Brian didn't mention anything about trying to buy the concert rights back so I'm assuming he didn't try. Given the moaning that he did, it's probably safe to assume that if the company had refused him, he would've complained about that too. However, even if that isn't the case, if the company that owns the rights didn't want to sell them, then that is entirely their business. They paid for the product and it's only fair (and entirely legal) that they should profit from them as they see fit. It's not as if they edited or in any way ruined the concert. If that was the case, I would probably side with Brian. In fact, however, ALL the reviews I've read say they did a good job. Bottom line - once Queen sold the rights, they have no cause to complain about what is done with them in the future. This is basic stuff Adam.
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Yes - Dark set himself up ... But did Brian act wisely in hammering Dark?
Are we forgetting that Brian then apologized to him a couple days later? Or is Brian supposed to be infallible, and cannot make mistakes in his celebrity status?
Holly2003: "Brian didn't mention anything about trying to buy the concert rights back so I'm assuming he didn't try... if the company that owns the rights didn't want to sell them, then that is entirely their business. They paid for the product and it's only fair (and entirely legal) that they should profit from them as they see fit. It's not as if they edited or in any way ruined the concert"
Forgive me if I am wrong Holly, but I believe the reason Brian is unhappy with the "We Will Rock You" DVD is not so much the sound mix as such, but the fact that he had no post-production control. (In otherwords, he could not go back into the studio and overdub his mistakes).
Let me explain; the process of writing an album from scratch to production is a long one. But, to overdub a live session could take a single afternoon. (It's a bit like a "Harry Potter" novel. It may take a year to write - but the proof-reader may correct the mistakes in a day or two).
Therefore recent live Queen DVD releases - Wembley, 46664, Queen at the Palace, Freddie Tribute - and bet your ass Milton Keynes also - have all been subject to the "remastering/editing/overdub treatment.
Now I know the arguments for and against - so I am not going to re-open that can of worms - but needless to say (and this is a personal slice of philosophy) I prefer the raw unedited versions.
That is why I enjoy the "We Will Rock You" DVD. It is also the reason I prefer my videoed from broadcast 46664 and Freddie Tribute tapes.
In otherwords - thank god for Brian NOT having artistic control!
(But I bet that's seen as Brian bashing also ;-)
Forgive me if I am wrong Holly, but I believe the reason Brian is unhappy with the "We Will Rock You" DVD is not so much the sound mix as such, but the fact that he had no post-production control. (In otherwords, he could not go back into the studio and overdub his mistakes).
Let me explain; the process of writing an album from scratch to production is a long one. But, to overdub a live session could take a single afternoon. (It's a bit like a "Harry Potter" novel. It may take a year to write - but the proof-reader may correct the mistakes in a day or two).
Therefore recent live Queen DVD releases - Wembley, 46664, Queen at the Palace, Freddie Tribute - and bet your ass Milton Keynes also - have all been subject to the "remastering/editing/overdub treatment.
Now I know the arguments for and against - so I am not going to re-open that can of worms - but needless to say (and this is a personal slice of philosophy) I prefer the raw unedited versions.
That is why I enjoy the "We Will Rock You" DVD. It is also the reason I prefer my videoed from broadcast 46664 and Freddie Tribute tapes.
In otherwords - thank god for Brian NOT having artistic control!
(But I bet that's seen as Brian bashing also ;-)
"Therefore recent live Queen DVD releases - Wembley, 46664, Queen at the Palace, Freddie Tribute - and bet your ass Milton Keynes also - have all been subject to the "remastering/editing/overdub treatment."
Are you saying that Brian and Roger have re-recorded parts of Milton Keynes recently for the DVD? Or did they do overdubs in 1982 for the Channel 4 broadcast ?
Are you saying that Brian and Roger have re-recorded parts of Milton Keynes recently for the DVD? Or did they do overdubs in 1982 for the Channel 4 broadcast ?
The WWRY DVD makes a GREAT cd to listen to in the car! The raw power is amazing.....
He's guessing Pim. Somebody will have to compare an audience bootleg with the DVD when it comes out to know.
The trouble with the WWRY DVD is that a lot of the crowd audience noise is fake, and the audio can sometimes be from a different night to the visuals. I find that highly annoying because it's quite obvious. They should have just stuck to one concert!
The trouble with the WWRY DVD is that a lot of the crowd audience noise is fake, and the audio can sometimes be from a different night to the visuals. I find that highly annoying because it's quite obvious. They should have just stuck to one concert!
I agree Darren - you are quite correct - but could you imagine "We Will Rock You" with FURTHER overdubs?
Could you post the page where these new overdub sessions for WWRY are mentioned, John? Never heard of it before.
Peace,
Adam.
Peace,
Adam.
See Darren's reply above Adam: "The trouble with the WWRY DVD is that a lot of the crowd audience noise is fake, and the audio can sometimes be from a different night to the visuals. I find that highly annoying because it's quite obvious. They should have just stuck to one concert!"
I did not say they were "new" - but that is one of the reasons why Brian cites "artistic control", as his dislikes, because it basically means that he can't return to re-work on it - because it is no longer his property to do so.
As I have said, if he wants to do that, then it is his perogative to do so - but I think it's "not natural". (Mind you, I think George Lucas should have also left "Star Wars alone" too!).
What is your view on "live" concerts Adam? Overdub - or au natural? I can see the reasoning for overdubs - but each to his own.
I did not say they were "new" - but that is one of the reasons why Brian cites "artistic control", as his dislikes, because it basically means that he can't return to re-work on it - because it is no longer his property to do so.
As I have said, if he wants to do that, then it is his perogative to do so - but I think it's "not natural". (Mind you, I think George Lucas should have also left "Star Wars alone" too!).
What is your view on "live" concerts Adam? Overdub - or au natural? I can see the reasoning for overdubs - but each to his own.
"but the fact that he had no post-production control. (In otherwords, he could not go back into the studio and overdub his mistakes"
That's why I thought you meant new overdubs.
I have no preference when it comes to concerts cause I like hearing both kinds. One is raw and that's always cool. And then there's the overdubbed and carefully remixed version - I like that also. I can't choose between them because they can be so different. Always interesting.
Peace,
Adam.
P.S. I whole-heartedly agree on Star Wars:SE. The real problem is that George won't let us buy the originals anymore! If he put both versions on sale, he'd get more cash!! I believe that someone brought up the idea of making a branching dvd that would allow you to mix and match the SE and original stuff together! Which would be most welcome!!
Oh and I hear that he's messed with THX1138 and the reviews I've been reading have not been good. Hmm...
That's why I thought you meant new overdubs.
I have no preference when it comes to concerts cause I like hearing both kinds. One is raw and that's always cool. And then there's the overdubbed and carefully remixed version - I like that also. I can't choose between them because they can be so different. Always interesting.
Peace,
Adam.
P.S. I whole-heartedly agree on Star Wars:SE. The real problem is that George won't let us buy the originals anymore! If he put both versions on sale, he'd get more cash!! I believe that someone brought up the idea of making a branching dvd that would allow you to mix and match the SE and original stuff together! Which would be most welcome!!
Oh and I hear that he's messed with THX1138 and the reviews I've been reading have not been good. Hmm...
Brian didn't mention anything about trying to buy the concert rights back so I'm assuming he didn't try. Given the moaning that he did, it's probably safe to assume that if the company had refused him, he would've complained about that too. However, even if that isn't the case, if the company that owns the rights didn't want to sell them, then that is entirely their business. They paid for the product and it's only fair (and entirely legal) that they should profit from them as they see fit. It's not as if they edited or in any way ruined the concert. If that was the case, I would probably side with Brian. In fact, however, ALL the reviews I've read say they did a good job. Bottom line - once Queen sold the rights, they have no cause to complain about what is done with them in the future. This is basic stuff Adam.
As I said before, are we sure they did "sell the rights" Maybe they just agreed that the local film company could film and Queen Productions wouldn't own the film. As you didn't reply before with proof either way on how the deal was done, I guess you don't know, so are making assumptions based on your perception that Brian is "complaining".
In otherwords - thank god for Brian NOT having artistic control!
(But I bet that's seen as Brian bashing also ;-)
John, I agree on the overdubs - we don't they leave it alone? Part of the magic of a performance is everything - the warts and all. I don't mind them picking the best bits from a number of concerts, but to overdub, I'd rather they didn't!
"As I said before, are we sure they did "sell the rights" Maybe they just agreed that the local film company could film and Queen Productions wouldn't own the film."
So if they don't own it, how is that different to what I said? If they made a "deal" like this, they still obviously signed away their rights to the show. Otherwise Brian would not have any cause for complaint would he?
"As you didn't reply before with proof either way on how the deal was done"
I didn't reply because I didn't feel you had said anything I needed to reply to. But you're right, I'm not part of Queen management so I don't have the contract in front of me. I'm making an informed guess based on Brian's complaints in his article. I haven't done anything other than repeat his complaints and disagree with them.
"I guess you don't know, so are making assumptions based on your perception that Brian is complaining."
No assumptions at all. I'm commenting on what he said in the article. My "perception" has nothing to do with it. If you want to look up the article, feel free. I'll be happy to respond to your "perception" of it.
So if they don't own it, how is that different to what I said? If they made a "deal" like this, they still obviously signed away their rights to the show. Otherwise Brian would not have any cause for complaint would he?
"As you didn't reply before with proof either way on how the deal was done"
I didn't reply because I didn't feel you had said anything I needed to reply to. But you're right, I'm not part of Queen management so I don't have the contract in front of me. I'm making an informed guess based on Brian's complaints in his article. I haven't done anything other than repeat his complaints and disagree with them.
"I guess you don't know, so are making assumptions based on your perception that Brian is complaining."
No assumptions at all. I'm commenting on what he said in the article. My "perception" has nothing to do with it. If you want to look up the article, feel free. I'll be happy to respond to your "perception" of it.
What article? Link? Or do you mean his Soapbox?
Peace,
Adam.
Peace,
Adam.
I'm referring to Brian's comments in The Stepford Daily Chronicle, aka "Brian's Soapbbox."