Adam, I am a 'versionist' myself and I coincide with your understanding of version lists.
As for adding something interesting (?) to this particular list: Have you noticed at the very end of the suposedly fifth (? - the one that starts with Freddie asking for the song) take of Silver Salmon that there is a little bit of a Liar-reminiscent percussion (could it be Liar itself) and then the piano intro of Seven Seas Of Rhye could be heard for a second or two? I know I should include this info in the QUEEN thread, but the tempo of the version is like the one on QUEEN II (or faster).
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Now this sounds cool. How long does it run for?
Well, I found something more: the early version of Procession as can be heard at the Golder's Green Hippodrome on 1973-09-13.
I will link it soon.
As another "versionist", my view is that
1. Anything not generated by the band should not be included (fan mixes, no matter how good, will only serve to confuse)
2. Deliberate variations (stand alone edits) should be separated from accidental ones (mastering errors etc), but both should be included.
3. Brian adding random guitar to radio played tracks should not be included, but should perhaps be listed as "live" performances.
1. Anything not generated by the band should not be included (fan mixes, no matter how good, will only serve to confuse)
2. Deliberate variations (stand alone edits) should be separated from accidental ones (mastering errors etc), but both should be included.
3. Brian adding random guitar to radio played tracks should not be included, but should perhaps be listed as "live" performances.
I would also like to add this final footnote...
There is NO BBC Version of "March Of The Black Queen"... they just employed the album version!
A true BBC Version never did exist, that is all just a myth!
There is NO BBC Version of "March Of The Black Queen"... they just employed the album version!
A true BBC Version never did exist, that is all just a myth!
I agree with your three rules. In fact, my own lists consider them.
There is indeed no BBC recording of March Of The Black Queen. However, the BBC version of March Of The Black Queen is not the regular album version but a stand-alone one.
There is indeed no BBC recording of March Of The Black Queen. However, the BBC version of March Of The Black Queen is not the regular album version but a stand-alone one.
How about this from Record Collector, June 2001:
"'March Of The Black Queen', as you might expect, is the other showpiece track from this session. Penned by Freddie, the version found on the album encompasses everything within the extensive Queen repertoire, and then some. Although Freddie deviates little from the familiar lyrics, he offers the odd ad-lib by way of extra interest. In essence, this recording of "Black Queen" sounds more like a remix of the original version, rather than a new session take".
Are you absolutely sure there are no tiny little vocal differences in the track, as RC seem to think there are?
Is it not possible that, like Tenement Funster say, the only difference between the BBC and album version is that a new, near identical, lead vocal track was used, and in the case of TMOTBQ the vocal track was so similar to the original most people haven't noticed the difference?
[Edit: I didn't notice this very same point had been made in the 'Nevermore' thread].
"'March Of The Black Queen', as you might expect, is the other showpiece track from this session. Penned by Freddie, the version found on the album encompasses everything within the extensive Queen repertoire, and then some. Although Freddie deviates little from the familiar lyrics, he offers the odd ad-lib by way of extra interest. In essence, this recording of "Black Queen" sounds more like a remix of the original version, rather than a new session take".
Are you absolutely sure there are no tiny little vocal differences in the track, as RC seem to think there are?
Is it not possible that, like Tenement Funster say, the only difference between the BBC and album version is that a new, near identical, lead vocal track was used, and in the case of TMOTBQ the vocal track was so similar to the original most people haven't noticed the difference?
[Edit: I didn't notice this very same point had been made in the 'Nevermore' thread].
I think what John meant is that nothing new was added to March Of The Black Queen during the BBC recording session. They just used what they had for the album at the time.
I assure you there is NO BBC "...Black Queen". "Record Collector" is not the bible, and has printed oft-repeated mistakes.
This is a myth. There is NO "Black Queen", There is no stand-alone version - you can even hear the fade into "Funny How Love is". It is THE released LP version.
SirGH: I keep saying, if the BBC version of Black Queen was nothing interesting, then why wasn't it shared along with the others?"
It HAS!!!!!!
The BBC "Black Queen" HAS been released - not officially - but it is out there. It was even in the hub - and I know that for a fact. It's just that you guys will not believe it. It has been shared over and over and over. My copy IS an original session recording - NOT a copy from copy!
NO "...Black Queen".
Sorry.
This is a myth. There is NO "Black Queen", There is no stand-alone version - you can even hear the fade into "Funny How Love is". It is THE released LP version.
SirGH: I keep saying, if the BBC version of Black Queen was nothing interesting, then why wasn't it shared along with the others?"
It HAS!!!!!!
The BBC "Black Queen" HAS been released - not officially - but it is out there. It was even in the hub - and I know that for a fact. It's just that you guys will not believe it. It has been shared over and over and over. My copy IS an original session recording - NOT a copy from copy!
NO "...Black Queen".
Sorry.
Sorry for being so late on this. There is another version of White Queen to be added. I have a tape and the LP of an album that was produced for and sold in former East Germany, and White Queen indeed starts with Freddie's voice immediately, as is said here, not with the short intro: http://www.queenpicturehall.com/albums/qnonqddr.shtml
Regards
Jan
Regards
Jan
Digging up an old topic, but MOTBQ/FHLI seem no different on my copy of "Cassette TC M-M EMI TC EMA 767."
Is it perhaps a miss-press?
Is it perhaps a miss-press?
GinjaNinja wrote: Digging up an old topic, but MOTBQ/FHLI seem no different on my copy of "Cassette TC M-M EMI TC EMA 767."
Is it perhaps a miss-press?
Indeed I too have never heard of the mentioned 'stand alone' version of these songs.
Maybe JSS can explain his addition of FHLI (cassette version) to this list.
It would be very fascinating (if it is a stand-alone) to get a sound sample of this version.
Is it perhaps a miss-press?
Indeed I too have never heard of the mentioned 'stand alone' version of these songs.
Maybe JSS can explain his addition of FHLI (cassette version) to this list.
It would be very fascinating (if it is a stand-alone) to get a sound sample of this version.