When Freddie Mercury Met Kenny Everett...

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Bullwinkle wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Having not seen the documentary, I think that the that overall, based on what I've read here, the documentary was worthwhile.

However, I think that the speculation of from whom Freddie got the virus is worthless. As YV indicated, Freddie could have contracted the virus in the 70's. If Freddie and Kenny caught the virus in '85, they would both likely still be alive today - Just like Jim Hutton.

Sicmot - please stop taking the criticism personally. YV levelled strong criticism, but she did not attack you in my view, but rather "attacked" the documentary. [/QUOTE]

But that's exactly what she? did.. made it personally attacking me not a word about the document.. But Im not offended anyway.. since I can defend any point I make till the bitter end :)

Your valentine --

Honey no one is blaming victims of AIDS here...NEVER! I have seen too many of my best friends die and would cut off my right arm before I blame any victims. I was just telling Mr. Sicmot here what I knew for facts regarding this through my own friend who knew FM personally. That is the lot of it.

AIDS is unfortunately still here (and growing!) and so is drug abuse. So please think before you answer...

Kriz

I myself was really touched by this documentary. Of course I don't know if everything is true, that's been told in that story. It sure is a sad story. I find it interesting to hear how the two lives of Freddie and Kenny look the same in a way. It tells a story of how it could have been. I don't take everything for granted. What I don't like in this docu is the footage of Freddie taking a bath. (How silly this may sound - considering the subject of this docu). Those images should have kept out of it I guess. Freddie would not have shown those images to us, is what I think. Of course his sexlife is private too. I fully respect Freddie's choice to keep his illness private.

at this moment the complete documentary is online on my site. For a short while.

You are absolutely right, Rien, these images are intrusive and should not have been shown. But then, the "documentary" aims at sensationalism. This also shows in the "re-enactment scenes" of drug taking look-a-likes in clubs to "illustrate" the story.

There are also a lot of inaccuracies (for example an alleged HIV test in 1984) and for my liking the feature focusses too much on Lee Everett's theory that her ex husband (not Freddie) was infected by this "sex maniac". At one point she even says she would not have let her dog stand still near this man because she would not have been be sure what might have happened. I call such programmes kiss-and-tell, maybe that's not the correct word but you know what I mean.

Krizzy, I did not even realize that it was you who mentioned denial but this is what else you wrote:

"In those years it was very frightening because alot of gay men who had been exposed to the virus never even knew they passed it to their lovers. FM was unfortunately one of those who was in denial or too high on drugs to care (which IMHO is even a sadder situation)."

Too high on drugs to care? This is not judging? I wonder what it sounds like when you actually start judging. I usually think (and read) before posting, thanks for the advice anyway - honey.

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]YourValentine wrote: [/QUOTENAME]You are absolutely right, Rien, these images are intrusive and should not have been shown. But then, the "documentary" aims at sensationalism. This also shows in the "re-enactment scenes" of drug taking look-a-likes in clubs to "illustrate" the story.

There are also a lot of inaccuracies (for example an alleged HIV test in 1984) and for my liking the feature focusses too much on Lee Everett's theory that her ex husband (not Freddie) was infected by this "sex maniac". At one point she even says she would not have let her dog stand still near this man because she would not have been be sure what might have happened. I call such programmes kiss-and-tell, maybe that's not the correct word but you know what I mean.

Krizzy, I did not even realize that it was you who mentioned denial but this is what else you wrote:

"In those years it was very frightening because alot of gay men who had been exposed to the virus never even knew they passed it to their lovers. FM was unfortunately one of those who was in denial or too high on drugs to care (which IMHO is even a sadder situation)."

Too high on drugs to care? This is not judging? I wonder what it sounds like when you actually start judging. I usually think (and read) before posting, thanks for the advice anyway - honey.

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Sorry for my intervention again.. But It's not judging.. judging is a straight accusation..

What Krizzy is doing there is assuming.. speculating.. even it sounds like there is two option which one or another has to have happened... He never said that FM really got it that way, did he?.. onlything he says is the same I did.. that FM didnt care of the warnings..

What makes you YV an expert here to judge what others thinks about it.. It seems youre basicly in denial about anything that might offend your pure and golden stainless illusion of Freddie.

U think you know it better than those people who were there with him.. ? Those illustrated parts might be sensational seeking.. but on the other hand.. like Krizzy said.. they helps the watcher to immerse into the world they were living in.. to feel the atmosphere there was as autenthicly as possible.

How do you know did he underwent the alleged hiv test in 84 or not?.. did Freddie or Perhaps The doctor in responsibility tell you that?.. or perhaps you read it from a news paper like The sun?

Oh for the love of God, who cares already? All that should matter is that we celebrate the man that was Freddie Mercury and remember him for his endless talent and voice. Sure, it's fun to know some details of his personal life but must we pry so far as to argue over when he had an HIV test? In all honesty... who cares?

Just putting my two cents in, that's all.

Yes.. no more arguing.. Im not arguing here.. are you? :)

I will probably try to download it tonight.

Am I a ghoul or a vulture? Perhaps, but I prefer the term historian.

I want to get an idea of when Freddie suspected he could have the virus. I would like know if Freddie was tested in 1984 (although I assume he was not). Did Freddie really find out he was HIV positive after the Magic Tour? Did Freddie know he was HIV positive before the Magic Tour?

I don't care who he got the virus from or when he got it nor about the position he was in when he got it.

I doubt being high on drugs had much to do with Freddie's sexual behavior.

I do think denial was an issue with Freddie. Doesn't everyone have some sort of denial issues at some time or another?

Thanks so much, Rien, for the video on Freddie meeting Kenny Everett!!
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Thanks Rien.

I thought it was arrogant and too convenient to pin all the blame on the Russian, Nickoli.

"at this moment the complete documentary is online on my site. For a short while."

A very short while, Damn ! (I couldn't see anything)

Anyway thanks a lot Rien

ok then... they're back online. Just for a short time again. (soon I have to close the download section again due to heavy download).
Please mail me when you've got them.

OMG who blamed anyone...geez it's getting like the former Soviet Union on this board. Arrogant! Moi! I think not...just have an opinion like everyone else. No-one can say for sure where FM got AIDS the fact remains that the virus took away from this Earth one of its greatest entertainers who ever walk the planet...you have to agree with that.

I quite enjoyed this documentary, thanks to Rien for providing it. I don't take anything like this to be absolute fact, but it's entertaining and the only place I've learned anything about Kenny.