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JIMMY PAGE Come on, I dare you to deny the man his righteous spot on the top.
You don't need to dare me. Just listen to virtually any Zeppelin bootleg from 75-80, and you'll hear a Jimmy Page that most intermediate guitarits could play better than. Far too often he was making mistakes that just shouldn't be made, like completely missing notes and carelessly hitting the open strings almost as much as fretted notes!
It's best to specify 69-73 (ie. pre-drug era) for Page, as our friend Virtuoso did. Comparing "How The West Was Won" and the Knebworth 8-11-79 bootleg is just an unbelieveable thing. Somehow, these two documents feature the same person performing.
Obviously, his lack of accuracy (as any Johnson or Malmsteen clearly leaves him in the dust) is not my reason for putting him in the top, as he was pretty notorious for the aforementioned things. However, his amazing riffs and great solos he created, his innovation and his massive influence, and legacy as a legendary guitarist earned him his place in my list as my favorite guitarist.
my friend Thomas (he's already a guitar GOD! *orgasm* lmao)
Blasphemer! Unless his name is Eric "Thomas" Johnson, I condemn you to a most painful death.
-Brian
Grand Inquisitor
no his name is Thomas Dunn :-D
mandy... don't do the tongue thing now...
heh
*does the tongue thing*
Brian,-of course..
Mick Ronson,-really great!
Pete Townsend,-so is he..
Joe Perry,-really hot!:P
Slash,-great!
Mick Ronson,-really great!
Pete Townsend,-so is he..
Joe Perry,-really hot!:P
Slash,-great!
oh no! I forgot Jimmy Page!! -one of the best there is...
I thought Alex Lora was the dude from Mana, Mex.
Btw... the new drummer for Mana KICKS ASS!
I like Mana but I don't even know the name of the guitarist, i just know the name of the singer is Fer :)
my friend Thomas (he's already a guitar GOD! *orgasm* lmao)
Blasphemer! Unless his name is Eric "Thomas" Johnson, I condemn you to a most painful death.
-Brian
Grand Inquisitor
no his name is Thomas Dunn :-D
mandy... don't do the tongue thing now...
heh
*does the tongue thing*
nooooooooooooooooooooo lmao
but mandy, he's getting really good!
...he can play all of Sanitarum... *drool*
actually, he can play all of a lot of songs, so i don't remember them all :-P
Obviously, his lack of accuracy (as any Johnson or Malmsteen clearly leaves him in the dust) is not my reason for putting him in the top, as he was pretty notorious for the aforementioned things. However, his amazing riffs and great solos he created, his innovation and his massive influence, and legacy as a legendary guitarist earned him his place in my list as my favorite guitarist.
Right, I agree there. But that's from an influential point of view, rather than a technical point of view. But this topic is about favourites, as you said, not technicality. Page is definitely a great and a pioneer, in that respect.
But if you do want to get technical and talk strictly about his playing ability, over the last 30 years, Jimmy Page isn't even in the top 1000.
Obviously, his lack of accuracy (as any Johnson or Malmsteen clearly leaves him in the dust) is not my reason for putting him in the top, as he was pretty notorious for the aforementioned things. However, his amazing riffs and great solos he created, his innovation and his massive influence, and legacy as a legendary guitarist earned him his place in my list as my favorite guitarist.
Right, I agree there. But that's from an influential point of view, rather than a technical point of view. But this topic is about favourites, as you said, not technicality. Page is definitely a great and a pioneer, in that respect.
But if you do want to get technical and talk strictly about his playing ability, over the last 30 years, Jimmy Page isn't even in the top 1000.
since every time I start talking to you about guitar playing, we end up at each other's throats, I'm not going to go into it this time, except for a quick question - if Page isn't in the top 1,000, then who is? The qualifications for most of these magazine lists you see are that enough people have to have heard of them to put them on the list.
Technicaly,I'm better than Jimmy Page.I've been playing for 11 years now (I'm 18)and I can easely reproduce every single licks he has realized.His solos are really effortless(constanly using the pentatonic and minor scales)to duplicate.Jimmy's skills are nothing compared to players like Satch,Yngwie,Vai,DeMartini,M.Angelo,M.Romeo and the lists goes on and on and on...
There's a difference between a guitarist with just only "skill", and the guitarist that has "everything".
There are other elements that makes a guitarist great such as... innovation, influence, song writing creativity, on stage prescence and performance, etc.
If we were talking about only skill, then guys like Malmsteem would perhaps kick everybody's ass. But since that's NOT the only thing that makes a guitar player great, then we have to considered every single other aspect.
Any guitarist can tell you that since Hendrix there's been guitar players more skilled than Hendrix himself, but all those great guitarists that have come after Hendrix would probably tell you that if it wasn't for Hendrix they would have probably never picked up a guitar. That includes our dear Brian as well.
There are other elements that makes a guitarist great such as... innovation, influence, song writing creativity, on stage prescence and performance, etc.
If we were talking about only skill, then guys like Malmsteem would perhaps kick everybody's ass. But since that's NOT the only thing that makes a guitar player great, then we have to considered every single other aspect.
Any guitarist can tell you that since Hendrix there's been guitar players more skilled than Hendrix himself, but all those great guitarists that have come after Hendrix would probably tell you that if it wasn't for Hendrix they would have probably never picked up a guitar. That includes our dear Brian as well.
1. Brian May (certainly not the biggest, but without any doubt my faveourite, I don't really have to explain to you guys why..)
2. Joe Satriani - in my oppinion one of the biggest guitarists today, great technician, great musician, the best!
3. Andre Olbrich (Blind Guardian)
4. Eric Clapton - no need to explain...
5. Steve Vai
2. Joe Satriani - in my oppinion one of the biggest guitarists today, great technician, great musician, the best!
3. Andre Olbrich (Blind Guardian)
4. Eric Clapton - no need to explain...
5. Steve Vai
if Page isn't in the top 1,000, then who is? The qualifications for most of these magazine lists you see are that enough people have to have heard of them to put them on the list.
Well, I was just talking strictly from the perpective of his guitar playing talents, specfically of the last 30 years. I could name a hundred rock, metal, jazz, classical, and fusion players who are all leagues beyond Page, even in his best days. But in terms of his playing from 74 onward, as I said before, most intermediate players have already learned how to play cleaner than Page. Within a couple years, they'll be able to play pretty much anything Page played in his best days. In comparison to stuff like Vai and all them, Zeppelin stuff is very simplistic, and is really step 2 or 3 of the unlimited world of guitar playing.
Technicaly,I'm better than Jimmy Page.I've been playing for 11 years now (I'm 18)and I can easely reproduce every single licks he has realized.His solos are really effortless(constanly using the pentatonic and minor scales)to duplicate.Jimmy's skills are nothing compared to players like Satch,Yngwie,Vai,DeMartini,M.Angelo,M.Romeo and the lists goes on and on and on...
That pretty much sums it up. But now that you've said it, I'll say it too... for the last 5 years, I've been able to flawlessly play just about every Page lick and solo. It's not that difficult once you get the technique down. These three I still have a bit of trouble with:
a) The Song Remains The Same, TSRTS version, first solo
b) Since I've Been Loving You, How The West Was Won version - the first 15 seconds of the solo... wow!
c) Whole Lotta Love, TSRTS version - there's the one really fast part that last for about 10 seconds in the boogie chillun solo I still can't quite get.
Jingles' post was great, but again, we're purely talking about the technical aspect of the players here, not their innovation, songwriting skills, popularity, etc. Of course the popular guys will always make the lists. One of these days, someone has to make a list of the top 100 guitarists from a technical perspective, all genres, mainstream or not. You won't find many of these mainstream rockers there (old or new), if any at all.
One example would definitely be Steve Howe, who is actually one of the most influential guitarists of all time as well. But you don't hear about him often, because most of his influential music wasn't commercial. But there is no doubt that he influenced most of the players in the entire genre of prog rock, which isn't commerical itself. There's a lot more to rock-oriented music than what's on classic rock stations and MTV.
If we were talking about only skill, then guys like Malmsteem would perhaps kick everybody's ass. But since that's NOT the only thing that makes a guitar player great, then we have to considered every single other aspect.
WTF???That's not even factual??Do you know anything about Yngwie?Do you??
Let me make this clear for you:
Innovations:Reinvented neoclassical rock.No one had shredded like he did before the "Yngwie Mamsteen:Rising Force" album came out.Yeah,maybe EVH,but Malmsteen did dark and faster shredding.The album which I mentioned is consider the "Bible for neoclassic rock".
Influence:He opened up a door for all shredders(which he heavely influenced),Vinnie Moore,Jason becker,Michael Romeo,Michael Angelo,Joe Stump,Paul Gilbert,Chris Impelliteri,Borislav Mitic,Friedman,Macalpini,Howe,Myself and more.
Songwriting Creativity:Most of his albums are critical acclaimed,including the Grammy-nominated album "YM:Rising Force".Also,From songs like Black Star to Prelude To April,plz tell that there's some creativity in it.
Stage Prescence:Hey!The man managed an orchestra by himself when he produced one of his greatest creations 'Concerto Suite For The Electric Guitar,Orchestra In E Flat minor'.And he's known for being a great showman,and too,he's recognize for his amazing sets.
Performance:Since he started with Steeler's,he is well known for his sold-out shows during the 80's and still now he can manage 10,000 attendances(for instance G3 concerts).I had the chance to see him live...and Yes,the guy still performs like a GOD.
To conclude,this is a commment from someone that went in the G3 concert when Yngwie was invited to the tour.This was a Saturday,October 18 '03
Greek Theatre,Los Angeles(posted on JoeSatriani.com):
I agree with those who uphold Yngwie - he's one of the BEST!!!! I my-self am JS fan, but to critisize Yngwie!? It's ridiculous, he ROCKS!!! Those who critisize him - can you play guitar at all? If yes, do you think you have what it takes to say anything bad about Yngwie?! Go and practice, get someone to notice you, like you, get Joe or Steve respect you and invite you to their G3, win the crowd, get become someone the others would like to be like, achieve at leat the 0.09% of what Yngwie did!!!! Or get your own G3, call Yngwie, and prove your sayings there by outplaying him!!! Until then, SHUT THE F&*@K UP!!!!!!!!!!!! Satch and Vai invited him to make the show a BLAST!!! And thanks to Yngwie it was a BLAST. Satch and Vai are excellent players, that's true, but without Yngwie it would be just another G3 show, that we already have seen, but Yngwie - he made and an unforgetable, unique, outstanding show!!!! The event like this has been being waited for for quite a long while, and IT FINALLY HAPPENED!!! THANK YOU JOE, STEVE AND... SPECIAL THANKS TO YNGWIE FOR SUCH A GREAT GREAT SHOW!!!! THREE GUITAR KINGS AT ONE STAGE, UNBELIEVABLE!!!! Three MASTERS!!! Three GUITAR STYLE FOUNDATIONS AT ONE STAGE!!!!
'nuff said...