[/b]

For those of us interested in Queen(with Freddie) rather than Q+AL then the latest announcement of a Q+AL live cd/dvd is obviously a grave disappointment.

I don't see it as any kind of artistic enterprise. It's clearly a money grab because of the cash they're losing on the cancelled tour with no guarantee that it will happen next year. (Maybe a nice touch would be a slice of the royalties to all the production staff who now have huge holes in their calendars with little hope of any other production work to fill in their empty schedules.)

As someone pointed out, after the car crash that was The Cosmos Rocks it is unlikely that they will try to create a new studio album. I believe they are now creatively barren and so have two options.

Option 1 is to continue on the world karaoke circuit with their tribute act currently starring the embarrassingly naff singing goat (yes he has range but so do howler monkeys).

Option 2 is to listen to what Queen(wF) fans want and stop being so bloody precious with what's in the vaults. No ivory tower is tall enough to stop the human nature reflex of wanting to know what people are saying about you. So, judging by Roger's occasional grumpy outbursts, they either dip into the forums or are given a good briefing about what’s being said and what fans want.

However there is an Option 3 and that’s a combination of the above which some may argue is what they are doing. Option 1 has clearly been successfully implemented over the past few years and is appreciated by those who like that sort of thing. But Option 2 has been very badly handled.

My understanding is that the archivist (I’ll not snigger as I’m sure he is very good at sticking on labels, putting on shelves and entering on a spreadsheet) and some other unknowns that lurk at QPL come up with ideas and present them to Brian and Roger. And this is where it falls down.

They need a team of hardcore Queen(wF) fans that can be given access to what they have in the vaults and can then give proper advice on what would be suitable and much appreciated releases for the Queen(wF) fans. e.g. Earl’s Court even if the sound and picture aren’t perfect. A Jazz/Crazy DVD with the best they have. etc.

If Brian is such a perfectionist that, at this late stage in his and a lot of the original fans lives, he would deny them thrilling memories and new discoveries of old treasures due to his fragile ego then he is less of a man than we once thought. Don’t forget it also takes fans to make a successful band and we were on the journey too.

What we do get are morsels padded out with stuff we already have that we are expected to pay for again and again in different packaging with one or two extra tracks or ridiculous Frankenstein mixes put together in recent years.

I doubt even Jim Beach would argue that such releases wouldn’t make money. In the grand scheme of things the success of Q+AL would easily cover it and create some goodwill. QPL is as we all know an incredibly profitable company. What it would do is give something back. Give something back to those now in the shadows who, back in the day, did the heavy lifting, going to numerous shows in one tour and buying every single and every album on release day to make sure Queen hit the charts as high as possible.

Time is short Queen. Do the decent thing.[/QUOTE]



It's time to get used to it already for disappoints.It will be terribly disappointing if the Miracle box set is not released this year.

I hope this release is a summary of this collaboration, and by the end of this year we will hear that the project will cease to exist.

Honestly I don't think any of them care about the money. Perhaps the record company cares about the money and has asked them to release something? The widest catch is to put an album out as Q+AL because Adam's fans will buy it and many people who love Queen will buy it, although some or many of the hardcore fans here won't buy it.

I don't know what their reason is for not putting out Earl's Court or the Miracle 30th or any other project they could have put out is, but I guess we just have to live with the fact that they're not going to do it. I'm personally not offended by what they decide to release or not to release. Fans wanting something isn't a good enough reason for any band, especially one of the status and means as Queen, with or without Freddie and John, to release a product. Sure, it's NICE if they give us what we want, but they're under no obligation.

I remember in the Queen for an Hour interview Freddie said that they certainly weren't doing it for the money anymore as none of them needed any more money, and since Brian, Roger, and John's wealth has eclipsed probably what they could have dreamed of even in 1990, I really don't think money grabbing is a factor. I think putting new product out and the legacy of their current project might be a factor, and they may want to test the water to see how well this is received before they record (or don't record) anything else?

Just my two cents.

"I really don't think money grabbing is a factor" too funny, don't be so naïve