When Freddie Mercury Met Kenny Everett...

Krizzy, yes he was both in denial and on high.. David Evans recalls it clearly in the 3 part of the document..
When Evans asked if Freddie had already changed his behavior.. he just cynically replied, he was going to do it with anyone and everyone..

I watched it on Mercury Paradise and thought that it was very good. Very credible. I think it's a very good idea of when and from whom Freddie contracted HIV.

Is there any way I can purchase a copy of this documentary which I assume was played in the UK?? I live in the United States. Thanks.
Indigo Bunting

indigo bunting: Ask Rein politely, to put it back onto his Queen site! its well worth a watch!

It's a well known fact that many years can pass between a person contracting the virus and showing the first AIDS symptoms. There is not the slightest proof that Freddie or anyone else was infected by a specific person. The "When Freddie Met Kenny" feature is not a serious documentary, it's a kiss-and-tell story mostly based on gossip and speculation. For example, Kenny's ex-wife never claimed that Freddie told her any details from his sex life, she just assumed. However, it's really pointless to speculate about the "who gave whom the virus" and above all, it's degrading for the dead victims of the disease. After all, there is no scientific benefit for the fight against AIDS if anyone found out who passed the virus to Freddie Mercury.

I wonder if anyone can imagine what it meant for a gay man in the 80s to be HIV positive. He did not only face an inevitable cruel death, he also faced prejudice, discrimination and social isolation. He had every right to deal with the situation in a way that was bearable for him- even if he was a famous Rock star. On the other hand, nobody has the right to judge him for his decisions, they were private and none of our business. We all know that Freddie did everything to keep the illness private and this should be respected.

The way some people here lay the blame on a dead person ("denial", "drug abuse", "reckless behaviour") reminds me of the homophobic atmosphere in the Reagan era. Freddie did not die from drug abuse or from gay sexual practices, he died from a virus which happens to be transmitted through sexual practices among other things. AIDS is a terrible tragedy and it's not the fault of the victims.

YV, Where do you see any deprivation and disgrace of Freddie or his life?.. The point of this thread was not to condemn him.. but to put an end to those eternal gossips for who most LIKELY and how passed it on to him.

And yes, If I or we feel he was then being reckless despite the imminent life threat lurking around the corner.. Dead or not.. we do have the right to critisize the person's choises.. Because if someone does, behaves seemingly someways we normally find showing irrational and obvious denial to things those might lead to something fatal .. wouldnt it be abnormal if it wouldnt raise any questions for the motives and alike..?

Besides.. according to Krizzys words.. he knows someone who knew that "fab four" pretty well.. to be able to speak for the statements in the document.

To me being a gay or hetero sexual man in new york in the eighties doesnt really matter in any negative way.. since we all should accept all forms of sexuality.. but on the other hand we can ask is life worthwhile or not? is someone's life worth more than someone elses in a way of such legacy of music and permanent influence into lives of billions in the years to come. Actually the critisism pumps up from the collective consciousness.. It's a primitive reaction to feel the way we in our part do.. to protect something that we feel means so much more than the average every day life(of someone) by critisizing it.

So from my behalf, this nothing but dealing with the issues, not the actual persons. Nothing personal, nothing emotional here.. seems like you're the emotional and hypocrite one here.

He was man of importance, but to me after everything summed up, not a god stature. (have mercy on me for saying this) I give him all the credits for what he did for mankind in the way of music and personality kind..

And I will still be listening the music and share the emotions all the way.. Since there just aint nothing more genuine and original and soul than It was both by Queen and FM.

"The "When Freddie Met Kenny" feature is not a serious documentary, it's a kiss-and-tell story mostly based on gossip and speculation."

- I agree with YV. I wanted to say what YV has just said in this quote, but couldn't think of the right way to say it.

To call it a "kiss and tell" is a horrible thing to say. Why? Because they were famous? What about all the focus on other peoples lives where similar stories are told? Might as well call them all the same thing.

I've always held the opinion that it was a good thing that channel 4 decided to look at different aspects of things around Queen (The Queen Night). No-one wants to receive the saturated "They were great!" story ALL the time. I thank god someone decided to look at things in a different way. And what better a place than outside of the band, to some extent. And focused on Freddie and his relationship with another well loved entertainer. Another charismatic fellow.

Peace,
Adam.

very good posting, YourValentine

:)

"So from my behalf, this nothing but dealing with the issues, not the actual persons. Nothing personal, nothing emotional here."

That's a joke,isn't it? Your posts are exclusively about personal issues.

"And yes, If I or we feel he was then being reckless despite the imminent life threat lurking around the corner.. Dead or not.. we do have the right to critisize the person's choises.. Because if someone does, behaves seemingly someways we normally find showing irrational and obvious denial to things those might lead to something fatal .. wouldnt it be abnormal if it wouldnt raise any questions for the motives and alike..?"

Apart from your weird usage of the words "normal" and "abnormal" - no I don't think I have the right to criticise other peoples's choices. It's only a short step from claiming such a right to calling for laws to make people do what the majority seems fit. A personal choice is nobody else's business.

You think you have to find out when and how FM contracted the HIV. Guess what - you never will. It's well possible that he contracted the virus as early as the late 70s and passed it on to dozens of other equally unsuspecting people in the following years. That's a tragedy but it happened to millions of people and it's still happening. Perhaps you never saw somebody die from AIDS related diseases or else you would respect the privacy of a person who had to go through this.

You call me a hypocrite and I don't know what this is based on- I have never changed my point of view about this issue. However, I feel the deepest contempt for people like you who pry into the life of others like vultures and don't feel the slightest shame to speculate in public about the sex life and illness of a dead person they never met in their lives. You have every right to post your awful opinions here but I find these opinions extremely digusting.

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]YourValentine wrote: [/QUOTENAME]"So from my behalf, this nothing but dealing with the issues, not the actual persons. Nothing personal, nothing emotional here."

"That's a joke,isn't it? Your posts are
exclusively about personal issues."

Im afraid it's not.. even as personal it may sound.. Im still seeing it from third-person perspective.. Im talking about one person without personal feelings.. without talking of FM's sexual life.. Im not dwelling into details here, am I?.. since there's no way I could know any such things.. nor would I have any interest nor like you said, theyre now-ones business, so lets respect them.

"And yes, If I or we feel he was then being reckless despite the imminent life threat lurking around the corner.. Dead or not.. we do have the right to critisize the person's choises.. Because if someone does, behaves seemingly someways we normally find showing irrational and obvious denial to things those might lead to something fatal .. wouldnt it be abnormal if it wouldnt raise any questions for the motives and alike..?"

"Apart from your weird usage of the
words "normal" and "abnormal" - no I don't
think I have the right to criticise other
peoples's choices. It's only a short step from
claiming such a right to calling for laws to
make people do what the majority seems fit. A
personal choice is nobody else's business."

Ok, that is how you see your rights.
The one and only thing here being critisised is why and how didnt he take seriously the warnings before his very eyes when his friends were dying.
Not the reason why he did what he did afterwards.

"You think you have to find out when and how FM
contracted the HIV. Guess what - you never
will. It's well possible that he contracted the
virus as early as the late 70s and passed it on
to dozens of other equally unsuspecting people
in the following years. That's a tragedy but it
happened to millions of people and it's still
happening. Perhaps you never saw somebody die
from AIDS related diseases or else you would
respect the privacy of a person who had to go
through this."

I dont think I purposely have to find anything..
I just happened to watch the document.. and it aroused some thoughts just like I said in the opening post.. and thats a discussion there's been for ages.. be it how private and posthumous.. its been in public and it will be forever unless the truth is brought out as mental it sounds.. just like there will be eternal gossips about how Elvis died, how Kurt Cobain died.. etc. you know it so well.. so thats whatfor I called you hypocrate.

But if I were to find it out.. wouldnt it be a big favor for the constant debate how and when it happened.. to finally have the dot for i ?

"You call me a hypocrite and I don't know what
this is based on- I have never changed my point
of view about this issue. However, I feel the
deepest contempt for people like you who pry
into the life of others like vultures and don't
feel the slightest shame to speculate in public
about the sex life and illness of a dead person
they never met in their lives. You have every
right to post your awful opinions here but I
find these opinions extremely digusting."

You can call me a shameless vulture or whatever..
Im not doing what Im doing to shock anyone.. but because what my collective consciousness urges me to do.

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There really is a lot of time being wasted to try and figure out who Freddie got HIV from.

Just like YV said, we'll never know who passed it on to Freddie. Most importantly, is it our business who he got it from just bc he was a famous rock star? Just bc Freddie was/is famous, does that give the world the right to know every sexual partner he had to see who he "might" have contracted the virus from? If we did find out who he got it from, then what? What would we do? Hunt that person down and beat him up? Would we find that person's house and write nasty comments on their door?

Finding out who gave Freddie the HIV virus wouldn't make me feel any better about losing him. What would make me feel better is if a cure was found and no more people had to die from it.

No no no and once more no.. You've missed the whole point.. please read what I have said..

Freddie is dead but not gone.. never will be. but I think in the end its better to find one trustworthy reason to end it all those gossips.. instead of thousand that lacks any credibility.

In a way I believe the document was even made with that purpose in mind.. to end it once "the public would have some liable story to hang on".

To UV.. Just think of those people who participated in the making of that document.. into what a disgrace and deprivation they are committing there? and for god's sake.. they were the closest to Freddie and Kenny.. How could have Mary, David Evans and Lee Everett ever done such a scam!?..

Yes think about that..

ok Sicmot, I did read what you said and I wasn't necessarily pointing any fingers at you. I just wanted to comment on the topic of trying to find out who gave Freddie HIV and any rumors surrounding that.

I personally just think its a waste of time to try and figure out who gave it to him or to try and put an end to any rumors surrounding Freddie's contraction of the virus. I respect your right to try and do that though but I kind of think you won't be able to. I'm not saying you shouldn't try though, bc that is your right I suppose.

Good luck dear.

Having not seen the documentary, I think that the that overall, based on what I've read here, the documentary was worthwhile.

However, I think that the speculation of from whom Freddie got the virus is worthless. As YV indicated, Freddie could have contracted the virus in the 70's. If Freddie and Kenny caught the virus in '85, they would both likely still be alive today - Just like Jim Hutton.

Sicmot - please stop taking the criticism personally. YV levelled strong criticism, but she did not attack you in my view, but rather "attacked" the documentary.