Fight for gay marriage - please sign

There is nothing in the Constitution that says gay marriage is illegal, that's why they want to amend it. Our Constitution (with a few changes over the years, such as the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments) is a great document. It's not to blame here.

And nice to see Harvey's making friends here.

:O he is??

woooow

Ah shucks Zeni, still talking about me eh.
To Mr Jingles, the reason im on a forum like this, as nothing to do, with a group that had a gay lead singer, its because of the same reason i like Elton, George Michael, Bowie Michael Stipe etc etc, because they are bloody good entertainers, nothing to do with sex, you sick twat, and because i like the mentioned singers and Freddie doesn't mean i have to like shirt lifters.

Lucy ok, first of all, I do not judge is it wright or wrong. I do not claim anything, I simply want to say that all people are the same and should have the same rights. No matter of their religion, race or sexual orientation. You say you have gay friends who also think gay marriages aren't right? Ok, fine, it is their choice. But why shouldn't gay people who do want to get married be able to do it? At least civil marriage. You know, there is this thing called TOLERANCE. The way we treat other people is the best indicator of what kind of persons we are. I also didn't say this notice board is full of homophobes, but the world in general. And unfortuntely it is true. The fact I am Queen fan doesn't have absolutely anything to do with my views about gays and gay marriages. My folks have always taught me that all human beings are the same, long before I met Queen and Freddie, and that I should respect everyones choice. So if two man want to get married, I don't see why not. So you see, I don't judge anything, I only want all people to have their right of choice and I fight for it. I can only imagine what kind of shit those people must suffer all their lives because people (not all of course) are intolerant, racists etc. I hate that. So what if there is a law?? Aren't people those who create law? And laws can change. And if I can help in any, even the smaller way, so that all people could have the same rights, I will sure as hell fight for it. I know if I were gay, I would like other people to support me, and not to judge me.

"what? are you supporting Bush?!-he`s the biggest asshole of all time!!"

Birds of a feather...

Lucy: "Then are you in favor of testing pe-wed couples for fertility? Great idea."

First, my point was: Marriage was not invented to increase the number of pregnant women, otherwise infertile people would not be allowed to marry.
Second, you don't have to test a 70 year old woman, you can be sure she's infertile. Still no-one ever thought about forbidding such people to marry. Point: Marriage does not depend on the couple's ability to make children. Not that difficult if only you ever wanted to understand me (or anyone).
Third, you didn't answer my other questions. That's a bit disappointing, but then again I didn't expect useful answers.

" If you shoot or rob some one the same thing."

No, actually it is NOT the same thing at all. By shooting or robbing someone you directly hurt that person, harm or whatever the word is. If two gay people want to marry they don't do anything wrong to anyone. And why do you babble all the time about fucking laws?? As I said, and other pople here, laws are made by humans, and humans make mistakes. Laws change all the time, if not, we would still be in caves. Someone mentioned slavery - it's a good example. Laws once allowed someone to possess another person. So you see that laws often suck. It was sick, and it didn't change untill people who were against it reacted. No hard feelings, but I think you are really narrow minded if you stick to the laws so much. Like you don't have your own brain to see that there are many mistakes in it. Or you are simply passive and don't care for people. Like: "oh, sorry, but that's the law, i can't do anything about it and i don't give a damn..."

"That is a bunch of crap. NO ONE deserves special treatment. Whites, blacks, gay or straight. I htink thats why I'm against this until something is done with it."

Wow, wait a second... You say NO ONE deserves a special treatment. ???? Let's see.. Straight people - have every right to get married and gay people - DON'T. So by the sense of clear logic I'd say straights are special treated. So how come you are against gay marriages?? It is totaly opposed to your upper statement.

"We all want equal rights. But defying laws is not the way to get them. "

I totally agree with you on this one. We don't have to defy the law, but we can sure as hell try to change it if we think it is not fair or human. The worst thing is just to sit and act like it is not our problem.

Look, I know what are you trying to say, but I'm speaking from MORAL view. I think you're the one missing my point all the time. Or just don't want to get it. If you steal a stereo, yes, you do harm someone. You harm the owner of that stereo, at least financially. Really not a good example. I really am well aware of what you're saying, and I don't agree that you or me can't do anything to change the law. For Christ's sake, laws are not unchangeouble!! The right question is DO WE WANT TO change them or not? And somehow I get the feeling you don't...

lol, you just wrote the contradictions (plural!) of the year. The best: "As I said before, I am not for it nor against it." - "I htink thats why I'm against this until something is done with it." That's already two contradicitions in one. You are against changing the law until it is changed... lol. Oxymoron, wow great rhetoric. :)
Just swallow your proudness and admit it, instead of changing the topic and babbling about maturity. Your pigheadedness is the only problem, so you're right, there's no use in arguing any longer.

"And I hate arguing, so lets call this one good, I respect you and your opinions on this, and happy that you have a stand for what you believe in. :)"

I hate arguing too, but when it comes to questions like this I could just... Nevermind. I respect other people's opinion, and yours of course. That doesn't mean I agree with it, but hey, you have every right on your opinion, and that's what I fight for. So, a good idea, to call it good:)) I've anyway said everything I wanted to say, peace!!

I would like to point out that until the 1940s, interracial marriage was illegal in 44 states, and it wasn't until the late-1960s that the Supreme Court struck down those laws in every remaining state (mostly in the South).

To hide behind the legal aspect ignores the moral aspect of the question.

my tongue is bleeding from biting it so damn hard.........

I'm American and I wouldn't sign it for $12,345,678,954,756,725,986,987,395,870,573,985,694,874,985,683,197,564,196,752,813,764,178,965,871,647,823,647,812,641,927,864,176,410,283,641,892,764,128,936,482,976,492,378,164,981,723,649,817,264,897,126,487,164,981,648,736,487,640,189,640,575,716,464,978,478,931,278,032,171,234,325,909,879,000,000.95