I am not weighing in on either side. But, from a purely logical, common sense viewpoint, anyone with a clue would have to reply to:
"Yes, but you try getting up in front of a packed stadium and sing songs that you aren't familiar with. I bet you wouldn't even make it past Roger's drum riser."
No disrespect meant- but if you are *going* to get in front of a packed stadium to sing songs, you'd better damn well GET familiar with them. Honestly, if you only had a f**king week to learn them, we'd know what you'd be doing for 18 hours a day for those seven days. This was a completely weak excuse- packed stadium or 4 people, the gig is performing as a vocalist for a band, and any professional's job is to work hard and get it right. One mistake is enough, but several mean you need to work harder. And please, I'm not trying to be a "naysayer" and make it miserable for all the people in love with Paul Rodgers, I'm just pointing out something that is fact regardless of what your preference is.
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REAL FANS WILL NOT ACCEPT QUEEN WITHOUT FREDDIE OUT FRONT.
I'm a real fan, and I accept Brian and Roger and who ever they want as a lead singer, So it's not the same, like I give a flying fuck, of course they looked bad, but IMO (!!) they are better then any new band out, and yea, I'll shell out beer money to see them live. So it's not what it was in 1986, it's a still a good show.
yes i agree... the real fans are those who support brian and roger, regardless of their looks and sound. fans are there to support the band and the real fans are those going to concerts and showing their support and all that. and all the people who are saying that their shit over here could atleast like say they tried hard of some words of encouragement cos remember
a few words of encouragement after a failure is worth more than an hour of praise
it's just a bunch of stupid people who are stubborn in enough to jump on the complaining band wagon.
they come on here and criticise those who want to support Bri and Rog and say WE arent the real fans?
stop bloody complaining. if it were just Bri and Rog touring as Queen, i bet you wouldn't complain anywehre NEAR as much. but as soon as they add that +Paul Rodgers, you go nuts? its not as if he is REPLACING Fred, or even reforming Queen. hes just singing (albeit forgetfully).
just bloody grow up
they come on here and criticise those who want to support Bri and Rog and say WE arent the real fans?
stop bloody complaining. if it were just Bri and Rog touring as Queen, i bet you wouldn't complain anywehre NEAR as much. but as soon as they add that +Paul Rodgers, you go nuts? its not as if he is REPLACING Fred, or even reforming Queen. hes just singing (albeit forgetfully).
just bloody grow up
you mean it's right for you to say it's wrong, but wrong for us to say it is right.
very fair
very fair
Queen without Freddie is like the Stones without
Mick Jagger.
Ignorance is bliss!
Mick Jagger.
Ignorance is bliss!
Please folks... calm down....
I'm sure Bri and Rog wouldn't have picked Paul Rodgers if they didn't believe he could do it...
Just give 'em some time...
I'm not supporting Paul or something... because I think his singing just sucks... I don't like his style... but if Bri and Rog pick him... I'm sure they have a damn good reason for it...
Just leave them... It's there choice...
If they screw up... then it wasn't because of their playing... it was just because of the wrong choice of singer...
But who knows... he might be a lot better in some weeks....
Take it easy... and let's wait and see...
We can always take the shows down afterwards... :P
I'm sure Bri and Rog wouldn't have picked Paul Rodgers if they didn't believe he could do it...
Just give 'em some time...
I'm not supporting Paul or something... because I think his singing just sucks... I don't like his style... but if Bri and Rog pick him... I'm sure they have a damn good reason for it...
Just leave them... It's there choice...
If they screw up... then it wasn't because of their playing... it was just because of the wrong choice of singer...
But who knows... he might be a lot better in some weeks....
Take it easy... and let's wait and see...
We can always take the shows down afterwards... :P
Facts for me at Least:
- If all 4 original members aren't present, then I really don't want any of the other members touring as Queen.
- If Freddie (chief songwriter, person who named the group, most famous, most idenified member of the band,..etc..etc) isn't present, than it REALLY shouldn't nothing should be named Queen again.
- As stated above, Keith Richards would NEVER have the nut sack or disrespect to tour as the "Rolling Stones" without Mick Jagger. Why is Brian doing this without Freddie??
(Unless you feel that Freddie is was as important to Queen as Jagger is to The Stones??)
- From my experience, those of us (like me) that feel that the Queen legacy should be laid to rest, and that NO Queen tour should happen without Freddie... these people typically tend to be the die hard fan where Queen is the absolute favorite band... and they have invested alot of time and money in this band.
The hillbilliy's that say "Duh, give Paul Rodgers a chance, that dude is cool"!.... These tend to be Queen fans, but usually not as dedicated of fans.
- Anyone want to see me puke?
Here's how you do it.....I need someone (usually someone born after Wayne's World came out, who thinks Queen formed in 1991) ..... or a burnt out junkie whose pushin 45 right now, who thinks their bar band is the next Queen to tell me "Scott, let the tour be!!, its the only way these young'ins will get to see Queen live"...
WRONG
If you haven't already seen Queen live in your life, then you aren't ever going to.
If the "Queen" concert you went to, didn't have Freddie Mercury out front, controlling the circus .... then you DID NOT* see Queen.
*Did Not = Never happened in this case.
- If all 4 original members aren't present, then I really don't want any of the other members touring as Queen.
- If Freddie (chief songwriter, person who named the group, most famous, most idenified member of the band,..etc..etc) isn't present, than it REALLY shouldn't nothing should be named Queen again.
- As stated above, Keith Richards would NEVER have the nut sack or disrespect to tour as the "Rolling Stones" without Mick Jagger. Why is Brian doing this without Freddie??
(Unless you feel that Freddie is was as important to Queen as Jagger is to The Stones??)
- From my experience, those of us (like me) that feel that the Queen legacy should be laid to rest, and that NO Queen tour should happen without Freddie... these people typically tend to be the die hard fan where Queen is the absolute favorite band... and they have invested alot of time and money in this band.
The hillbilliy's that say "Duh, give Paul Rodgers a chance, that dude is cool"!.... These tend to be Queen fans, but usually not as dedicated of fans.
- Anyone want to see me puke?
Here's how you do it.....I need someone (usually someone born after Wayne's World came out, who thinks Queen formed in 1991) ..... or a burnt out junkie whose pushin 45 right now, who thinks their bar band is the next Queen to tell me "Scott, let the tour be!!, its the only way these young'ins will get to see Queen live"...
WRONG
If you haven't already seen Queen live in your life, then you aren't ever going to.
If the "Queen" concert you went to, didn't have Freddie Mercury out front, controlling the circus .... then you DID NOT* see Queen.
*Did Not = Never happened in this case.
Queen without Freddie is like the Stones without
Mick Jagger.
Ignorance is bliss!
Or the stones without Bill Wyman or without Brian Jones (their founding member).... hey wait a minute... didnt they continue to tour and make new records????
As I said in the Fancourt Webcast thread "And as for those bleeting on about how Paul forgot the words I have this to say, Freddie himself was prone to that as well (Bo Rhap for instance in Japan mid seventies - and he wrote the song too - and Radio Ga Ga). Same with Roger (I'm In Love With My Car live in Glasgow 1979). And what about Brian's famous guitar solo for Somebody To Love in the original Tribute Concert? So give Paul a break." And you can add Brian's fuck up on "Save Me" where as Freddie says, "It didnt start so fucking well" (cant remember what gig it was)
And by the way, I still stand by my original statement.
The hillbilliy's that say "Duh, give Paul Rodgers a chance, that dude is cool"!.... These tend to be Queen fans, but usually not as dedicated of fans.
Sorry Scott but what a load of shite imho
I still haven't seen the footage from Saturday's show....I can't find it now....
...but, all I will say is that nobody's perfect, and until I do see this footage (where the hell is it people - PULEEZE somebody point me in the right direction), I won't judge it either way.
Anyone....anyone...
...but, all I will say is that nobody's perfect, and until I do see this footage (where the hell is it people - PULEEZE somebody point me in the right direction), I won't judge it either way.
Anyone....anyone...
You seem awfully intent on shoving this "not Queen" ideal down people's throats. What's wrong with letting these fans look at the latest offering from the Queen camp? And letting them decided if they like it or not. Can't you live with other fans liking what they see/hear?
And like someone already said, it's only the first gig, so if there are mistakes then that's easily forgiveable.
Btw, if I forget words to my own songs would you say that I'm not a professional or that I shouldn't even try? Or is it easier to criticise if someone other than the writer of the song gets the words wrong. ALL singers and/or songwriters WILL FORGET lyrics/lines and that especially goes for professionals. It's something that, if you sing or act in a play, you will experience this at some point. Inevitable. It amazes me that someone like yourself doesn't see that and is instantly denouncing the guy on the basis of a first gig and the (obvious) nerves he must feel. *gasps for air*
In other words... too early to see it. Unless you don't want to see anything at all. Which I belive you've already proven to us over and over in this thread. So, why waste your breathe? Or is that typing..?
Peace,
Adam.
P.S. Btw, you actually listened to the 46664 songs? But why would you...huh??
And like someone already said, it's only the first gig, so if there are mistakes then that's easily forgiveable.
Btw, if I forget words to my own songs would you say that I'm not a professional or that I shouldn't even try? Or is it easier to criticise if someone other than the writer of the song gets the words wrong. ALL singers and/or songwriters WILL FORGET lyrics/lines and that especially goes for professionals. It's something that, if you sing or act in a play, you will experience this at some point. Inevitable. It amazes me that someone like yourself doesn't see that and is instantly denouncing the guy on the basis of a first gig and the (obvious) nerves he must feel. *gasps for air*
In other words... too early to see it. Unless you don't want to see anything at all. Which I belive you've already proven to us over and over in this thread. So, why waste your breathe? Or is that typing..?
Peace,
Adam.
P.S. Btw, you actually listened to the 46664 songs? But why would you...huh??
Why don't you go to LUNCH.. it seems that's what you're best at NOW isn't it!I can't tell you how many times I've heard that one... ;)
"Or the stones without Bill Wyman or without Brian Jones (their founding member).... hey wait a minute... didnt they continue to tour and make new records????"
Neither of them contributed towards songwriting, nor were they the focal point of the band - they also left the band while the band was still going, not 14 years after the lead singer died.
"Queen" were 4 people - you can't change that... only 2 of those 4 people are on this tour, and the name Queen is being used to make as much money as possible.... theyre making a quick buck with this tour, and to suggest this tour is anything other than a money making machine is laughable. If they were so keen to play music they would be happy using their own names and playing the venues they are able to sell out using their own names.
Neither of them contributed towards songwriting, nor were they the focal point of the band - they also left the band while the band was still going, not 14 years after the lead singer died.
"Queen" were 4 people - you can't change that... only 2 of those 4 people are on this tour, and the name Queen is being used to make as much money as possible.... theyre making a quick buck with this tour, and to suggest this tour is anything other than a money making machine is laughable. If they were so keen to play music they would be happy using their own names and playing the venues they are able to sell out using their own names.
Lester-
I have been saying all along...Queen is over. Queen ended on a cloudy overcast day, towards the end of November 1991.
I seen Rodgers live (at the county fair) in 1997 .. he sucked. Hoarse, and screwing up the words to his own songs.
I saw him again in 2001....this time with a fresh hair weave....still hoarse, still sucked.... but at least his band was good this time.
2005... He's destroying the Queen legacy... still hoarse... still sucks .... now he's making Taylor & May look like a dog watching a card trick, and Deacon look like Aristotle.R.I.P Queen
Lester-
I have been saying all along...Queen is over. Queen ended on a cloudy overcast day, towards the end of November 1991.
I seen Rodgers live (at the county fair) in 1997 .. he sucked. Hoarse, and screwing up the words to his own songs.
I saw him again in 2001....this time with a fresh hair weave....still hoarse, still sucked.... but at least his band was good this time.
2005... He's destroying the Queen legacy... still hoarse... still sucks .... now he's making Taylor & May look like a dog watching a card trick, and Deacon look like Aristotle.R.I.P Queen
I keep going back & forth on this...as I said before, I Never wanted to be a pessimist and I hoped for the best, that Paul and this Queen "Reunion" would in fact work out. Not even necessarily based on my own personal feelings (as I ALWAYS have thought the whole idea was a complete Blasphemic Travesty)...but to be objective..and to be supportive of all of you Queen fans worldwide. (Remember I've told you I am a journalist..and being a responsible, openminded one, it is NOT my opinions that were important to you all, for me it was being supportive of all Queen fans, as well as to Brian & Roger.)
But I may as well say it now......I Hate this whole idea. This is NOT Queen, 1st and foremost because Freddie is gone...and as it's been stated here...Freddie was an irreplacible Legendary talent, a legendary singer whose likes we will never see again, a master showman, Queen's main and most talented songwriter, piano virtuoso, visionary, yes, he DID name the band, create and design the crest, artwork, etc.
If Freddie had Never joined Queen, think about it,
some little obscure band named Smile would have never been more than a mere footnote mention in the backpages of local pub bands in Britain that flamed out after unsuccessfully trying to get a record deal and probably would have wound up disbanding,
Which Smile was about to do, that is break up/disband...when Freddie asked to join the band and try being lead singer after former Smile lead singer Tim Staffel left.... also in disgust that the band was going...nowhere,
Freddie was THE one who believed in the band...and had the TALENT and VISION to turn a nowhere local band, into International Superstars and legends,...who per Roger in the NEW Capitol Gold Interview said about Freddie that Freddie said after Tim left Smile and Smile was about to break up for good, Freddie said quote, "Look, Try It One More Time. I'll be your singer. We CAN do this" and per Roger quote, He (Freddie) had MORE belief in us than we had in ourselves, so he (Freddie) was really the spark...that ignited the fire. He had amazing confidence. Amazing vision." endquote from Roger.
Even John had the wisdom and common sense to honor the Queen legacy as it stands and should stay.
I don't want to rain on Brian & Roger's parade. They are musicians, that's how they make a living, and that's what they LOVE doing. But fine, then tour as Brian May & Roger Taylor...I Would PAY to go to see them..and I Truly Believe that Queen fans would too.
But while some bands can go on after a member dies, this is NOT one of them, and it only made matters MUCH worse when Paul (who I have always thought of as a 3rd tier so so singer even in his heydey, and now a has been at that) flubbed the 46664 Performance in front of the whole world. He is besmirching the one of the greatest bands in music and history..and dishonoring both Queen...and Freddie...
Whether anyone wants to admit it or not...Freddie Mercury...WAS and IS Queen...with love & regards...