You don't fool me origin

Hi!

I was just wondering if any of you knew the origin of this MIH song.

I think I've heard some time ago that it was originally recorded during the hot space sessions; but I don't believe it's truth, It doesn't share exactly the same style of body language, staying power, dancer, and so.

Of course, it could have been much like them before re working on it, but I doubt....

That's all, thanks.

**Wed 21 Jul 04**
YOU DON'T FOOL ME

[Ed: In response to 'Was You Don't Foool Me' written in the late 80's or during the Hot Space sessions...]

As I remember, the bare bones of this song [You Don't Fool Me] (and they were VERY bare!) were put down in the last sessions we did with Freddie in Montreux. When it came to piecing together "Made in Heaven", the album, David Richards was keen to make the fragments into a finished song. I wasn't sure there was enough to work on! He got a long way with weaving textures around the vocal sections we had, stretching things out a little. I think both Roger, and John who had had a lot to do with those original fragments in the beginning, went in and added some ideas. There came a point where finally I got enthusistic, and I spent a day or so, with Dave, putting down a lot of different riffy ideas that came to me while listening to the rough so far. Dave then moved a lot of things around, and worked his magic (mixing is his speciality - he 'rescued' a lot of stuff in the past, including Duran Duran tracks, for instance) - and then we all sat around and said, "Didn't we just play that perfectly!" ha ha! Well, that's probably an over-simplification.... but ... there you have it!

I really like the track now - but not as much as I LOVE the title track, MADE IN HEAVEN, which I think is possibly the best sounding Queen track ever, and MOTHER LOVE, which is to me the most significant collaboration I ever had with Freddie ..... alongside the one afternon I spent with him on an embryonic verse of "The Show Must Go On". I think I wrote about these things earlier .... But I digress... right ? !

Cheers
Bri

(From Brian's soapbox)

So, to sum up, Fred`s piano and vocal parts were recorded in this order:

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March 1980 at Munich:

It`s A Beautiful Day

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August (more or less) 1983 at LA

Let Me Live

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May 25th 1984 at Munich

I Was Born To Love You

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May 31st 1984 at Munich

Made In Heaven

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1986/1987 at Montreux

Heaven For Everyone

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1987/1988 at Montreux and/or London

My Life Has Been Saved

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1991 at Montreux

You Don`t Fool Me
A Winter`s Tale
Mother Love

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My big doubt is Too Much Love. I haven`t seen any confirmation that it was for The Miracle album. It could easily before (Magic or even Works) or some months later - Innuendo -... don`t think Hot Space. Anyway, all we know is that Dave said it was recorded before Digital recording machines were around. So it`s possibly an early recording (84/85). Moreover, Brian said he first sketched the song in LA, which would relate to Works/Starfleet sessions in 1983, but I guess he could travel later, so it`s not so definitive.

The TMLWKY-demo apparently comes from the some batch of demos that surfaced from the Miracle Sessions. And it makes sense: Freddie's voice on this track sounds very much like 1987-1991.
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that the May/Musker/Lamers-sessions took place in 1988 or maybe 1987. It also can't have been written much earlier, because TMLWKY mirrors Brian's personal situation of those days (Anita Dobson and his faltering marriage).
Brian spent a lot of time in L.A., especially in the late 80s (he had a dwelling there, I think).
It's not restricted to 1983.

By the way, I wonder why you state on your website that the piano on this song was programmed rather than played. How come ? I'm pretty sure it was played.

It was actually 50-50. I mean, he corrected mistakes in the midi, which originally came from a live performance.

That doesn`t go for the BTTL version, in which he did play the whole thing live

Well that's more like 90-10, isn't it ?
Seriously, thanks for sharing this fact. Where do you know that from ?

"Too Much Love" was created between 1986 - 1989 between the "A Kind Of Magic" and "The Miracle" LP's.

I know this because...

It was written "Post-Magic" sessions. The magic sessions were pretty much complete, and "Too Much Love" was not a Queen track, but a May/Musker/Lamers collaboration.

Many of us own the Promo "Miracle" teaser tape; Miracle (Different Lyrics/Instruments), Invisible Man (Different Lyrics/Instruments), I Want It All (Incomplete Lyrics), Scandal, Too Much Love Will Kill You (Freddie vocal) - all edited Versions Taken From The Forthcoming Miracle Album.

This certainly shows that "Too Much Love" WAS completed with a Freddie vocal "PRE-Miracle" release.

The original "Too Much Love" Demo was cut in New York - c1987 and consists of the following tracks;

Intro Demo 3:08
First Piano Demo 2:55
Every Time Demo 1:38
Ending Demo “21
Second Verse Demo 1:04
“Shit!” Demo 3:11
Acoustic Guitar Demo 2:35
Home Keyboard Instrumental 4:32
First Vocal Demo 4:48
Home Duet Demo 4:47

Now, I am too lazy at present, but if anyone is willing to do a little research, "Too Much Love" was originally written c1987, in New York City, between 1986 - 1989 (I would guess post Barcelona) - so when was Brian in the states during this period?

John, I sent you an email a few months ago, but you never responded.

I find this information of yours absolutely fascinating; is there anything else you could tell us, maybe about The Game / Hot Space sessions?

Thank you very much for clearing this up, John.
I'm still a bit confused though. Is this NYC demo-tape from 1987 a demo that Brian did with Musker and Lamers whilst writing the song or is this a demo recorded with Queen/Freddie later on ?
And what about the Bell Boy-tape ? Is this something different again or does it contain material from the NYC-sessions ?

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Philipp Nothaft wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Is this NYC demo-tape from 1987 a demo that Brian did with Musker and Lamers whilst writing the song or is this a demo recorded with Queen/Freddie later on ?
And what about the Bell Boy-tape ? Is this something different again or does it contain material from the NYC-sessions ?[/QUOTE]

First: The NYC demo and the Bell Boy tape are the same thing. Part of this "Bell boy tape" was "stolen" (ie recorded) between the time I bought it, and received it - and has been circulated ever since. The other bits I'm afraid - remain unreleased.

Second: it is not a real demo tape as such, but a home recording session recorded on a standard cassette tape featuring Brian with Musker and Lamers whilst writing the song.

Therefore, I can deduce that both the "proper" studio and Freddie sessions came later.

Considering Freddie's workload at this time ("Mr Bad Guy", "Time" and "Barcelona"), I would have to strongly suggest that the Freddie version at least, would be post Barcelona.

Again, looking at when Freddie and Brian were able to work together - I think this too suggests late '87 - early '88.

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sebastian wrote: [/QUOTENAME]August (more or less) 1983 at LA

Let Me Live
[/QUOTE]Are you speaking of the original demo or what came to be on "Made In Heaven"? Because, To me, Freddie sounds different on that than he did in the 80's.

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sebastian wrote: [/QUOTENAME]May 25th 1984 at Munich

I Was Born To Love You
[/QUOTE]Wow! My first birthday! What a great present! ;)

According to what Brian said, the first sketches of Too Much Love were done in LA, not New York.

Tell me Seb: What exactly is a "sketch"?

Also: If Brian was on a US tour at the time, is it not possible that "Too Much Love" was "created" between NY and LA - and even both?

For example: I know that Jimmy Page claimed to write whilst on tour, and that Noddy Holder wrote on airplanes - so pinning a "magical" moment to
"Over the Windy City" may both be correct on one hand - and incorrect on the other.

From my understanding, "The Bell Boy tape" came from NY - but technically you could be correct, it may have began life (or was even recorded) in LA, but this is conjecture.

But what I do know with certainty is: if the tape itself was completed by the time Brian was in NY, then logically, I can place the studio (and Freddie session) with some degree of accuracy BETWEEN the NY tape and "The Miracle" LP, which after all was the main point of the discussion.

In the case he did some recording in NY later, those would be the second sketches, not the first anyway:)

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Lester Burnham wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I find this information of yours absolutely fascinating; is there anything else you could tell us, maybe about The Game / Hot Space sessions?[/QUOTE]

Thanks Lester, but the problem is my life is too short to become involved in point-scoring, and wall-pissing competitions, and the sad fact is that I can never win.

For example, I have already in previous threads written a little about "The Game", "The Works", "A Kind Of Magic" and "You Don't Fool Me",
and in each occassion I have had to "fight" to demonstrate the things I said were "broadly" correct. (See above example).

In some cases this has been my own fault. As an academic, I am sure you understand that rather than bore with detailed minutia, to simplify things I have glossed over some details and talked in "broad-brush strokes" about others - but this brings howls of "wrong/inacurate and you are a fraud/cheat/blaggard" or whatever.

Then, if I say, I know about this because "I have the acetate" - I am accused of both upsetting the board by showing off - and in turn become a braggard.

Finally; much of what I write in Queenzone is stolen and appears on other web pages without as much as a "thank-you", then, when I point out a minor correction - the substitute site - is held up as the authority. (The Bell Boy tape is a good example - as I think someone once wrote to tell me that my track listing was inaccurate!).

So there you have it, in sum: I am "damned if I do, and damned if I don't". I am not a gun-slinger, and I do not enjoy "personal pops" - as they do "get" to me.

It is a shame - but that's life I suppose!