"...have just one KNOWN version...".
I guess all songs have been transformed over the recording session, so there are thousands of versions, but not all of their first versions have been recorded.
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I would like to add the infamous In The Lap Of The Gods from Hollywood Record's first pressing of SHA, as it does not seem to be a transfer error but a different master. Also, I wonder why the KEWB version of Killer Queen is included in the above list while other 'radio perfomances' of tracks from the same album are not. I am not criticizing. I just suppose that, as with the edits, you had your reasons. By the way, I can send you a copy of the full fanfarre stuff if you like me to.
About Live at Rainbow: I have and old reel of the original 20-minute (?) cinema footage. It has mono audio. Unfortunately, I haven't played it yet as I cannot find the right equipment nor a company to transfer it to DVD without stepping on VHS. Anyway, I wonder if anybody has any info about that edit of the concert.
About Live at Rainbow: I have and old reel of the original 20-minute (?) cinema footage. It has mono audio. Unfortunately, I haven't played it yet as I cannot find the right equipment nor a company to transfer it to DVD without stepping on VHS. Anyway, I wonder if anybody has any info about that edit of the concert.
Wilki: "By the way, I can send you a copy of the full fanfarre stuff if you like me to".
Would that be possible and we could link it here (or somewhere else).
If you have the full copy, where does it come from?
Would that be possible and we could link it here (or somewhere else).
If you have the full copy, where does it come from?
I will make space and upload it soon to my (forthcoming) site.
I have borrowed this track a long time ago from a friend who was a Frank Zappa collector. Apparently, FZ used the same stuff (not quite the same part though) in one of his tracks - and my friend had the original vinyl from where it came
(unfortunately, I cannot find my notes about this particular LP - it seems that I am getting older ;-).
I also have the Zappa track (I do not recall its title either - I AM getting older, see?) if somebody wants it.
I have borrowed this track a long time ago from a friend who was a Frank Zappa collector. Apparently, FZ used the same stuff (not quite the same part though) in one of his tracks - and my friend had the original vinyl from where it came
(unfortunately, I cannot find my notes about this particular LP - it seems that I am getting older ;-).
I also have the Zappa track (I do not recall its title either - I AM getting older, see?) if somebody wants it.
is the Soundcheck (from the Uris Theatre show) actually from Oxford '73? or is it just a similar soundcheck, or is Oxford fake?
....so I guess we can conclude, that to the best of JSS's knowledge, there's little in existance that most of us have yet to hear from either Queen II or Sheer Heart Attack.....
...and that's probably because nothing else was recorded rather than anything being lost?
...and that's probably because nothing else was recorded rather than anything being lost?
Yes. But remember that you can always create new 'unreleased' stuff if you have access to the master tapes (á la FM Solo Collection).
Because John doesn't list them, it doesn't mean there is no alternate version of those songs. It means John doesn't have an alternate version. Correct me if i'm wrong john..
I'm sure there's more. Isn't John just listing his personal collection?
Seems like your very important point was completely ignored... Hmmm... I was actually wandering myslef- John, you're stating categorically that Hangman will not appear on the box set- you have the acetate... Was it only ONE Ccopy or maybe you own / know all the copies...? I seem to remember that the last time QP stated that it doesn't exist was some 2-3 years ago, wasn't it? (correct me!) Recently they're not saying ANYTHING about rarities... How the hell do we know they didn't get it from somewhere else...? And- more importantly- are you sure that what is listed here (and in other threads) is absolutely all there is / was...? The same way you have an acetate of Hangman someone else can have an acetate of some other track or some other version and IS willing to donate (or alreday donated ) it to QP? Don't get me wrong John, but... I think I just would like to believe that there's more... How can you be so sure that there isn't...? How do you know that apart from what you have/know there's absolutely nothing else...? Just a question, not attack!!!
Fenderek: Good questions - the truth is I can't give any guarantees. As far as I know, there are no other copies of a "Hangman" studio version.
This information is also coupled with all the denial's coming from the Queen camp. Ofcourse, I can not pre-empt QP, (nor can I assume that they are liars), all I can work on is from "best information available", and state that the source of this info - comes from Queen themselves. (I believe that GB is on record as saying it does NOT exist. Try a Google search to find this).
To add some further weight to this position - I have first hand experience from the Freddie box-set, that without my contribution some tracks on that set would not "officially" exist. Other tracks, still don't.
(That is NOT a brag - but meant to be an honest answer to an honest question).
So - without access to the archives - or not knowing what other folks have in their collection, I can only act on the most reliable information available and act accordingly.
All I can say is that "if" another "Hangman" turns up then that may well be released. But I honestly think that the chances of that happening are very slim indeed.
This information is also coupled with all the denial's coming from the Queen camp. Ofcourse, I can not pre-empt QP, (nor can I assume that they are liars), all I can work on is from "best information available", and state that the source of this info - comes from Queen themselves. (I believe that GB is on record as saying it does NOT exist. Try a Google search to find this).
To add some further weight to this position - I have first hand experience from the Freddie box-set, that without my contribution some tracks on that set would not "officially" exist. Other tracks, still don't.
(That is NOT a brag - but meant to be an honest answer to an honest question).
So - without access to the archives - or not knowing what other folks have in their collection, I can only act on the most reliable information available and act accordingly.
All I can say is that "if" another "Hangman" turns up then that may well be released. But I honestly think that the chances of that happening are very slim indeed.
What does this all mean???? It's really vague!!!
This information is also coupled with all the denial's coming from the Queen camp. Ofcourse, I can not pre-empt QP, (nor can I assume that they are liars), all I can work on is from "best information available", and state that the source of this info - comes from Queen themselves.
Thanks- that's the answer I wanted- and well, Greg was here... What information did he leave...? Keep oN good work- I already learned a lot from those threads- was just wandering how exactly does it work. Are they really that hopeless...?
>vage
Or is it just simply:
If another copy exists, there's a 50/50 chance it will be on the official release, but John's copy will not be used.
If another DOES exist, I'm willing to bet that it won't be included because it will make Greg look ridiculous after years of saying that it categorically does not exist.
And we couldn't have that now, could we?
Or is it just simply:
If another copy exists, there's a 50/50 chance it will be on the official release, but John's copy will not be used.
If another DOES exist, I'm willing to bet that it won't be included because it will make Greg look ridiculous after years of saying that it categorically does not exist.
And we couldn't have that now, could we?
But regarding the Hangman acetate John, you mentioned in your original post that "these acetates were traded on the open market 20 years ago" (possibly not verbatim).
Now that to me implies that at least a handful of these (it obviously could mean just two, but my ears hear "quite a few") were circulating back then. Surely only serious collectors would have picked these up? They're not gonna lose these or damage them in any way, are they?
These copies have to still be around, treasured by serious collectors like yourself, and then the problem is simply one of QP locating these people.
Or is bullock-faeces emanating from my oral orifice?
Now that to me implies that at least a handful of these (it obviously could mean just two, but my ears hear "quite a few") were circulating back then. Surely only serious collectors would have picked these up? They're not gonna lose these or damage them in any way, are they?
These copies have to still be around, treasured by serious collectors like yourself, and then the problem is simply one of QP locating these people.
Or is bullock-faeces emanating from my oral orifice?
FriedChicken: I do not tend to ignore mails. Any points you made (or need to make) - I thought were answered in the thread below. Also, because of certain other commitments (work, family whatever) there are times when I leave the board for long periods - sometimes days - so it is not always possible to answer with an immediate response.
So here is the thread to the answers of those points:
http://www.queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q_FORUM_ID=1&Q_FORUM_NAME=Queen&TOPIC_SUBJECT=To+GB.+Queen+Boxsets%3a+The+untold+Story.+(What+we+are+NOT+supposed+to+know)&Q=408596&page=1
Fenderek: Let me simply say, NO other "Hangman" acetate exists, and all known evidence points to this. All known collectors and even Queen productions themselves say this. Therefore in my opinion it will NOT be in the boxsets - because I am NOT willing to share this with QP.
brianburnsdavid: The problem with a hypothetical question, is that it can only be resolved with a hypothetical answer. As both question and answer are worthless, on what can we build a solid case?
Therefore the hypothetical situation: "what if someone else were to find an other acetate, could QP use that one instead? Then hypothetically the answer could be "yes".
However, this line of reasoning, (I think) is based more in hope than reality, as it fails to take account of the fact that these discs are very fragile, deteroiate with playing and finally that at most, only 3 or 4 would have been cut, so chances of a release must be millions to one. (Then again, Brian May does own an acetate of the De Lane Lea sessions - but in the absence of any further info, I believe the above to be true).
I hope that clears things up a little for you!
The most important bit of info for me though is, whatever happened to the version on the master tapes? It is possible it was never recorded, but if an acetate was cut - why was it not on tape too?
Bohardy: When I wrote "THESE acetates were traded on the open market 20 years ago" I did not mean that plural "Hangman" discs existed. If read in the context of the thread - I meant that "THESE FOUR" Trident One-sided 10" acetates: Hangman, Rock 'n roll (Jailhouse Rock), Jesus and Keep Yourself Alive - were all bought as a set (not traded) about 20/5 years ago, and by "open" market I mean outside QP. That is "these four acetates" became publically available. So in context "plural" or "these" does not mean more than one "Hangman".
Sorry.
So here is the thread to the answers of those points:
http://www.queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q_FORUM_ID=1&Q_FORUM_NAME=Queen&TOPIC_SUBJECT=To+GB.+Queen+Boxsets%3a+The+untold+Story.+(What+we+are+NOT+supposed+to+know)&Q=408596&page=1
Fenderek: Let me simply say, NO other "Hangman" acetate exists, and all known evidence points to this. All known collectors and even Queen productions themselves say this. Therefore in my opinion it will NOT be in the boxsets - because I am NOT willing to share this with QP.
brianburnsdavid: The problem with a hypothetical question, is that it can only be resolved with a hypothetical answer. As both question and answer are worthless, on what can we build a solid case?
Therefore the hypothetical situation: "what if someone else were to find an other acetate, could QP use that one instead? Then hypothetically the answer could be "yes".
However, this line of reasoning, (I think) is based more in hope than reality, as it fails to take account of the fact that these discs are very fragile, deteroiate with playing and finally that at most, only 3 or 4 would have been cut, so chances of a release must be millions to one. (Then again, Brian May does own an acetate of the De Lane Lea sessions - but in the absence of any further info, I believe the above to be true).
I hope that clears things up a little for you!
The most important bit of info for me though is, whatever happened to the version on the master tapes? It is possible it was never recorded, but if an acetate was cut - why was it not on tape too?
Bohardy: When I wrote "THESE acetates were traded on the open market 20 years ago" I did not mean that plural "Hangman" discs existed. If read in the context of the thread - I meant that "THESE FOUR" Trident One-sided 10" acetates: Hangman, Rock 'n roll (Jailhouse Rock), Jesus and Keep Yourself Alive - were all bought as a set (not traded) about 20/5 years ago, and by "open" market I mean outside QP. That is "these four acetates" became publically available. So in context "plural" or "these" does not mean more than one "Hangman".
Sorry.
Ah-ha. My mistake, sorry.
Still, you can't beat a good bit of misguided optimism.
Still, you can't beat a good bit of misguided optimism.