Sue their asses!!

Jesus H Christ, girls!

John S Stuart, you need a vacation.

No one's perfect. My position here is about this ONE post ONLY.

The post by May was CLEARLY nonsense and QUITE humorous, and meant to INDIRECTLY MOCK the sort of person that would take such a thing so very seriously. In fact, I'd say he was taking a stab at the very person(s) who brought the item to his attention, perhaps one of you worrywarts.

Brian got along with the playful Mr. Mercury and the intrepid Mr. Taylor because he shared their HIGHLY INTELLIGENT senses of humor.

Sense of humor. I

Sense of humor. N

Sense of humor. N

Sense of humor. U

Sense of humor. E

Sense of humor. N

Sense of humor. D

Sense of humor. O

;-)

So Holly, are you actually going to give us a link or not? We'd like to see these comments you read.

Peace,
Adam.

Adam, are your hands painted on? As you once said to me chum, go find it yourself.

What are you on about? When did I say that to you? Plus, it's for the benefit of everyone reading this thread, so...

Adam: "This was posted maybe a week or two ago. Have a look..."

http://www.queenzone.com/queen/forum/topic_view.asp?Q_FORUM_ID=1&Q_FORUM_NAME=Queen&Q_FORUM_TOPIC_ID=314591&TOPIC_SUBJECT=cover+of+Somebody+to+Love

If you want to again read what Brian said then go find it yourself because I can't be arsed. This may be important for you but it's not to me. Can I make that any clearer Adam?

Did you post the wrong link? That's going on about a movie featuring Somebody To Love. Nothing to do with WWRY dvd.

Peace,
Adam.

WHOOSH ... Over his head. I guess I need to explain it ...

Haole's link referred to your similar inability to provide a link for the Ella Enchanted movie.

Understand now???

Why could you not take a minute and look up a link?

Nevermind ... I'll do it for you ...

http://www.queenworld.com/archives/2002_August.htm

"let us remix it properly in DTS 5.1 surround"

Here's what Brian May said Adam;

"...really glad that the "We Will Rock You" performance DVD didn't win... instead of risking the EXTRA money to let US remix it properly in DTS 5.1 surround. They frigged around with the old Stereo mix to make a kind of surrogate surround. Unfortunately the old mix was crap. I only wish we could have stopped them putting it out in this shoddy fashion - it's the only Concert footage which we don't own - we let this company called "Mobilvision" film us to put us on an experimantal large-screen show for "concert"- type audiences many years ago. So we lost control of this footage".

So Adam, in all honesty do you think this "frigged around ORIGINAL stereo mix" is all that bad, and, do you think they would have "really" given up control without some sort of pay-out?

I have to agree with Holly2003 here. "if the company that owns the rights didn't want to sell them, then that is entirely their business. They paid for the product and it's only fair (and entirely legal) that they should profit from them as they see fit".

She also goes on to say, "In fact, however, ALL the reviews I've read say they did a good job. Bottom line - once Queen sold the rights, they have no cause to complain about what is done with them in the future."

So final question, do you think Brian has real grounds for complaint - or is it just sour grapes on his part?

(And yes I am PRO Brian May!)

I also agree with - GonnaUseMyPrisoners - Yes I do need a vacation - to somewhere tropical, hot, lots of cold beer and bikinis... long legs... and definately NO PC!!!

John S Stuart wrote:

Here's what he said Adam;

So Adam, in all honesty do you think this "frigged around ORIGINAL stereo mix" is all that bad, and, do you think they would have "really" given up control without some sort of pay-out?

I don't mind the current dvd cause it is great. Picture was dealt with nicely. But for some reason, not the audio. While I'm happy with the current dvd, I'd love it if they gave Brian's team control for a remix.
You have to understand that because I'm very familiar with audio every single day, I know exactly what could be done by talented folks like JustinSS. I can't believe they're (mobil) are happy to use the basic track from 1982(?) as the basis for their "5.1" mix.
And I think I already mentioned that the company probably doesn't give a toss about it.

I have to agree with Holly2003 here. "if the company that owns the rights didn't want to sell them, then that is entirely their business. They paid for the product and it's only fair (and entirely legal) that they should profit from them as they see fit".

That's not in question by me. I'm only saying that it's a missed opp to make it sound really good. Very surprised because you have to remember that the boys did work on this back in 1982 with the company in question. So, why a sudden shut-out? Sure, they don't have to include BM, but why not get the audio remixed?

She also goes on to say, "In fact, however, ALL the reviews I've read say they did a good job. Bottom line - once Queen sold the rights, they have no cause to complain about what is done with them in the future."

So final question, do you think Brian has real grounds for complaint - or is it just sour grapes on his part?

(And yes I am PRO Brian May!)

Yes, but you're saying that somehow he's not allowed to complain about the sound. That's basically what he's annoyed about. It's not as good as it could be. Doesn't that bother you guys? That this company has basically done nothing new to the audio and focussed only on the picture. And here's Brian saying, hey guys, we could've given you something much better...

I call it neglect. That's like Brian and co. NOT doing a complete new transfer of the NATO album into pro-tools for the dvd-a. And instead just using the stereo master-copy stuff they had lying about for mixing into surround for a dvd-a. Literally! It's the same process that is mentioned with the the WWRY sound came to be.

So, are you two telling me that what Brian is saying, doesn't matter?

Peace,
Adam.

EDIT: There's no excuse to not get it properly remixed into 5.1. I'm having to work on a stereo track for remixing into 4.1. The only reason I'm doing this is because it's the only audio that exists for this video. If there was more, I wouldn't "fake-it" unless absolutely necesary.

And with the WWRY dvd we hear the director mention the multitracks in 82 mixed for the concert. So, they exist. And in that case I'm very annoyed that they didn't bother to seek them out for a remix. Or does that mean involving you know who..?

Rank these missed opportunities from most to least serious:

WWRY Concert DVD where "the old mix was crap" (in Brian's objective words)

GVH DVD where 1/3 of the picture is missing and the 5.1 surround sound is really 4.1 because the center channel is missing.

Live Magic CD which is heavily edited.

Rare Live Video which is also heavily edited.

My rankings:

Rare Live: Editing is bad enough, but switching between 70's and 80's concerts within the same song makes listening and watching tedious.

Live Magic: Editing

GVH DVD: WS picture detrimental to some videos.

WWRY DVD: 5.1 surround sound would only be an incremental improvement to sound that is already excellent. IMHO "crap" is an undeserved rating.

Why would Brian give a "crap" rating to the WWRY DVD? - Mostly sour grapes.

Why would Brian May publicly flog Michael Allred for a legitimate criticism of the aspect ratio of GVH? - Bruised Ego?

Bullwinkle wrote:

Rank these missed opportunities from most to least serious:

WWRY Concert DVD where "the old mix was crap" (in Brian's objective words)

GVH DVD where 1/3 of the picture is missing and the 5.1 surround sound is really 4.1 because the center channel is missing.

On the sound... Justin already posted why he mixed it as 4.1. He explained his reasons in an article on Bri's site. Tried to find a link, but I couldn't find it.
I thought it was a mistake, but after reading Justin's article, it made sense. I was further convinced after mixing 5.1 myself and realising the same thing. It doesn't always work.

The AR? Well, I dunno. All I can say is that's the way they wanted it. But I got hold of the promo dvd with flix 1+2 and that's FullSreen. I've never been bothered by the Aspect Ratio thing. Probably cause if I grow to dislike it, I can mix the new sound with the old videos. I've offered on here to do this for whoever wants it, but people are too busy complaining...go figure. *Shrugs*

Live Magic CD which is heavily edited.

Live Magic? Dunno - don't care. Never bothered with it cause most of it is now released. Or I could just get the bootlegs of the rarer bits.

Rare Live Video which is also heavily edited.

My rankings:

Rare Live: Editing is bad enough, but switching between 70's and 80's concerts within the same song makes listening and watching tedious.

And I think the rare live vid is notorious because of the Twins. You know who..!

Live Magic: Editing

GVH DVD: WS picture detrimental to some videos.

WWRY DVD: 5.1 surround sound would only be an incremental improvement to sound that is already excellent. IMHO "crap" is an undeserved rating.

Why would Brian give a "crap" rating to the WWRY DVD? - Mostly sour grapes.

Just read about what I posted above. The mix that was made in 82 is dated. It may still be good. But it really isn't what it could be.

Why would Brian May publicly flog Michael Allred for a legitimate criticism of the aspect ratio of GVH? - Bruised Ego?

Err...didn't he send an email to the letters section of Brian's site? And as warned on the site, letters can be posted. But why don't you ask Bri why the aspect ratio is the way it is?

Peace,
Adam.

"The mix that was made in 82 is dated. It may still be good. But it really isn't what it could be."

If "It may still be good", why did Brian vindictively over-react by calling it crap?

By his standards, the GVH DVD's, Live Magic, and Rare Live are crap.

Pure and simple, his opinion is because it was an independent (not QP) release.

I seem to remember Ghost of a Smile being ignored by the Queen Machine. When asked about it, the fan club erroneously said it was a bootleg.

Just another case of sour grapes toward independent (not QP) releases.

I don't know about you guys, but I don't care about Brian's sour grapes or whatever record is disowned by QP. I just want us, the fans, to get the absolute best in the case of the WWRY sound.

I think Brian must have called it crap because it is dated. I've said all this above. It ain't what it could be.
And after listening to the new Milton Keynes snippits, it's very evident about what could be done.

Peace,
Adam.

Why is it that Brian does not complain about the sound for Final Live in Japan 1985 DVD, but gives the WWRY DVD both barrels despite the fact that the WWRY concert has much better sound?

Maybe it's because Final Live DVD is an officially sanctioned release, but the WWRY DVD is not?

Adam - Why don't you e-mail Brian and ask him about the Final Live quality, and ask him when he will fix the mix and upgrade it to 5.1 surround?

Surely Brian has more control over the Final Live DVD than the WWRY DVD.