“The arsehole who criticised my book...
stop me in the street. Say to me, my name is xxxxxx, and i think your book is inaccurate and etc, etc. etc. Be an adult about it, not a faceless, cowardly creep. Earn some respect.”
Since you seem to be referring to me, all I have to say is this-
I am not an “arsehole” nor a “cowardly creep” as you so kindly put it. I never called you one and see no need for you to do likewise with me. So why don’t you be “adult” about it and show some “respect”.
“BE HONEST and open. OK, my book is crap.”
Again, I never said your book was crap. Ok so maybe my comment was slightly over the top (“a book full of inaccuracies”)and for which I apologise but since my theory was based on two things. Firstly, by watching the Rare live video and wondering what else they played that night, then go to check your book only to find that that info isn’t there and secondly, however right or wrong, by reading what other people have said. Yes my theory is flawed, but it is how I honestly saw it and its only my opinion and at least I’m admitting it. And in defence of your book I have to say this – it was then and no doubt will be in the future – a mammoth task to undertake and I have nothing but admiration for your desire to do so. And I truly wish you well with that.
“But what book did YOU offer. What useful work have YOU offered the Queen fans????”
The simple answer to that is NONE. I have never had any inclination to be a writer at any time period.
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I really cant believe that anyone would promote people putting their real names on a public notice board. I most certainly do not want to take the chance of having some fruitball finding out where I live. The vast majority of people here, post under an pseudonym for this reason, and the vast majority of people here, have not written a book about Queen. You have, and you put your name on that book, that was your choice no one forced you to do it. So if you choose to reply on a public notice board where people have chosen to use nics, then I believe you ought to respect their right to privacy.
Scully, do people know who you are????
well he does have a link to his name, if some one over the age of 3 and is not completely stupid could click the link and find out, I'm sorry that you fail to fit that mold.
6. WHY ARE PEOPLE ON THIS SITE allowed/permitted to write their comments anonymously??????
Pretty sure most ppl here know my name, and most have my address from trades, I simply dont feel like posting my name and address as my user name.
Please if you gonna come here and act like a big shot, at least dont start war,and go off like you did cuz your gonna bow out like most ppl who try, this aint a bunch of 5 years old, we will put you in your place.
well he does have a link to his name, if some one over the age of 3 and is not completely stupid could click the link and find out, I'm sorry that you fail to fit that mold.
6. WHY ARE PEOPLE ON THIS SITE allowed/permitted to write their comments anonymously??????
Pretty sure most ppl here know my name, and most have my address from trades, I simply dont feel like posting my name and address as my user name.
Please if you gonna come here and act like a big shot, at least dont start war,and go off like you did cuz your gonna bow out like most ppl who try, this aint a bunch of 5 years old, we will put you in your place.
Zeny. you make a valid point, you really do, but you also endorse my main rudimentary point absolutely and completely.
Yes, i did assume (wrongly) that i was addresing males with my comments. This was ENTIRELY due to the fact that i had no idea who dandy and fd and hangman and Zeny are - what sex they are, or anything. You created your site that way; no one has a gender or individuality unless you happen to know whose behind the various user names. that's not my fault.
Had i known, or had the remotest clue as to the balance of gender tuned in to this site, i could have phrased my comments accordingly. I think it is fundimentally wrong for you guys to know my real identity, and that of people such as John Stuart, and (apparently) most of everyone else's identity on this site, while I, and no doubt others too, have no idea who we are addressing and being criticised by. It's a ONE SIDED conversation, instead of two sided, as normal in every other walk of human communication.
Zeny (I'm assuming you are feminine, because you do not actually tell me), you wrote this....
'I was really interested by a couple of your points, that is until you started using this gendered language and associating negative traits with feminine qualities. Seems awfully chauvinistic and pigheaded to assume that people that use an alias on a public notice board are womanly and somehow inferior than you.'
Do not let my wrong assumption deter you from commenting on my 'interesting points'. That seems rather shallow and weak; to be put off quite so easily. Stand up and have your say and do not let my chauvinism halt that. You may have some 'issues' to address too, for you to take so personally what was not at all personal. how could i be personal? i did not know your name or sex? i still don't. it is therefore impossible for me to assume i am superior to you or anyone else. you took the wrong inference from my words - though i could have better phrased them.
i was not careful to do so because i figured if you guys cannot even let your identity and gender be known, then i won't worry too much about gender sensitivities. i hope you agree that's a fair compromise your anonymity brought about.
i read carefully your comments about 'some degree of protection against the insane bumpties that post on QZ from time to time' but i see it as a bit of cop out. no offence intended. i think if you guys and girls have things to say, and with such passion, then you owe it to everyone who reads it, like me, and the person you are speaking about, to know who said it. this is normal when two humans talk.
How would you like everyone else in your life to remain secret in terms of identity? It would be unbearable if you never knew who you were talking to, or who it was that just made that comment. You'd say "stop hiding behind that mask, Who are you? Stand up and be accountable for what you say and do." that's all I'm saying SHOULD be the case on your web site.
Then there would be no gender confusion, or other avoidable presumptions caused by not knowing who the hell Zeny is - or what sex this person is. I hope you take my point.
Zeny, you also say...'After all, we've traded back and forth and developed a level of trust'
You haven't got THAT MUCH TRUST if you cannot even trust each other not to abuse the knowledge of your true identity. If you had trust, you'd happily use each others real names and not have to worry about the things you outline. Your entire site is based around aliases - which by their nature suggest absence of confidence and trust. how can you talk about trust?
'To assume that Greg Brooks, or any other person in the world with a dear love of "Freddie," can just pop in and chat "mano y mano" is a bit much.'
i don't understand your point here Miss?/Mrs?/Mr? Zeny.
'Now, if Greg Brooks, Queen Productions, or some reputable collector would like to start a private noticeboard, then I am sure you woul
Yes, i did assume (wrongly) that i was addresing males with my comments. This was ENTIRELY due to the fact that i had no idea who dandy and fd and hangman and Zeny are - what sex they are, or anything. You created your site that way; no one has a gender or individuality unless you happen to know whose behind the various user names. that's not my fault.
Had i known, or had the remotest clue as to the balance of gender tuned in to this site, i could have phrased my comments accordingly. I think it is fundimentally wrong for you guys to know my real identity, and that of people such as John Stuart, and (apparently) most of everyone else's identity on this site, while I, and no doubt others too, have no idea who we are addressing and being criticised by. It's a ONE SIDED conversation, instead of two sided, as normal in every other walk of human communication.
Zeny (I'm assuming you are feminine, because you do not actually tell me), you wrote this....
'I was really interested by a couple of your points, that is until you started using this gendered language and associating negative traits with feminine qualities. Seems awfully chauvinistic and pigheaded to assume that people that use an alias on a public notice board are womanly and somehow inferior than you.'
Do not let my wrong assumption deter you from commenting on my 'interesting points'. That seems rather shallow and weak; to be put off quite so easily. Stand up and have your say and do not let my chauvinism halt that. You may have some 'issues' to address too, for you to take so personally what was not at all personal. how could i be personal? i did not know your name or sex? i still don't. it is therefore impossible for me to assume i am superior to you or anyone else. you took the wrong inference from my words - though i could have better phrased them.
i was not careful to do so because i figured if you guys cannot even let your identity and gender be known, then i won't worry too much about gender sensitivities. i hope you agree that's a fair compromise your anonymity brought about.
i read carefully your comments about 'some degree of protection against the insane bumpties that post on QZ from time to time' but i see it as a bit of cop out. no offence intended. i think if you guys and girls have things to say, and with such passion, then you owe it to everyone who reads it, like me, and the person you are speaking about, to know who said it. this is normal when two humans talk.
How would you like everyone else in your life to remain secret in terms of identity? It would be unbearable if you never knew who you were talking to, or who it was that just made that comment. You'd say "stop hiding behind that mask, Who are you? Stand up and be accountable for what you say and do." that's all I'm saying SHOULD be the case on your web site.
Then there would be no gender confusion, or other avoidable presumptions caused by not knowing who the hell Zeny is - or what sex this person is. I hope you take my point.
Zeny, you also say...'After all, we've traded back and forth and developed a level of trust'
You haven't got THAT MUCH TRUST if you cannot even trust each other not to abuse the knowledge of your true identity. If you had trust, you'd happily use each others real names and not have to worry about the things you outline. Your entire site is based around aliases - which by their nature suggest absence of confidence and trust. how can you talk about trust?
'To assume that Greg Brooks, or any other person in the world with a dear love of "Freddie," can just pop in and chat "mano y mano" is a bit much.'
i don't understand your point here Miss?/Mrs?/Mr? Zeny.
'Now, if Greg Brooks, Queen Productions, or some reputable collector would like to start a private noticeboard, then I am sure you woul
Real names are overrated. Someone nicknamed "Karaoke Queen" (KQ) was a Serious Queen collector and was as well respected as John Stuart. He chose to use an alias, but created an discrete identity for that name that Queen zoners trusted.
Also I do not need to know Mr. Scully's real name, although I recall his first name is Martin (I forget his last name). His identity to me is his web page plus his alias at Queen Zone.
In reality, Greg, you are almost faceless as us at Queenzone. We know you are a writer for Record Collector, wrote "Queen Live", and are now Queen's archivist, but little else (and that is more than we need to know).
Do you plan to tell us about your wife and kids and where you live? Give us your home phone number?
Of course not.
Queenzoners generally do not publish personal information on the internet (including their name) for obvious reasons. However one can usually see the identity behind the alias.
The only problem with aliases, is that sometimes an unreputable poster will hide behind a fake alias. That has not happened to you at Queenzone.
Also I do not need to know Mr. Scully's real name, although I recall his first name is Martin (I forget his last name). His identity to me is his web page plus his alias at Queen Zone.
In reality, Greg, you are almost faceless as us at Queenzone. We know you are a writer for Record Collector, wrote "Queen Live", and are now Queen's archivist, but little else (and that is more than we need to know).
Do you plan to tell us about your wife and kids and where you live? Give us your home phone number?
Of course not.
Queenzoners generally do not publish personal information on the internet (including their name) for obvious reasons. However one can usually see the identity behind the alias.
The only problem with aliases, is that sometimes an unreputable poster will hide behind a fake alias. That has not happened to you at Queenzone.
How hypocritical of you - GB is not your actual name, now is it? Granted, you state in your signature there that your name is Greg Brooks, but if you're being so critical of a handle on a messageboard, you should at least put up or shut up and have your real name as your handle.
Of course, Lester Burnham isn't mine, but I'd rather not reveal that information.
I'm not going to get involved in this, other than to say that you, Greg Brooks, are being extremely oversensitive and childish as to what people on THE INTERNET have to say about you. I think you should be worrying about other things - like getting those fucking box sets out - as opposed to a battle with Queen fans.
Of course, Lester Burnham isn't mine, but I'd rather not reveal that information.
I'm not going to get involved in this, other than to say that you, Greg Brooks, are being extremely oversensitive and childish as to what people on THE INTERNET have to say about you. I think you should be worrying about other things - like getting those fucking box sets out - as opposed to a battle with Queen fans.
Zeny. you make a valid point, you really do, but you also endorse my main rudimentary point absolutely and completely.
As you did mine. More on that later.
I think it is fundimentally wrong for you guys to know my real identity, and that of people such as John Stuart, and (apparently) most of everyone else's identity on this site, while I, and no doubt others too, have no idea who we are addressing and being criticised by. It's a ONE SIDED conversation, instead of two sided, as normal in every other walk of human communication.
You cannot expect to enter into a coversation and have everyone introduce themselves, even in the real world. If you want to know us, then stick around. Now, I agree that it is not proper that people call you names and insult you when they don't know you, (JSS's opinions aside, as he has had contact you in the past) The reason they do this has less to do with Greg Brooks, Englishman, and more to do with Greg Brooks, Queen Productions employee. Like it or not, you are a public representative of QP. I have no doubt that most people wouldn't say squat to your face in a private conversation. But as long as you represent QP, you will inevitably receive public criticism. Unfair, yes, but the reality, I'm sure.
You may have some 'issues' to address too, for you to take so personally what was not at all personal. how could i be personal? i did not know your name or sex? i still don't. it is therefore impossible for me to assume i am superior to you or anyone else. you took the wrong inference from my words - though i could have better phrased them.
i was not careful to do so because i figured if you guys cannot even let your identity and gender be known, then i won't worry too much about gender sensitivities. i hope you agree that's a fair compromise your anonymity brought about.
No, no it's not. Effectively, what you are saying is "I didn't know there were woman listening, so it's ok that I made biased comments." Negative behavior is negative behavior, regardless of the context or audience.
i read carefully your comments about 'some degree of protection against the insane bumpties that post on QZ from time to time' but i see it as a bit of cop out. no offence intended.
None taken. Allow me a personal example. Due to someone else putting my personal information online without my consent, I was contacted by an individual I would rather have never seen again. My privacy was violated inadvertantly.
Now, it's no secret that QZ has it's share of trolls here, and we have all seen one troll in particular post personal info on some users out of spite. That's a situation that most of us want to avoid.
Zeny, you also say...'After all, we've traded back and forth and developed a level of trust'
You haven't got THAT MUCH TRUST if you cannot even trust each other not to abuse the knowledge of your true identity. If you had trust, you'd happily use each others real names and not have to worry about the things you outline. Your entire site is based around aliases - which by their nature suggest absence of confidence and trust. how can you talk about trust?
Yes, I do, but again, the aliases are for the public notice board. We have conversations that exist outside this public arena, whether through email, instant messages, chat rooms, or, for some, face to face meetings. Many users here were at the recent Dutch convention you attend, but yet they still use aliases on the board. Does the fact that I address Wstussyb, pma, or YourValentine by their internet nicknames diminish their trust in me any? No.
'To assume that Greg Brooks, or any other person in the world with a dear love of "Freddie," can just pop in and chat "mano y mano" is a bit much.'
i don't understand your point here Miss?/Mrs?/Mr? Zeny.
Greg, you've chosen the wrong person for your rhetorical question - as I have several websites, everybody (who wants) can find out my real name and home address (maybe telephone number too) after five minutes at max.
(And you know it anyway, after Jacky wrote it to you several years ago - do you remember our argument?)
(And you know it anyway, after Jacky wrote it to you several years ago - do you remember our argument?)
"Greg Brooks" said:
> Had i known, or had the remotest clue as to the balance of gender tuned in to this site, i could have phrased my comments accordingly.
... sorry, English is not my native language so I need to ask for clarification: does that mean you speak of women as your equals in their presence only, and as inferiors in their absence...?
Thank you very much.
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Gnomo
> Had i known, or had the remotest clue as to the balance of gender tuned in to this site, i could have phrased my comments accordingly.
... sorry, English is not my native language so I need to ask for clarification: does that mean you speak of women as your equals in their presence only, and as inferiors in their absence...?
Thank you very much.
--
Gnomo
Hi All
I just thought that I'd add my own thoughts to this thread.
How bad does this have to get before you all drop it..hey?
After reading the original thread that lead to this debate I can see why everyone has got so hot under the collar - but give it a rest.
JSS - You make fair and relevant points on here but in a way that makes everyone else feel inferior. The one time I did make contact with you when you requested help with something or another (I forget what it was now) I found you rude and arrogant.
To call employees of Qp 'Liars' is a hardly diplomatic thing to do - and I see your attack on Greg Brooks as the 1st stone cast.
Greg must be really pissed off to read time and time again personal insults about himself on various Queen boards, and I think that anyone would get to a point where they felt they had to speak out.
Without Greg do you think there would have been a Freddie Mercury Box Set released? Do you think there would be a hope in hell of the Anthology box sets (Yes - I live in hope) ever appearing.
Face it - Greg does a good job and has always tried to help us mere mortals when and where he can.
I remember not so long ago Jacky Smith was the target of these boards.
All I can say is DON'T alienate those at QP - or where would we be???
FBG!!!
real name - MARIE WHITTAKER (and not embarrassed to reveal it)
I just thought that I'd add my own thoughts to this thread.
How bad does this have to get before you all drop it..hey?
After reading the original thread that lead to this debate I can see why everyone has got so hot under the collar - but give it a rest.
JSS - You make fair and relevant points on here but in a way that makes everyone else feel inferior. The one time I did make contact with you when you requested help with something or another (I forget what it was now) I found you rude and arrogant.
To call employees of Qp 'Liars' is a hardly diplomatic thing to do - and I see your attack on Greg Brooks as the 1st stone cast.
Greg must be really pissed off to read time and time again personal insults about himself on various Queen boards, and I think that anyone would get to a point where they felt they had to speak out.
Without Greg do you think there would have been a Freddie Mercury Box Set released? Do you think there would be a hope in hell of the Anthology box sets (Yes - I live in hope) ever appearing.
Face it - Greg does a good job and has always tried to help us mere mortals when and where he can.
I remember not so long ago Jacky Smith was the target of these boards.
All I can say is DON'T alienate those at QP - or where would we be???
FBG!!!
real name - MARIE WHITTAKER (and not embarrassed to reveal it)
Marie, you have yourself admitted that you're Greg's good friend - so you can hardly be blamed for defending Greg and you can hardly blame others for criticizing him. Others are in a different position than you.
"All I can say is DON'T alienate those at QP - or where would we be???"
Truth? Without Jacky we'd already be in the 21st century :-) But that's a different issue :-)
"All I can say is DON'T alienate those at QP - or where would we be???"
Truth? Without Jacky we'd already be in the 21st century :-) But that's a different issue :-)
"Greg Brooks" said:
>>> Had i known, or had the remotest clue as to the balance of gender tuned in to this site, i could have phrased my comments accordingly.
===... sorry, English is not my native language so I need to ask for clarification: does that mean you speak of women as your equals in their presence only, and as inferiors in their absence...?
=== Thank you very much.
=== Gnomo
OH DEAR, GOMO. HOW TOUCHY YOU ARE ABOUT THIS MATTER. RELAX. 'WOMEN BEING EQUEL OR INFERIOR' IS NOT THE DEBATE. ANYONE STUPID ENOUGH TO THINK THE TWO SEXES ARE NOT ABSOLUTELY EQUEL IS A MORON, AND NOT WORTH YOUR TIME ANYWAY. WHY GET SO HOT UNDER THE COLLARE ABOUT SUCH THINGS NOT EVEN PART OF THE DEBATING ON THIS SITE.
RELAX, CHILL OUT, CALM YOURSELF. YOUR BLOOD PRESSURE WILL CREEP UP IF YOU GET INTO EQUEL RIGHTS ISSUES AND INFERIORITY IMPLICATIONS. THAT'S FAR TOO DEEP.
I WAS NOT QUESTIONING THAT.
YOU ARE TOO TENSE. TOO STRESSED. TOO WILING TO REACT WHEN NOTHING WAS MEANT IN THAT VANE.
ARE YOU UNDER PRESSURE?
>>> Had i known, or had the remotest clue as to the balance of gender tuned in to this site, i could have phrased my comments accordingly.
===... sorry, English is not my native language so I need to ask for clarification: does that mean you speak of women as your equals in their presence only, and as inferiors in their absence...?
=== Thank you very much.
=== Gnomo
OH DEAR, GOMO. HOW TOUCHY YOU ARE ABOUT THIS MATTER. RELAX. 'WOMEN BEING EQUEL OR INFERIOR' IS NOT THE DEBATE. ANYONE STUPID ENOUGH TO THINK THE TWO SEXES ARE NOT ABSOLUTELY EQUEL IS A MORON, AND NOT WORTH YOUR TIME ANYWAY. WHY GET SO HOT UNDER THE COLLARE ABOUT SUCH THINGS NOT EVEN PART OF THE DEBATING ON THIS SITE.
RELAX, CHILL OUT, CALM YOURSELF. YOUR BLOOD PRESSURE WILL CREEP UP IF YOU GET INTO EQUEL RIGHTS ISSUES AND INFERIORITY IMPLICATIONS. THAT'S FAR TOO DEEP.
I WAS NOT QUESTIONING THAT.
YOU ARE TOO TENSE. TOO STRESSED. TOO WILING TO REACT WHEN NOTHING WAS MEANT IN THAT VANE.
ARE YOU UNDER PRESSURE?
I don't think this is the Greg Brooks from QP.
Pff, can someone ban him please? No surprise the boxsets don't get released if he's going to post all those long posts here.
Someone here... fd, or anyone, tell me why you do this. What is your reason that you do not let us all who you are?? I CANNOT SEE A GOOD REASON FOR THIS. CAN ANYONE GIVE ME A GOOD REASON PLEASE?
Sure. There are too many wankers online who will use the information against you.
I really do appreciate what you are saying though Greg (if you are really Greg) and if you want my real name then you can gladly have it in a private e mail.
The user name stays on here though, not negotiable.