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Angeline wrote:



Has anyone seen this - Queen in Caracus

Now this sounds really live to me - am I wrong? (I could just have a very poor ear...)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=essUVapB9EU



Their rendition of "I Need Your Loving Tonight" from this gig is legendary. Brian's playing is incredible and Freddie is going for most the high-notes. The vocal harmonies sound very tight. Serious: it's so engaging. If you replaced the lyrics for something about First-Rate Hedge Derivatives in Company Law according to the ius commune mercatorum or I don't know what (!?), people would die to have the chance to write your paper, I tell you. It's that good. : -) 




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Benn wrote:

I fail to believe that Queen, *then* would have been happy re-viositing old material in the studio just as they were going through their most creative period of all.

No one in their right mind would have watsed the time or the energy.

When you put it like that, you definitely have a good point.

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Yara,

Yes AND no - the bulk of the performance is live, but the vocal harmonies are *almost* ALL dubbed.  It'd be like having a live version of the Killer Queen solo dubbed on to the studio version......

Horrible and ugly.

Perhaps they felt in such poor shape when compared to Led Zeppelin (this accompanied TSRTS) in UK cinemas that they had to *produce* the concert retrospectively.
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Benn wrote:

Yara,

Yes AND no - the bulk of the performance is live, but the vocal harmonies are *almost* ALL dubbed.  It'd be like having a live version of the Killer Queen solo dubbed on to the studio version......

Horrible and ugly.

Perhaps they felt in such poor shape when compared to Led Zeppelin (this accompanied TSRTS) in UK cinemas that they had to *produce* the concert retrospectively.

Hey, Benn. Thanks for the answer. What you say makes sense to me. 

I couldn't make my historical statement, but on the other hand a learned a bit more about the band. : -))

Thanks. :p 





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Besides Freddie, none of the guys were really great singers - and one can easily notice that the lush vocal harmonies are the part of their music which suffers the most live.



 



 



 



 



 



 



 


Certainly, in the later years.  But in the early years their vocal harmonies were very often bang on.  Roger Taylor had one hell of a voice in his prime.

This is my week of correcting injustices! Roger Taylor is a good singer. Not a great singer, but a very good one, good enough to sing on his own or harmonize other people's singing. My message gives the impression that I think he's talentless as a singer, which is not the case. And singing back from the drum kit is harder than just singing. There's this band thing: if Roger wasn't performing very well, it seemed Freddie was not that good as a singer - Freddie's weaknesses got all too appearant in such cases because he sang only for himself and the other guys had to adjust their playing and singing to him; but Freddie couldn't do the opposite: it's quite rare to find him adjusting his performance to help the other guys out. Sometimes he'd let Roger, and Brian with that very thin voice!, singing the harmony on their own when he was supposed to step in - and when he stepped in out of tempo it was quite annoying. He'd harmonize the vocals in the wrong key creating some unpleasant dissonances; on the other hand, it's harder to find Roger harmonizing the vocals out of key - he made clever choices, but sometimes his voice just didn't sound right coupled with Freddie's: their timber got too distinct and dissonant when Freddie dropped the pitch too much. So you have some very unpleasant endings to "Let Me Entertain You" sometimes - Roger is right on doing his "tonight" but Freddie was many times either out of key or singing ridiculously below the mid-tenor register - sometimes a whole note or a note and a half! And one can see that it's just him being lazy sometimes, while at others he's really fumbling the line. Same goes for the higher sections of "If You Can't Beat Them...", "Put Out The Fire", "Action This Day" - in Leeds, Freddie and Roger sound almost as a strong block in the higher parts of "Action This Day": "Sunshine ray in the crack...". Sometimes Freddie would harmonize beautifully, just like at Milton Keynes; and there were many times he sounded really out of place in the song. 

So a band is a band. :op Listening to Queen barely being able to hear the bass is too annoying. And it happened so often in the 80's. When the mix was right or someone was recording from or next to the soundboard, just like that amazing Japan gig in 1981, one can listen to John's bass quite prominently and the whole sound of the band gets so much better - more layered, thick, strong and smooth. 

I'm in the "correcting injustices" frenzy! It ends this week. 

Freddie was such a towering showman that it's all too easy to forget about the wonderful band making the music - and his singing! - possible sometimes.     





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The Boston 1976 recording has some great harmonies overall. I love Roger's 'maaaaaaaaaaaaaan' at the end of The Prophet's Song.
John: "It's the one thing I wish I could do - sing."
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Yara -

I take it this is what you mean?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PupxYgt1ogU

UNBELIEVABLE

When Brian first came in this the harmony on 'never get angry with you' I nearly spat out my morning coffee.

I also love the lovely lilting timber n freddie's voice on the highest notes.

Cheers!!!

P.s.  He actually sounds pissed off when he tells the crowd to shut up, no?
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Angeline wrote:

Yara -

I take it this is what you mean?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PupxYgt1ogU

UNBELIEVABLE

When Brian first came in this the harmony on 'never get angry with you' I nearly spat out my morning coffee.

I also love the lovely lilting timber n freddie's voice on the highest notes.

Cheers!!!

P.s.  He actually sounds pissed off when he tells the crowd to shut up, no?

Sounds great, doesn't it? Oh, he was pretty pissed off that night because of, among other things, the bugs in the sound system. Freddie puts on quite a show but that was Brian's night - his playing is absolutely amazing throughout!

Glad you liked it. : -)

Take care!





Yara
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Benn wrote:


Well, surely, it makes perfect sense.  In order to present the material recorded LIVE in 1974 and then have the (allegedly) perfect vocal hamonies required for a commercial release, they simply had to access the masters for the material recorded for the first three albums and 'cut-and-paste' over the LIVE soundtrack.  This as opposed to either interrupting touring (by this time they were almost exclusively on the road) or their prescious time off and trying to get them all back together to try to replicate something that took so long to do originally.

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An interesting thought, considering the fact that the live versions of some songs were played up to 10% faster. I guess that meant using MIDI, SMPTE or the Kahler Human Clock to synchronise. Not bad for 1974.    




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Why?

Why Brain And Roger Donot Release The Rainbow, Hammersmith ,Hyde Park ,Earls And Houston

When They Will Release It ?

I Want Brian And Roger Hear My Message

Greatings
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Is there full audio bootleg of this concert?
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No, just as we replied you a hundred times ago
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Is there full audio bootleg of this concert?
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Is there full audio bootleg of this concert?
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Goodoldfashionedloverboy wrote: Is there full audio bootleg of this concert? ==============================================

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