Have a look at the "Time" thread.
http://www.queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q=404633
Although I honestly answered this question correctly, and others in this zone also have the same excellent quality versions, it seems that Greg still wants to villify me in public for spreading this information.
Any ideas why this should be so, when in fact all I did was report the truth?
And why is it that so many zoner's are hoping that I take a fall over this? All I ever did was help you guys out. I do not see that as "stirring" things up, or "having a chip on my shoulder" But then again, perhaps it is me that is out of touch, as I have never known QP or Greg to take such a vitriolic stance before.
As the tag-line to a televison programme once read: "The truth is out there..."
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I don't understand the history here John to be honest, but for my part in all of this, it was your reply (where you seemed to be implying) that Greg had said "they do not exist" that caused me the problem.
John, I wouldnt worry about it. I've enjoyed many of your posts here. As for Greg whatsisname, here's hoping that he can do a better job with the proposed updating of his "Queen Live - A Concert Documentary". A book full of inaccuracies - and this all from a man "supposedly" in the know.
Any way,
Peace to you,
Dave
Any way,
Peace to you,
Dave
yes I agree John, I'm with you :) I think it is a million times better to help with any information (and I am sure that you only give the kind of information you are sure about) than writing empty topics (no, I dont mean the Time thread, but most of you know which ones I mean)
Thanks in advance for every comment and help you give in the future!
Thanks in advance for every comment and help you give in the future!
I don't understand the history here John to be honest, but for my part in all of this, it was your reply (where you seemed to be implying) that Greg had said "they do not exist" that caused me the problem.
FD, I think that you misinterpreted what John had actually said. His actual quote was "Therefore over the past four or so years it has just evolved into an easier and quicker explanation to say that "They do not exist"." To me he was just saying that that was the standard reply from QP. Its like when people continually ask about Hangman - and I know that Greg has said there is no studio version of that song - but according to this site http://challenger.hop.ru/queen/bootleggers.shtml its says that there is a quality version recorded by the BBC. Now I dont know if this is true either, but I have a funny feeling that if I was to ask someone at QP about this the "they do not exist" reply would be forthcoming.
And peace to you as well
Dave
I hate taking sides because I dont know either of you, and I dont want to hurt anyones feelings.
So Im with you John. However, I must point out that if another thread is started in favour of GB, then Ill be with him, but just so you know, Ill really be with you, even though he'll think I'm with him. Unless he reads this of course and then that really buggers things up.
So Im with you John. However, I must point out that if another thread is started in favour of GB, then Ill be with him, but just so you know, Ill really be with you, even though he'll think I'm with him. Unless he reads this of course and then that really buggers things up.
I don't understand the history here John to be honest, but for my part in all of this, it was your reply (where you seemed to be implying) that Greg had said "they do not exist" that caused me the problem.
FD, I think that you misinterpreted what John had actually said. His actual quote was "Therefore over the past four or so years it has just evolved into an easier and quicker explanation to say that "They do not exist"." To me he was just saying that that was the standard reply from QP. Its like when people continually ask about Hangman - and I know that Greg has said there is no studio version of that song - but according to this site http://challenger.hop.ru/queen/bootleggers.shtml its says that there is a quality version recorded by the BBC. Now I dont know if this is true either, but I have a funny feeling that if I was to ask someone at QP about this the "they do not exist" reply would be forthcoming.
And peace to you as well
Dave
John rather gave the impression that I was fobbed off with the standard response (that they do not exist, and said that Greg was being a diplomat), I merely asked Greg if that was the case.
I have innocently stepped into a minefield, but all I wanted to know was if I am going to get the bloody tracks before I die or not.
What the hell is the point of keeping these under wraps if we can all get to hear them...life is too short.
Hey guys...
Can someone please tell me who Greg Brooks is ?
Please don't say "oh, he's Queens's Archievist". I KNOW that already, what i want to know is who he is exactly. WHAT does he do exactly besides listen to all the old archieved material and help find rare stuff for the new dvd issues?
I would like some coherent details on this gentlemen please...anyone have some insights? Anyone here meet him? Please help me put my curiousity to rest...all i ever hear when i ask is the "he's Queen's Archeivist" jazz. IS he on the QP payroll? Is he legit? What's the story??
Thanks in advance for any insight you can give me.
Can someone please tell me who Greg Brooks is ?
Please don't say "oh, he's Queens's Archievist". I KNOW that already, what i want to know is who he is exactly. WHAT does he do exactly besides listen to all the old archieved material and help find rare stuff for the new dvd issues?
I would like some coherent details on this gentlemen please...anyone have some insights? Anyone here meet him? Please help me put my curiousity to rest...all i ever hear when i ask is the "he's Queen's Archeivist" jazz. IS he on the QP payroll? Is he legit? What's the story??
Thanks in advance for any insight you can give me.
They are pissed
But a lot of fans still aint gonna hear these goodies >
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But a lot of fans still aint gonna hear these goodies >
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Greg Brook's email to fairydandy is just incredible. I hope QP does not feel represented by this vindictive and insulting email! Nobody ever said there was a "dark secret" - John just said there was a soundboard quality recording available while Greg says he was unable to find it - his email is overreacting to say the least. There is no "myth", no conspiracy theory or anything like this, just an archivist who is for some reason freaking out by the idea he did not find all available material for the Freddie box.
What about the Freddie/Michael Jackson tracks? They are not on the Freddie box, either. Probably for the same reason John suggested for the Dominion songs: copy right problems. Now, if Greg Brooks would claim he was unable to track them down - well, that would be just as unlikely as his claim of being unable to get a copy of the Dominion tracks: if he did not find them, he just did not ask the right people. And as Mike pointed out correctly in the other thread: considering the quality of the Wreckage recordings, sound quality cannot have been the reason to exclude such a historic (Freddie's last live performance)recording from the box.
What about the Freddie/Michael Jackson tracks? They are not on the Freddie box, either. Probably for the same reason John suggested for the Dominion songs: copy right problems. Now, if Greg Brooks would claim he was unable to track them down - well, that would be just as unlikely as his claim of being unable to get a copy of the Dominion tracks: if he did not find them, he just did not ask the right people. And as Mike pointed out correctly in the other thread: considering the quality of the Wreckage recordings, sound quality cannot have been the reason to exclude such a historic (Freddie's last live performance)recording from the box.
Amen YV
It is amazing how an innocent little question exploded into an inferno, all because it was suggested that Greg might have used a little white lie to keep an answer simple.
It is amazing how an innocent little question exploded into an inferno, all because it was suggested that Greg might have used a little white lie to keep an answer simple.
There's obviously a history between Greg & John that most of us will never know.
I have a hunch though...
Greg, as the almighty appointed Queen archivist, is constantly tested and challenged by Queen fans, well-meaning Queen fans and otherwise. Greg has proven himself to hardly be bulletproof in terms of factual accuracy (I still feel ripped off by is Queen Live book), but that's his own fault. It seems to me that any time someone comes along and points out some fact or recording which has previously slipped under his radar, he takes offense and then tries to cover his ass by myriad irrelevant details like availability etc. Bottom line: He's embarrassed, but only at his own laziness. I've said it before & I'll say it again - he's got no one to blame but himself, and that's what's so embarrassing to him. In this case, specifically, it sounds like he's rather red-faced about not having found these recordings in time for the Mercury boxed set, which would have been the ideal venue for their inclusion.
Devout Queen fans have been trying to lend their collective expertise to Greg for years, but have routinely received icy, skeptical, haughty responses. No wonder this one had icicles dangling from it as well.
Let Brooks broil in his own juices - he's earned it.
I have a hunch though...
Greg, as the almighty appointed Queen archivist, is constantly tested and challenged by Queen fans, well-meaning Queen fans and otherwise. Greg has proven himself to hardly be bulletproof in terms of factual accuracy (I still feel ripped off by is Queen Live book), but that's his own fault. It seems to me that any time someone comes along and points out some fact or recording which has previously slipped under his radar, he takes offense and then tries to cover his ass by myriad irrelevant details like availability etc. Bottom line: He's embarrassed, but only at his own laziness. I've said it before & I'll say it again - he's got no one to blame but himself, and that's what's so embarrassing to him. In this case, specifically, it sounds like he's rather red-faced about not having found these recordings in time for the Mercury boxed set, which would have been the ideal venue for their inclusion.
Devout Queen fans have been trying to lend their collective expertise to Greg for years, but have routinely received icy, skeptical, haughty responses. No wonder this one had icicles dangling from it as well.
Let Brooks broil in his own juices - he's earned it.
As for Greg whatsisname, here's hoping that he can do a better job with the proposed updating of his "Queen Live - A Concert Documentary". A book full of inaccuracies
An understatement that is. I submitted over 200 corrections to him for the revised book. Let's see how many of them make the final cut.
There's an obvious antipathy between John and Greg and that's why it's not wise to take any side here. John, you know I always supported you in the past but in some cases it was a mistake and I learnt my lesson - I'm no more sticking my nose into things that are not business.
So who knows where the truth is. Anyway, Greg's reaction went too far, it was pretty far from being polite. And Greg has more reasons to lie than John.
So who knows where the truth is. Anyway, Greg's reaction went too far, it was pretty far from being polite. And Greg has more reasons to lie than John.
I came out from the shadow (there I met our beloved Deaky... I will say hello to him for you) to say my opinion.
I am quite shocked by Greg Brooks public (over)reaction, I'd never have imagined a thing such that. As stated before, there may be some troubles between Greg Brooks and John Stuart so I wouldn't say who I'm with.
All I can say is a big thanks to John S Stuart: sir, despite many envious people who keep on spitting rage on you (just because, sons of the internet era, they would like 1) everything 2) for free 3) now), your infos are amongst the best things I can still get about Queen: nothing you can get, read or acquire elsewhere.
I know how difficult is to get new stuff about the band, so the infos are much appreciated to me; I wish this could be for everyone...
I don't like the way QP is working and I've heard many unpleasant stories about mr. Brooks way to work: I can't judge by myself. I tried to collaborate to the MK dvd release and that's been the only contact I had in my life with him.
All the most rilevant Queen collectors know the truth about the Time live tracks, know why they haven't been released on the FM box set (which is quite far from being the ultimate collection, now, counting also the Jackson demos and some others who no one still know of...) so I wouldn't say John Stuart lied. I could say QP (and Greg Brooks especially) don't like him because he talks too much, but I think he's entitled, as a long life term Queen fan and impressive collector.
I would leave the fights to the 2 of them, but if I had to choose the one I'd like to keep on read on the net... well, I wouldn't hesitate and you already know my choice.
cheers!
I am quite shocked by Greg Brooks public (over)reaction, I'd never have imagined a thing such that. As stated before, there may be some troubles between Greg Brooks and John Stuart so I wouldn't say who I'm with.
All I can say is a big thanks to John S Stuart: sir, despite many envious people who keep on spitting rage on you (just because, sons of the internet era, they would like 1) everything 2) for free 3) now), your infos are amongst the best things I can still get about Queen: nothing you can get, read or acquire elsewhere.
I know how difficult is to get new stuff about the band, so the infos are much appreciated to me; I wish this could be for everyone...
I don't like the way QP is working and I've heard many unpleasant stories about mr. Brooks way to work: I can't judge by myself. I tried to collaborate to the MK dvd release and that's been the only contact I had in my life with him.
All the most rilevant Queen collectors know the truth about the Time live tracks, know why they haven't been released on the FM box set (which is quite far from being the ultimate collection, now, counting also the Jackson demos and some others who no one still know of...) so I wouldn't say John Stuart lied. I could say QP (and Greg Brooks especially) don't like him because he talks too much, but I think he's entitled, as a long life term Queen fan and impressive collector.
I would leave the fights to the 2 of them, but if I had to choose the one I'd like to keep on read on the net... well, I wouldn't hesitate and you already know my choice.
cheers!