I am just wondering about the four tracks that Freddie sang at the Dominion in 1988 at the Time musical.
I wrote to Greg Brooks enquiring as to why these were omitted from Freddie's Solo collection, and whether or not they would appear on the Queen box set (silly question in hindsight). Anyway Greg replied:
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"Hi fd
We could not find a good quality version of those recordings and even Dave Clark could not lay his hands on the masters. I did try hard to get that stuff.
No, it will not be on any Queen box – definitely not. It is not Queen.
Maybe, if we get it some day, we’ll offer it on a future FM product?
Does anyone have a GREAT quality version?
Regards
GB"
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I think most of us probably have three (It's In Everyone Of Us, In My Defence and Born To Rock and Roll)of the four tracks in MP3 format. Two of mine are in poor condition, and one in much better condition (It's In Everyone Of Us)...anyway, do soundboard copies of all four tracks actually exist anywhere, or at least in the quality of It's In Everyone Of Us?
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I'll just say YES and pretend that I have raw sbd version of the whole performance.
I'll just say YES and pretend that I have raw sbd version of the whole performance.
Why say anything, if you have nothing to say?
Fairydandy: "I am just wondering about the four tracks that Freddie sang at the Dominion in 1988 at the Time musical".
First: this has been asked here many times before.
Second: Sorry to be rude, or to burst any bubbles, but Greg was being a diplomat. (Others may say a downright liar, but I am not so inclined). I often amaze at how Queen fans do not accept subtle hints, yet complain like bugg*ry when hit over the head with a metaphorical sledgehammer.
Of course the tracks exist in perfect soundboard quality, but the legistics of a public release are a virtual minefield of copyright entanglements.
The tracks do not belong to Queen or Queen productions. They belong to Dave Clark. Permission would have to drawn up between the lawyers of Dave Clark, Cliff Richard, The estate of Freddie Mercury and Queen Productions. The wranglings and cost involved made the tracks box-set prohibitive. End of Story.
Now once upon a time Greg used to say as much, but then the poor guy was always hit with smart-Alex replies like "What if Dave Clark died", or "Cliff Richard was blackmailed" and other such childish none-sense.
Therefore over the past four or so years it has just evolved into an easier and quicker explanation to say that "They do not exist".
I also suggest it is a bad idea to send Greg your MP3's - because if they cannot release the original, then there is no chance that yours would ever go further than his recycle bin.
First: this has been asked here many times before.
Second: Sorry to be rude, or to burst any bubbles, but Greg was being a diplomat. (Others may say a downright liar, but I am not so inclined). I often amaze at how Queen fans do not accept subtle hints, yet complain like bugg*ry when hit over the head with a metaphorical sledgehammer.
Of course the tracks exist in perfect soundboard quality, but the legistics of a public release are a virtual minefield of copyright entanglements.
The tracks do not belong to Queen or Queen productions. They belong to Dave Clark. Permission would have to drawn up between the lawyers of Dave Clark, Cliff Richard, The estate of Freddie Mercury and Queen Productions. The wranglings and cost involved made the tracks box-set prohibitive. End of Story.
Now once upon a time Greg used to say as much, but then the poor guy was always hit with smart-Alex replies like "What if Dave Clark died", or "Cliff Richard was blackmailed" and other such childish none-sense.
Therefore over the past four or so years it has just evolved into an easier and quicker explanation to say that "They do not exist".
I also suggest it is a bad idea to send Greg your MP3's - because if they cannot release the original, then there is no chance that yours would ever go further than his recycle bin.
Fairydandy: "I am just wondering about the four tracks that Freddie sang at the Dominion in 1988 at the Time musical".
First: this has been asked here many times before.
Second: Sorry to be rude, or to burst any bubbles, but Greg was being a diplomat. (Others may say a downright liar, but I am not so inclined). I often amaze at how Queen fans do not accept subtle hints, yet complain like bugg*ry when hit over the head with a metaphorical sledgehammer.
Of course the tracks exist in perfect soundboard quality, but the legistics of a public release are a virtual minefield of copyright entanglements.
The tracks do not belong to Queen or Queen productions. They belong to Dave Clark. Permission would have to drawn up between the lawyers of Dave Clark, Cliff Richard, The estate of Freddie Mercury and Queen Productions. The wranglings and cost involved made the tracks box-set prohibitive. End of Story.
Now once upon a time Greg used to say as much, but then the poor guy was always hit with smart-Alex replies like "What if Dave Clark died", or "Cliff Richard was blackmailed" and other such childish none-sense.
Therefore over the past four or so years it has just evolved into an easier and quicker explanation to say that "They do not exist".
I also suggest it is a bad idea to send Greg your MP3's - because if they cannot release the original, then there is no chance that yours would ever go further than his recycle bin.
First. I didn't know it had been asked here before. Is it some kind of a rule that we can only ask new questions here?
Second. I will point Greg to your reply, to see if that is indeed the case.
Third. I have no intention of sending Greg anything in MP3 format, (or any format) and never did have.
Forth. Thanks for your reply, I bow down to your amazing Queen knowledge, even if do come across as an arrogant wanker. ;-)
..Unless of course you are Greg? ;-)
Stuart lives in his own little dreamworld. You got your answer from Greg, "nuff said" as the children say.
$1241.60: Why is it that everybody thinks they are a bloo*y expert? So what exactly was YOUR contribution to the FM boxset?
OK. Let's see, I'll go listen to the unreleased soundboard version - while you, Fairydandy and Greg argue amongst yourselves about it's existence.
Besides, I am NOT the ONLY one with this superior quality material in this 'zone, but if others wish to remain in the "closet", then it is not up to me to disclose, so perhaps you are correct, I do live "in... (my) ...own little dreamworld", but it is a world that you will never be part of.
OK. Let's see, I'll go listen to the unreleased soundboard version - while you, Fairydandy and Greg argue amongst yourselves about it's existence.
Besides, I am NOT the ONLY one with this superior quality material in this 'zone, but if others wish to remain in the "closet", then it is not up to me to disclose, so perhaps you are correct, I do live "in... (my) ...own little dreamworld", but it is a world that you will never be part of.
My contribution was $156 and lots of love. Most of us here are Queen fans. We like to share stuff, commiserate about Queen Productions, help out each other in regards to items which actually exist for all of us. I can't quite figure out what your purpose is here other than to toy with people, brag, act like some sort of God. Whether you're the Zone's biggest liar or biggest dick is up for debate, but either way you're quite transparent.
$1241.60: Why is it that everybody thinks they are a bloo*y expert? So what exactly was YOUR contribution to the FM boxset?
OK. Let's see, I'll go listen to the unreleased soundboard version - while you, Fairydandy and Greg argue amongst yourselves about it's existence.
Besides, I am NOT the ONLY one with this superior quality material in this 'zone, but if others wish to remain in the "closet", then it is not up to me to disclose, so perhaps you are correct, I do live "in... (my) ...own little dreamworld", but it is a world that you will never be part of.
Now where exactly have I been "arguing" about the existence of this material? I asked a civil question, and that was "do soundboard copies of all four tracks actually exist anywhere?"
Jeeeesus bloody christ, some people.
$1241.60: "I can't quite figure out what your purpose is here other than to toy with people, brag, act like some sort of God. Whether you're the Zone's biggest liar or biggest dick is up for debate, but either way you're quite transparent".
I had no other purpose than answer a simple question. I was neither rude or insulting, nor did I lie or be a dick about it. I answered in clear simple terms, the best way I knew how. Whether YOU believe the answer or not is your perogative.
If I was rude it was not in my original reply, but surprisingly enough, in reply to your own rudeness. So I do not expect that you can complain too much about that.
At least I am honest enough NOT to hide behind some silly name, or make snide or negative comments each time a 'zoner asks a simple question.
Finally; you have no idea what I have shared or not, so please take your preaching and your biting envy and misinformation elsewhere.
Fairydandy: "argue" was an expression for the benefit of $1241.60. It was not meant to be taken literally.
I had no other purpose than answer a simple question. I was neither rude or insulting, nor did I lie or be a dick about it. I answered in clear simple terms, the best way I knew how. Whether YOU believe the answer or not is your perogative.
If I was rude it was not in my original reply, but surprisingly enough, in reply to your own rudeness. So I do not expect that you can complain too much about that.
At least I am honest enough NOT to hide behind some silly name, or make snide or negative comments each time a 'zoner asks a simple question.
Finally; you have no idea what I have shared or not, so please take your preaching and your biting envy and misinformation elsewhere.
Fairydandy: "argue" was an expression for the benefit of $1241.60. It was not meant to be taken literally.
My contribution was $156 and lots of love. Most of us here are Queen fans. We like to share stuff, commiserate about Queen Productions, help out each other in regards to items which actually exist for all of us. I can't quite figure out what your purpose is here other than to toy with people, brag, act like some sort of God. Whether you're the Zone's biggest liar or biggest dick is up for debate, but either way you're quite transparent.
Sorry, but I think you are doing something wrong. I understand your point of view about sharing, you know, but I think there's no use in attacking John S Stuart in this way.
You're right if you say that his post was too rude and not adeguated to the situation. But calling him a liar, it's really stupid for me. He has proved his knowledge many times (and not only here, obviously) and I really like to read his posts because usually I find there something new and interesting about Queen and their music (I could say the same thing about other posters too). I hope I will be able to read them again in the future.
About calling him a dick... well, it's your opinion... you have my permission :-)
Hold on a minute...
John, where does it say "They do not exist?" In fact, Greg's reply points out the opposite opinion, "Maybe, if we get it some day, we’ll offer it on a future FM product?" Now, that's pretty obvious that he acknowledges their existence.
So guys, let's not fight about it, huh? John, a simpler response, they do exist but are caught up in too many legal entanglements for it to be used, would suffice.
Peace,
Adam.
Therefore over the past four or so years it has just evolved into an easier and quicker explanation to say that "They do not exist".
John, where does it say "They do not exist?" In fact, Greg's reply points out the opposite opinion, "Maybe, if we get it some day, we’ll offer it on a future FM product?" Now, that's pretty obvious that he acknowledges their existence.
So guys, let's not fight about it, huh? John, a simpler response, they do exist but are caught up in too many legal entanglements for it to be used, would suffice.
Peace,
Adam.
The tracks do not belong to Queen or Queen productions. They belong to Dave Clark. Permission would have to drawn up between the lawyers of Dave Clark, Cliff Richard, The estate of Freddie Mercury and Queen Productions. The wranglings and cost involved made the tracks box-set prohibitive. End of Story.
Now, for the sake of those of us who know little about copyright law (Hi Kes), I assume that these tracks do not fall into the same category as the the Time studio tracks (that were released on the box set) because, well, they were performed live at a benefit performance.
I also assume that this is the reason that Dave Clark owns the rights, and since no previous agreement was ever hashed out, trying to get Freddie's estate, Dave Clark, and Sir Cliff to agree on a new deal that gives QP an incentive to put it out is not cost effective.
Adam: "John, where does it say "They do not exist?" In fact, Greg's reply points out the opposite opinion, "Maybe, if we get it some day, we’ll offer it on a future FM product?" Now, that's pretty obvious that he acknowledges their existence".
Fair point. But then again, why would Greg ask "Does anyone have a GREAT quality version?", if QP had access to the master tapes?
Zeni the Wet Sprocket: "Now, for the sake of those of us who know little about copyright law... I assume that these tracks do not fall into the same category as the the Time studio tracks (that were released on the box set) because, well, they were performed live at a benefit performance.
Yes, that is correct. Also the studio tracks were officially released in the first place. (Remixes were also courtesy of the Dave Clark ownership).
Adam: "...a simpler response, they do exist but are caught up in too many legal entanglements for it to be used, would suffice".
AC: "About calling him a dick... well, it's your opinion... you have my permission :-)"
Pardon me - I am now a dick because I responed correctly to an other 'zoners question? I do not think my original reply was either insultive or over the top. However, if you guys believe I am a dick for responding to this question, why should I respond to others?
Is it any wonder that regular zoners are being chased away?
Fair point. But then again, why would Greg ask "Does anyone have a GREAT quality version?", if QP had access to the master tapes?
Zeni the Wet Sprocket: "Now, for the sake of those of us who know little about copyright law... I assume that these tracks do not fall into the same category as the the Time studio tracks (that were released on the box set) because, well, they were performed live at a benefit performance.
Yes, that is correct. Also the studio tracks were officially released in the first place. (Remixes were also courtesy of the Dave Clark ownership).
Adam: "...a simpler response, they do exist but are caught up in too many legal entanglements for it to be used, would suffice".
AC: "About calling him a dick... well, it's your opinion... you have my permission :-)"
Pardon me - I am now a dick because I responed correctly to an other 'zoners question? I do not think my original reply was either insultive or over the top. However, if you guys believe I am a dick for responding to this question, why should I respond to others?
Is it any wonder that regular zoners are being chased away?