You mean the studio version, don't you..? I have that issue of Guitarist.
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No I mean the Live Magic version.
I'll check for you later this afternoon which guitarist it was in.
I'll check for you later this afternoon which guitarist it was in.
Yeah, there is definately an overdub at 1'46". You need to listen on headphones really. To me it sounds like the normal guitar goes from mono into stereo AND with tons more overdrive. The same kind of overdub happens at 2'47" as well. I disagree that it's a rake or sweep pick though! Sounds nothing like either!
So many of the songs off Live Magic are assembled from 2 or more gigs though - for example check out Radio GaGa at 3'20" and A Kind Of Magic at 4'55"...
So many of the songs off Live Magic are assembled from 2 or more gigs though - for example check out Radio GaGa at 3'20" and A Kind Of Magic at 4'55"...
It's in the july issue from 1999 of Guitarist magazine.
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EddieVanHalen: You'd think with a name like that you'd actually know something about playing the guitar.
To say that what Brian plays at around the 1:45 mark in One Vision cannot be played live by only 1 human is staggeringly laughable.
At the moment the song reaches 1:45 Brian lightly plays a muted staccato note which sounds like a G, 3rd fret on the bottom E. He immediately unfrets the string and slides his hand up and down the fretboard quickly, and you hear the noise of his left hand sliding against the strings, an effect which you hear much more clearly at the end of the original WWRY solo. I first thought that this was the bit your on about, but I'm not so sure now. If it was, well a 2 year-old could make that noise.
Then between 1:46 and 1:48 Brian plays a simple lick that goes like this (click 'edit' to see tab properly):
E|----------------|--
B|--6-----6-------|--
G|--5-------5---7-|--
D|------------5-7-|--
A|--------------5-|--
E|----------------|--
How that can be impossible to play live by 1 human is beyond me. You even see Bri playing pretty much that exact riff in the studio during the making of One Vision on Magic Years 1 and GVHII.
I will admit that the actual sound of the guitar in the mix seems to change slightly for this lick, but I personally don't think thats a sign of an overdub/bit of editing. What this lick definitely isn't though is two guitars. Absolutely not.
The lick that earwig mentions at 2:47 sounds a little more suspect to me. Again, it's easy for 1 guitarist to pull-off, but the sound of that specific riff is noticeably different to the surrounding guitar parts.
I have no idea what you can hear at those points in AKOM and RGG earwig that indicates there's been some kind of splice there. There's absolutely nothing at all that stands out to my ears there.
To say that what Brian plays at around the 1:45 mark in One Vision cannot be played live by only 1 human is staggeringly laughable.
At the moment the song reaches 1:45 Brian lightly plays a muted staccato note which sounds like a G, 3rd fret on the bottom E. He immediately unfrets the string and slides his hand up and down the fretboard quickly, and you hear the noise of his left hand sliding against the strings, an effect which you hear much more clearly at the end of the original WWRY solo. I first thought that this was the bit your on about, but I'm not so sure now. If it was, well a 2 year-old could make that noise.
Then between 1:46 and 1:48 Brian plays a simple lick that goes like this (click 'edit' to see tab properly):
E|----------------|--
B|--6-----6-------|--
G|--5-------5---7-|--
D|------------5-7-|--
A|--------------5-|--
E|----------------|--
How that can be impossible to play live by 1 human is beyond me. You even see Bri playing pretty much that exact riff in the studio during the making of One Vision on Magic Years 1 and GVHII.
I will admit that the actual sound of the guitar in the mix seems to change slightly for this lick, but I personally don't think thats a sign of an overdub/bit of editing. What this lick definitely isn't though is two guitars. Absolutely not.
The lick that earwig mentions at 2:47 sounds a little more suspect to me. Again, it's easy for 1 guitarist to pull-off, but the sound of that specific riff is noticeably different to the surrounding guitar parts.
I have no idea what you can hear at those points in AKOM and RGG earwig that indicates there's been some kind of splice there. There's absolutely nothing at all that stands out to my ears there.
I'd put money on it! Listen on headphones - you probably won't hear it on speakers. The stereo imaging changes as does the overall tone (bass, treble etc).
Of course I could stand corrected (said the man in the orthopaedic shoes!!!).
Of course I could stand corrected (said the man in the orthopaedic shoes!!!).
EddieVanHalen: You'd think with a name like that you'd actually know something about playing the guitar.
To say that what Brian plays at around the 1:45 mark in One Vision cannot be played live by only 1 human is staggeringly laughable.
At the moment the song reaches 1:45 Brian lightly plays a muted staccato note which sounds like a G, 3rd fret on the bottom E. He immediately unfrets the string and slides his hand up and down the fretboard quickly, and you hear the noise of his left hand sliding against the strings, an effect which you hear much more clearly at the end of the original WWRY solo. I first thought that this was the bit your on about, but I'm not so sure now. If it was, well a 2 year-old could make that noise.
Then between 1:46 and 1:48 Brian plays a simple lick that goes like this (click 'edit' to see tab properly):
E|----------------|--
B|--6-----6-------|--
G|--5-------5---7-|--
D|------------5-7-|--
A|--------------5-|--
E|----------------|--
How that can be impossible to play live by 1 human is beyond me. You even see Bri playing pretty much that exact riff in the studio during the making of One Vision on Magic Years 1 and GVHII.
I will admit that the actual sound of the guitar in the mix seems to change slightly for this lick, but I personally don't think thats a sign of an overdub/bit of editing. What this lick definitely isn't though is two guitars. Absolutely not.
The lick that earwig mentions at 2:47 sounds a little more suspect to me. Again, it's easy for 1 guitarist to pull-off, but the sound of that specific riff is noticeably different to the surrounding guitar parts.
I have no idea what you can hear at those points in AKOM and RGG earwig that indicates there's been some kind of splice there. There's absolutely nothing at all that stands out to my ears there.
Why do you have to get personal?
Since english isn't my native language I find it sometimes hard to explain certain technical guitar things in english.
It almost seems like everything one posts at this board as a newbie is bound to be flamed and critisized.Do you rather have me asking stupid questions about if freddie is still alive or something like that?
If you listen to one vision with earphones you can hear brian playing a chord over the first chord from bar 54, the f5 chord.there's definetly something going on there.
I still agree with you EVH! This guy who is posting guitar tab to prove a point is just going too far!!! And I also agree that newbies are treated like scum sometimes which isn't nice at all. The minority spoiling it for the majority...
Bohardy is another of the long-time postees of this forum. I've never found myself doubting his musical knowledge and just because you hear something different doesn't make you right and Bo, wrong. Bohardy knows what he's talking about. That, I am 100% positive of.
Now, after getting a hold of Live Magic, I have to agree with Bo. Trust me, my ears are good! :)
Peace,
Adam.
Now, after getting a hold of Live Magic, I have to agree with Bo. Trust me, my ears are good! :)
Peace,
Adam.
Cheers for the suport Adam. 'Tis appreciated.
EVH: Perhaps my initial comment and the overall tone of my post was a little personal, but some of the things you said in your posts indicated that you did genuinely know about the things mentioned here, and that made me all the more flabbergasted when I actually listened to the part you were on about and realised how wrong you were.
I've listened on headphones numerous times to that section (and the other sections mentioned), and don't hear anything impossible to play, only a slight change in the sound of the guitar. As Adam said, I know what I'm talking about, and I'm just trying to help clarify the issue here.
Of course I'd rather you talk about these things than ask stupid questions about Freddie, as it's these things I like to talk about. If you did ask stupid questions about Fred I probably wouldn't bother posting in the topic, like I don't in 95% of the drivel that gets posted here. You wrote something that interested me enough to make me respond, so if you have any more things like this to point out in the future, please go right ahead and do so. I'd love to join in the conversation.
I don't see how me posting a tab is going too far earwig. What better way is there for me to explain what I'm on about? Namely that what Brian plays there is definitely playable by 1 person. If EVH could perhaps post a tab of what he thinks is played there that it's impossible to do with 1 guitar I might possibly just rethink my position.
And no-one's being flamed here just for being a newbie. You can spot the twerps from the people with something decent to say from a mile off here, and to be 'accepted' is quite simple: Just don't be a twat, which neither of you two (EVH and Earwig) appear to be.
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EVH: Perhaps my initial comment and the overall tone of my post was a little personal, but some of the things you said in your posts indicated that you did genuinely know about the things mentioned here, and that made me all the more flabbergasted when I actually listened to the part you were on about and realised how wrong you were.
I've listened on headphones numerous times to that section (and the other sections mentioned), and don't hear anything impossible to play, only a slight change in the sound of the guitar. As Adam said, I know what I'm talking about, and I'm just trying to help clarify the issue here.
Of course I'd rather you talk about these things than ask stupid questions about Freddie, as it's these things I like to talk about. If you did ask stupid questions about Fred I probably wouldn't bother posting in the topic, like I don't in 95% of the drivel that gets posted here. You wrote something that interested me enough to make me respond, so if you have any more things like this to point out in the future, please go right ahead and do so. I'd love to join in the conversation.
I don't see how me posting a tab is going too far earwig. What better way is there for me to explain what I'm on about? Namely that what Brian plays there is definitely playable by 1 person. If EVH could perhaps post a tab of what he thinks is played there that it's impossible to do with 1 guitar I might possibly just rethink my position.
And no-one's being flamed here just for being a newbie. You can spot the twerps from the people with something decent to say from a mile off here, and to be 'accepted' is quite simple: Just don't be a twat, which neither of you two (EVH and Earwig) appear to be.
:)
i've listenend to the same part again for like 15 times, and i've also listenend to the left channel and the right channel alone, and I can hear that the guitar in the left channel plays some slightly different note's around that area.
You can hear the stereo mix change and then you can also hear that the guitar on the left channel plays something slightly different.I didn't want to critisize you in any way bohardy, i have no hard feelings against you.I still think that the part I mentioned smells a bit funny to say at least, something was done there that wasn't played exactly on the night the gig was recorded.The only way to find out is to listen to a bootleg of that concert to be sure.And by the way I already stated that I exagurated with the not possible to play by only one human sentence.It was just a way to express that I think there was something added in that guitarpart.It's interesting to debate about these kind of things.Anyway I'm looking forward to your response on the left and right channel thing :-)
You can hear the stereo mix change and then you can also hear that the guitar on the left channel plays something slightly different.I didn't want to critisize you in any way bohardy, i have no hard feelings against you.I still think that the part I mentioned smells a bit funny to say at least, something was done there that wasn't played exactly on the night the gig was recorded.The only way to find out is to listen to a bootleg of that concert to be sure.And by the way I already stated that I exagurated with the not possible to play by only one human sentence.It was just a way to express that I think there was something added in that guitarpart.It's interesting to debate about these kind of things.Anyway I'm looking forward to your response on the left and right channel thing :-)
OK no hard feelings! All I would say is that I'm a professional guitarist myself and have recorded with pro tools etc as well as transcribing and arranging from various recordings and I feel that my ears are very sensitive to such things! I guess we need to agree to disagree...
Not to be childish I promise but listen to Strawberry Fields Forever at about 59 seconds (I think) now that is TOTALLY a splice because George Martin freely admits it!!!
Not to be childish I promise but listen to Strawberry Fields Forever at about 59 seconds (I think) now that is TOTALLY a splice because George Martin freely admits it!!!
Done any Queen transcripts, Earwig? If not, could you transcribe the guitars in Let Me Live, please?
Thanks!
Adam.
Thanks!
Adam.