> u dont seem like a Queen fan ur a Freddie fan
Just because he says Freddie was the chief songwriter? Well, hello ... he was! If I say Roger was better on the high range than Freddie does it make me a Taylor-fan? Roger is (for me) the best instrumentalist in the band. As a composer he's just as good as the other three considering he can write good songs (Days Of Our Lives, Happiness). Yet, Innuendo's out of his league, full stop.
> Queen was a success becuz of all 4 members
For some extent yes, but on the other side they went to international stardom because of Bo Rhap, and Bo Rhap caught the attention because they were already averagely famous thanks to Killer Queen, and that hit big locally because Seven Seas had been a top ten. They went to #1 in the US with Crazy Little Thing and that led to their brief period of being "American Idols". And who wrote all of those?
> Freddie wasnt as big on his own so that should tell u that he needed the others
That's a badly out of context argument: when Fred did Mr Bad Guy he deliberately wanted to get away from the Queen sound, same with Barcelona. It doesn't mean that Freddie wasn't able to compose masterpieces without the others. Same for Roger: his solo albums are different from the Queen sound because he wanted them to.
> Roger is an intelligent man and musician so y think he couldnt have come up wit a great song like Innuendo
Because a song like Innuendo takes more than being an intelligent man and musician. Let me put it this way: if you can't speak German, and you've never spoken German, is it possible for you to learn (phonetically) basic commands overnight? Yes. Is it possible to learn a poem in German in short time? Yes. Is it possible to magically give a philosophical comference in German? No.
Same thing here: Innuendo's got a lot of metre changes, key-changes and many many many small details absent in Roger's compositional vocabulary (check what I've listed previously). I don't mean Freddie's "better", but he obviously had a larger range of tools that take not only craftsmanship but also a lot of practice to employ, it's not sort of "well, I want to write a complex piece now" and hocus-pocus. For that same reason, Freddie wouldn't be able to score something like the orchestral arrangements of Who Wants To Live Forever.
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To add to Sebastian's post, writing a song is about 50% creativity and 50% technique. Both Roger and Freddie had a lot of creativity, and put it to good use. However, Roger wasn't as proficient technically, so he couldn't make songs as complex as Freddie could, though he could write wonderful songs.
Innuendo was great. Needs more cowbell.
Sebastian said:"For some extent yes, but on the other side they went to international stardom because of Bo Rhap, and Bo Rhap caught the attention because they were already averagely famous thanks to Killer Queen, and that hit big locally because Seven Seas had been a top ten. They went to #1 in the US with Crazy Little Thing and that led to their brief period of being "American Idols". And who wrote all of those?"
"That's a badly out of context argument: when Fred did Mr Bad Guy he deliberately wanted to get away from the Queen sound, same with Barcelona. It doesn't mean that Freddie wasn't able to compose masterpieces without the others. Same for Roger: his solo albums are different from the Queen sound because he wanted them to".
I can't agree more with what you said, Sebastian, very smart and so true.
You hit the nail on the head there, thanks for those so inteligent sentences.
LOl!
"That's a badly out of context argument: when Fred did Mr Bad Guy he deliberately wanted to get away from the Queen sound, same with Barcelona. It doesn't mean that Freddie wasn't able to compose masterpieces without the others. Same for Roger: his solo albums are different from the Queen sound because he wanted them to".
I can't agree more with what you said, Sebastian, very smart and so true.
You hit the nail on the head there, thanks for those so inteligent sentences.
Innuendo was great. Needs more cowbell.
LOl!
I have always thougt that Innuendo was way to complicated to be a Roger song, Im glad it was freddie´s it seems correct
I still think this is mainly a Roger Taylor song. The middle section is Freddie, verses and basic idea Roger Taylor.
Ok, because you're so stubborn:
Roger HATED modulating.
Not to argue with the fact that Freddie was the main author of 'Innuendo', but a track like 'Heaven For Everyone' modulates quite a lot, actually. It begins in C major, but in the chorus Roger introduces chords from D major, and creates quite a tonal ambiguity. He places it firmly in the key of D after the bridge, but in the last chorus he goes from D via E to finally end up in F# major.
Quite a lot of modulation for a guy who hates it... :)
Reportedly it was David Richards who transposed the lines of Heaven For Everyone in order to create a rising up effect instead of Roger's original more lineal demo.
Reportedly it was David Richards who transposed the lines of Heaven For Everyone in order to create a rising up effect instead of Roger's original more lineal demo.
Interesting... I wonder to what degree. I have a hard time picturing the first chorus without the (semi-)modulation to D major. Perhaps Richards suggested the leap to E major in the final chorus?
I suppose so. Do non-Queen versions include all of those things?
I suppose so. Do non-Queen versions include all of those things?
Yes, they do. The only thing added to the Queen version, regarding shape and harmonic structure, was the guitar solo.
roger even said his original breakthru was simple with no time changes (like most of his songs) until the rest of queen changed it.