I just thought of something...if we insult people for insulting other people..doesn't that make us sink down to their level?
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I just thought of something...if we insult people for insulting other people..doesn't that make us sink down to their level?
Yes, it does. But I haven't seen anyone here insulting them.
"This is why I have no respect for Christians in general. They make me sick. A bunch of self righteous, condesending fools. Fuck em'.
PS - I'm sure there are many very nice christian people....but unfortunately just a few can spoil the batch."
Sorry..I thought I found that a bit insulting.
Same here, Jess.
Sorry for getting mad earlier.:)
In this forum there are post encouraging tolarance.Some post call for the ultra- concervative Christians to be ELIMINATED??? Does this seem tolorant? I'm Christian and have gay / lesbian friends.We are all Gods' creation and equal.No one has any right to judge another.Christ called us to love everyone.Even our enemys.We are all equal because we all have sinned.I guess my point is tolarance is a two way street.Terrible acts have been comitted in the name of religon.The crusades for instance.The problem lies not in religon itself, but the fact that all religons are comprised of humans and no human is without sin.Did not intend this to be a sermon.The fact is the teachings of Christ i.e. Love your neighbor,Love your enemy and to serve our fellow man is what Christianity is about. Christ teachings have not been chalenged in 2000 years.Have Christians lived by these teachings? Not by a long shot. This does not take away the thuth of the teachings? Peace be with you all.
Rock in tymd!
When i say shut up i am talking to Mr.Jingles
Well, then I guess you must be a christian ULTRA-CONSERVATIVE. Is that why you felt offended?
Let me remind you (and everybody else) that not all christians (including myself) fall under the stereotype of being ULTRA-CONSERVATIVE, or EXTREME RIGHT-WING. I consider myself a christian, but I respect gay people's rights and I'm pro-choice. Now, many devoted conservative christians could tell you that I could not possibly be christian by having liberal ideas. Let me remind you that Jesus was in many ways a liberal... he was totally against violence, prejudice, hate, and any kind of opression from a higher power against a lower class.
As much as I disagree with you, I also totally disagree with the opossite point of view from Jansen. Who just seems to generalize by saying that all christians are nothing but religious nuts. Turns out to be that many Queenzoners here were raised christians, and some of them actually follow the religion, others have a tendency to not be so religious with a certain leaning to agnosticism.
Yet, it doesn't matter. Generalizing ALL christians in a negative way, is just as bad as calling all Muslims terrorists, or terrorist supporters.
This is a little bit off topic, but I love this list:
12 Reasons Gay Marriage Will Ruin Society-
1. Homosexuality is not natural, much like eyeglasses, polyester, and birth control are not natural.
2. Heterosexual marriages are valid because they produce children. Infertile couples and old people cannot get legally married because the world needs more children.
3. Obviously gay parents will raise gay children because straight parents only raise straight children.
4. Straight marriage will be less meaningful, since Britney Spears's 55-hour just-for-fun marriage was meaningful.
5. Heterosexual marriage has been around for a long time, and it hasn't changed at all: women are property, Blacks can't marry Whites, and divorce is illegal.
6. Gay marriage should be decided by the people, not the courts, because the majority-elected legislatures, not courts, have historically protected the rights of minorities.
7. Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are always imposed on the entire country. That's why we only have one religion in America.
8. Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people makes you tall.
9. Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage license.
10. Children can never succeed without both male and female role models at home. That's why single parents are forbidden to raise children.
11. Gay marriage will change the foundation of society. Heterosexual marriage has been around for a long time, and we could never adapt to new social norms because we haven't adapted to cars or longer lifespans.
12. Civil unions, providing most of the same benefits as marriage with a different name are better, because a "separate but equal" institution is always constitutional. Separate schools for African-Americans worked just as well as separate marriages will for gays & lesbians.
12 Reasons Gay Marriage Will Ruin Society-
1. Homosexuality is not natural, much like eyeglasses, polyester, and birth control are not natural.
2. Heterosexual marriages are valid because they produce children. Infertile couples and old people cannot get legally married because the world needs more children.
3. Obviously gay parents will raise gay children because straight parents only raise straight children.
4. Straight marriage will be less meaningful, since Britney Spears's 55-hour just-for-fun marriage was meaningful.
5. Heterosexual marriage has been around for a long time, and it hasn't changed at all: women are property, Blacks can't marry Whites, and divorce is illegal.
6. Gay marriage should be decided by the people, not the courts, because the majority-elected legislatures, not courts, have historically protected the rights of minorities.
7. Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are always imposed on the entire country. That's why we only have one religion in America.
8. Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people makes you tall.
9. Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage license.
10. Children can never succeed without both male and female role models at home. That's why single parents are forbidden to raise children.
11. Gay marriage will change the foundation of society. Heterosexual marriage has been around for a long time, and we could never adapt to new social norms because we haven't adapted to cars or longer lifespans.
12. Civil unions, providing most of the same benefits as marriage with a different name are better, because a "separate but equal" institution is always constitutional. Separate schools for African-Americans worked just as well as separate marriages will for gays & lesbians.
ALSO...
"Laura Schlessinger is a US radio personality who dispenses sex advice to
people who call in to her radio show. Recently, she said that as
anobservant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abominaton according to
Leviticus 18:22 and cannot be condoned in anyircumstance. The followingis
an Open Letter to Dr. Laura penned by a US resident,which was posted on
the Internet":
Dear Dr. Laura:
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I
have learned a great deal from your radio show, and I try to share that
knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the
homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus
18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some
advise from you, however, regarding some of the specific Bible laws and how
to follow them.
a)When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They
claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
b)I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus
21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
She's 18 and starting University. Will the slave buyer continue to pay for
her education by law ?
c)I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her
period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I
tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
d)Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female,
provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine
claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify?
......Why can't I own Canadians?
e)I have a neighbor who insists on working on the
Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally
obligated to kill him myself, or should this be a neighborhood improvement
project ?
f)A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I
don't agree. Can you settle this?
g)Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a
defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my
vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here? Would contact
lenses help ?
h)Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around
their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How
should they die?
i)I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me
unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
j)My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different
crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two
different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse
and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble
of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev.24:10-16) Couldn't
we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with
people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confidentyou can
help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and
unchanging.
Your devoted disciple and adoring fan.
"Laura Schlessinger is a US radio personality who dispenses sex advice to
people who call in to her radio show. Recently, she said that as
anobservant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abominaton according to
Leviticus 18:22 and cannot be condoned in anyircumstance. The followingis
an Open Letter to Dr. Laura penned by a US resident,which was posted on
the Internet":
Dear Dr. Laura:
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I
have learned a great deal from your radio show, and I try to share that
knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the
homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus
18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some
advise from you, however, regarding some of the specific Bible laws and how
to follow them.
a)When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They
claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
b)I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus
21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
She's 18 and starting University. Will the slave buyer continue to pay for
her education by law ?
c)I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her
period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I
tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
d)Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female,
provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine
claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify?
......Why can't I own Canadians?
e)I have a neighbor who insists on working on the
Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally
obligated to kill him myself, or should this be a neighborhood improvement
project ?
f)A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I
don't agree. Can you settle this?
g)Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a
defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my
vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here? Would contact
lenses help ?
h)Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around
their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How
should they die?
i)I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me
unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
j)My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different
crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two
different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse
and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble
of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev.24:10-16) Couldn't
we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with
people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confidentyou can
help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and
unchanging.
Your devoted disciple and adoring fan.
No way. I'm not that creative.
The only gospel in which Jesus preaches Tolerance and acceptance (The Gospel Of Thomas) was left out of the Bible. I should say that says enough about fundamentalist views on these isues.
What? I must be misunderstanding you...
Have you forgotten in the book of Matthew where Jesus says: "Let you who is without sin cast the first stone" ?
If that's not teaching tolerance I don't know what is.
Here here to some of the above opinions. Myself, I was raised Catholic BUT I no longer practise since becoming an adult as I found too much hypocrisy in their teachings - eg when I got divorced from my first marriage the civil divorce was a picnic compared to the Catholic one.
If I may hop on the bandwagon here (and hopefully not fall off and hurt myself!) I think the problem is that the fundamental lessons taught by Christ, that is, love God, love your fellow man and to lead a good, honest life, has been completely warped over thousands of years by mankinds' (general term please no pc admonishments) interpretation of what that message was. We must remember that during the Medieval period, Chrisitanity was damaged by the powerful and rich who used it as a weapon against the defenceless, uneducated poor (no this is not a typical "class" argument!) and after that historical period eventuated a lot of the diverse Christian churches who yet again made their own rules as they wanted to "cleanse" themselves from the corruptness and debauchery of the Catholic church. Hence why we have a lot of Christian fanatics who are descendants of those splinter churches.
At the end of the day, I think it is a case that these so-called Christians are more along the lines of what we fear or cannot understand, we tend to tear down or destroy. I feel sorry for these close-minded biggots. What a surprise they will get at the end.
If I may hop on the bandwagon here (and hopefully not fall off and hurt myself!) I think the problem is that the fundamental lessons taught by Christ, that is, love God, love your fellow man and to lead a good, honest life, has been completely warped over thousands of years by mankinds' (general term please no pc admonishments) interpretation of what that message was. We must remember that during the Medieval period, Chrisitanity was damaged by the powerful and rich who used it as a weapon against the defenceless, uneducated poor (no this is not a typical "class" argument!) and after that historical period eventuated a lot of the diverse Christian churches who yet again made their own rules as they wanted to "cleanse" themselves from the corruptness and debauchery of the Catholic church. Hence why we have a lot of Christian fanatics who are descendants of those splinter churches.
At the end of the day, I think it is a case that these so-called Christians are more along the lines of what we fear or cannot understand, we tend to tear down or destroy. I feel sorry for these close-minded biggots. What a surprise they will get at the end.
79,
I did not feel offended.I gave my opinion.It was what i believe.Peace
I did not feel offended.I gave my opinion.It was what i believe.Peace
And lets not forget that one of Jesus' best friends was a prostitute!