The beginning of the solo is faded in, I guess it is done with the volume knob, not backwards. I havent listened to the song for a while, but I think it is just faded in per volume pedal or knob.
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Lester: "...I seem to recall that 'Back Chat's original working title was 'Wooly Hat', not 'Body Language'.
Yes, that is correct. It was a "cut and paste edit" mistake, but on my original notes - they too state that "Backchat" was "Wooly Hat". I have edited the above post accordingly.
Lester: "...an unreleased version of 'There Must Be More To Life Than This' was recorded for "Hot Space", though that's more of a rumor than anything".
I was lead to believe that "There Must Be More To Life Than This" (especially the MJ/Freddie duet) was recorded around about the time of "The Works".
Certainly, it would have been recorded between "Hot Space" and "The Works", so either is possible.
Without access to the original sessions, I have this track in my "Works" listings - simply because it was supposed to be replaced at the last minute by "Is This The World We Created?". Now granted, this does not exclude "There Must Be More..." as an earlier recording, but as it was replaced by another "Works" track, that is where I keep it.
PS: Also remember it eventually appeared on Freddie's solo album. I don't think Freddie would have invested in a song as old as "Hot Space" - do you? (Serious question!)
Yes, that is correct. It was a "cut and paste edit" mistake, but on my original notes - they too state that "Backchat" was "Wooly Hat". I have edited the above post accordingly.
Lester: "...an unreleased version of 'There Must Be More To Life Than This' was recorded for "Hot Space", though that's more of a rumor than anything".
I was lead to believe that "There Must Be More To Life Than This" (especially the MJ/Freddie duet) was recorded around about the time of "The Works".
Certainly, it would have been recorded between "Hot Space" and "The Works", so either is possible.
Without access to the original sessions, I have this track in my "Works" listings - simply because it was supposed to be replaced at the last minute by "Is This The World We Created?". Now granted, this does not exclude "There Must Be More..." as an earlier recording, but as it was replaced by another "Works" track, that is where I keep it.
PS: Also remember it eventually appeared on Freddie's solo album. I don't think Freddie would have invested in a song as old as "Hot Space" - do you? (Serious question!)
It's very likely, though, in relation to Freddie reusing such an old song. To paraphrase him, he once said that if he has belief in a song, he'll keep at it until he's pleased with it - so maybe the band tried to record the song, but it wasn't to his satisfaction. Keep in mind, too, that it could've possibly been recorded in 1982, and the sessions started for his solo album the next year.
What's even more likely is that it was originally written for Hot Space, but not recorded - much like Sheer Heart Attack in 1974 but kept off an album until 1977.
Of course, I'm not saying it exists, because I haven't heard it, but maybe the germ of an idea started during the Hot Space sessions and was worked more fully for The Works.
What's even more likely is that it was originally written for Hot Space, but not recorded - much like Sheer Heart Attack in 1974 but kept off an album until 1977.
Of course, I'm not saying it exists, because I haven't heard it, but maybe the germ of an idea started during the Hot Space sessions and was worked more fully for The Works.
Lester: Very possible on all accounts - but until that "germ" is confirmed - I prefer "The Works" theory. (Simply because I can "kind" of place/date the Michael Jackson/ Freddie Mercury version).
But I agree that the track could have been a germ of an idea before this, and that it could have been recorded pre/early "Works". However, when I listen to the FM/MJ duet (Sorry - am I allowed to say that?) - it seems that they are both working through the track, which kind of negates the earlier germ idea - or does it? (Another serious question!)
But I agree that the track could have been a germ of an idea before this, and that it could have been recorded pre/early "Works". However, when I listen to the FM/MJ duet (Sorry - am I allowed to say that?) - it seems that they are both working through the track, which kind of negates the earlier germ idea - or does it? (Another serious question!)
That's sort of what I think, too, as I have heard the MJ/FM duet (taboo!!), and while the melody and first verse appears to have been written, there doesn't seem to be very much else.
However, that's only what I'd heard, but with the assistance of logical discussion, it helps discredit rumor from fact.
Now, what're your thoughts on The Game sessions! :)
However, that's only what I'd heard, but with the assistance of logical discussion, it helps discredit rumor from fact.
Now, what're your thoughts on The Game sessions! :)
How about Lullabies with a difference, what is that?
Ive never heard about that before, and in your list it says it was released in 98'?
Ive never heard about that before, and in your list it says it was released in 98'?
That's sort of what I think, too, as I have heard the MJ/FM duet (taboo!!), and while the melody and first verse appears to have been written, there doesn't seem to be very much else.
However, that's only what I'd heard, but with the assistance of logical discussion, it helps discredit rumor from fact.
Now, what're your thoughts on The Game sessions! :)
What I think is that the freddie vs Michael version was recorded before Queen or Freddie solo recorded There must be more to life, because on the freddie vs michael demo, they are just fooling around to see what works best, and although they already seem to have the structure of the song they don't have the lyrics finished.
Absolutely. I too have heard that idea of TMBMTLTT being replaced with ITTWWC. Does anyone remember that fan club blurb where they said John had been working on a remix of the Queen version of the track?
Peace,
Adam.
Peace,
Adam.
I love reading threads like this...please...MORE MORE!!
thank you JSS, Lester, Adam, and everyone else that posts valuable info about the music.
:)
thank you JSS, Lester, Adam, and everyone else that posts valuable info about the music.
:)
Quite amazing to learn that there were minidiscs in 1981/1982 indeed.
Deacon Fan... Revisited: "Quite amazing to learn that there were minidiscs in 1981/1982 indeed"
Try visiting this link:
http://www.queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q_FORUM_ID=1&Q_FORUM_NAME=Queen&TOPIC_SUBJECT=Unreleased+Songs&Q=346342&page=2
"Mini disc was not invented pre 1990. Therefore an entry like - "Highlander TV Series Intro Version Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc" - does NOT refer to the ORIGINAL master recording, but a recording which exists in MY personal collection. Therefore, "Silver Salmon" could also be correctly (personally) catalogued as "Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc".
However, some comprehensive lists that are repeatedly posted (here and on other sites) are actually plagerised from my own, including the senseless, out-of-context references to minidisc technology.
I actually I enjoy the confusion this creates - because it identifies those who are willing to pass of my work as their own".
Hope this satisfies your curiosity.
Try visiting this link:
http://www.queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q_FORUM_ID=1&Q_FORUM_NAME=Queen&TOPIC_SUBJECT=Unreleased+Songs&Q=346342&page=2
"Mini disc was not invented pre 1990. Therefore an entry like - "Highlander TV Series Intro Version Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc" - does NOT refer to the ORIGINAL master recording, but a recording which exists in MY personal collection. Therefore, "Silver Salmon" could also be correctly (personally) catalogued as "Unreleased: Home Mini-Disc".
However, some comprehensive lists that are repeatedly posted (here and on other sites) are actually plagerised from my own, including the senseless, out-of-context references to minidisc technology.
I actually I enjoy the confusion this creates - because it identifies those who are willing to pass of my work as their own".
Hope this satisfies your curiosity.
I believe John addressed that in another thread, where it was questioned by someone, and he said that it was transferred to Minidisc in an attempt to pull one over on plagiarists who would copy the information to their webspace and try to pass it off as their own.
EDIT: seems that Mr. Stuart has beaten me to the punch. Curse you!
EDIT: seems that Mr. Stuart has beaten me to the punch. Curse you!
Lester: I can't understand it. We began this topic as a serious question and answer session between ourselves and EddieVanHalen.
It has been polite. It has been informative. It has benefited all who took part. (Myself included).
So please tell me why there are still those who would wish to scupper this dialogue?
Do you think it is a deliberate ploy to "divide and conquer"? Do you think the trivialisation is supposed to destroy my credability in some way? In sum - do you think Queen Productions are trying to prevent fans from discussing anything other than the musical?
Ofcourse I jest, but I wonder, what are the real points of such mail - other than to make me look like a tw*t?
It has been polite. It has been informative. It has benefited all who took part. (Myself included).
So please tell me why there are still those who would wish to scupper this dialogue?
Do you think it is a deliberate ploy to "divide and conquer"? Do you think the trivialisation is supposed to destroy my credability in some way? In sum - do you think Queen Productions are trying to prevent fans from discussing anything other than the musical?
Ofcourse I jest, but I wonder, what are the real points of such mail - other than to make me look like a tw*t?
I'm under the assumption that it's a conspiracy theory against baked ham. Then again, I haven't had lunch yet, so I would be inclined to think that.
Anyway, there will always be people out to discredit other peoples' information, and there will always be people to nitpick and scrutinize other peoples' words. Those people are generally interested not in creating intelligent conversation, but in making other people appear to be fools.
You can't please everyone, unfortunately.
Anyway, there will always be people out to discredit other peoples' information, and there will always be people to nitpick and scrutinize other peoples' words. Those people are generally interested not in creating intelligent conversation, but in making other people appear to be fools.
You can't please everyone, unfortunately.
Yes indeed. I'm sure John is the only collector with a minidisc recorder.