Freddie and touring

You don't like me?

Not when you post the same shit over and over.
Time to learn some new words.

Sorry about the repeats.

I have a Freddie obsession going on.

Hey Scott, Show us some Poof of this! =)

wstüssyb wrote:

Hey Scott, Show us some Poof of this! =)

And we would prefer additional accurate sources of pooves!

geez...how can so many faithful queen fans just say anything they feel without concern for the facts?do you honestly think the band knew in '86?NO WAY!!In what account or record was that ever mentioned.Our hero dies a horrible death-no need to try to "scoop" fellow fans!

I think there is a large grey area between what people know or can deduce from what they observe and, on the other hand, what they know because they have been officially informed.

I think it's important to remember that attitudes towards AIDS in the late 80s were much less enlightened than they are now; people with AIDS were treated like lepers. There was much more incentive to keep quiet about it, and it's entirely believable that friends would find a don't-ask-don't-tell policy to be the kindest and/or easiest approach.

--Egret

How the band could know in 1986 if Freddie found out a year later? (according to Freestone if i remeber well...)

He said it to Kashmira in august 86
He sait it to Queen members in september 86
He said it to Kashmira at 1990
He said it to Hutton in april 1987
He said it to Freestone... in 87? 88? 89?
He said it Mary Austin in 84 ore 85?
Briam said that they didn't know it before 91
before 89
on magic tour they only suspicted that something wrong
Freddie vizited Japan in september 86. He was so happy during his vacation. It's so beatiful to know that you are Aids- pozitive.
Sun wrote in september 86 that he hasn't Aids


I'm going slighty mad

No- he fuckin told Mary in 1975, when he wrote song about it. It's called bohemian Rhapsody...
*rolls eyes...*

Not to you- to everyone who asks the same question even though it was already answered thousands times. There are thinhgs we'll never know. As far as I'm concened Mary didn't say in any interview when did Freddie say he had AIDS, yet many ppl seem to know better. On top of that ppl claiming the band knew in 1986 are forgetting one thing- according to few sources (Freestone, Hutton) Freddie DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING IN 1986! THEY sure know what they're talking about! My remark is to those who are not listening when they get an answer and still think that their guess is the best. No-one knew that it's going to be the last tour. John DID say in a Fan club message about Magic Tour being a last tour FOR A LONG TIME (not EVER), because band was about to split for holiday and there was no intention of imediate next album session. THEREFORE- it was obvious there will be no tour. John anyway was increasingly uncomfortable with touring- many say or think (including me) that if Freddie didn't have AIDS he would eventually retire anyway, pretty much maybe an album after AKOM... There are sources backing this up...
And don't be so touchy- the Bohemian Rhapsody remark is an old joke from this site, going back quite few months... A joke towards those looking for senstaional messages in Queen songs, prophecies... Like ppl thinking Show Must Go On was Fred's testament or Who wants To Live Forever was one of the clues, forgetting that both were written by Brian, etc , etc. Yes- they sound different now, the thing that John said for Fan Club do sound different, because after the years we know what happened LATER. But there are no prophecies, band didn't know, so didn't Fred. There are many sources stating that, I haven't seen one reliable source stating otherwise.
PS
As I read the entire thread. You were actually one of those who was giving the answers, relying on sources. Still- some know better... It was directed at them, not you. Just happened to be under your post. Hope that clears everything.

Fenderek wrote:

Not to you- to everyone who asks the same question even though it was already answered thousands times. There are thinhgs we'll never know. As far as I'm concened Mary didn't say in any interview when did Freddie say he had AIDS, yet many ppl seem to know better. On top of that ppl claiming the band knew in 1986 are forgetting one thing- according to few sources (Freestone, Hutton) Freddie DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING IN 1986! THEY sure know what they're talking about! My remark is to those who are not listening when they get an answer and still think that their guess is the best. No-one knew that it's going to be the last tour. John DID say in a Fan club message about Magic Tour being a last tour FOR A LONG TIME (not EVER), because band was about to split for holiday and there was no intention of imediate next album session. THEREFORE- it was obvious there will be no tour. John anyway was increasingly uncomfortable with touring- many say or think (including me) that if Freddie didn't have AIDS he would eventually retire anyway, pretty much maybe an album after AKOM... There are sources backing this up...
And don't be so touchy- the Bohemian Rhapsody remark is an old joke from this site, going back quite few months... A joke towards those looking for senstaional messages in Queen songs, prophecies... Like ppl thinking Show Must Go On was Fred's testament or Who wants To Live Forever was one of the clues, forgetting that both were written by Brian, etc , etc. Yes- they sound different now, the thing that John said for Fan Club do sound different, because after the years we know what happened LATER. But there are no prophecies, band didn't know, so didn't Fred. There are many sources stating that, I haven't seen one reliable source stating otherwise.
PS
As I read the entire thread. You were actually one of those who was giving the answers, relying on sources. Still- some know better... It was directed at them, not you. Hope that clears everything.

Mariam wrote:

He said it to Kashmira in august 86
He sait it to Queen members in september 86
He said it to Kashmira at 1990
He said it to Hutton in april 1987
He said it to Freestone... in 87? 88? 89?
He said it Mary Austin in 84 ore 85?
Briam said that they didn't know it before 91
before 89
on magic tour they only suspicted that something wrong
Freddie vizited Japan in september 86. He was so happy during his vacation. It's so beatiful to know that you are Aids- pozitive.
Sun wrote in september 86 that he hasn't Aids


I'm going slighty mad

I agree...I am also going slightly mad. So many people on QZ have told me so Many DIFFERENT sources, dates, stories about when Freddie knew he had AIDS, when he told the band, when he told Kashmira, if he knew during Live Aid, or The Magic Tour, or not until years later, WHO he told first, Mary, Jim, etc....

For now, I will take these completely different and contradictory stories...with a grain of salt, only.

Arlene R. Weiss wrote:

For now, I will take these completely different and contradictory stories...with a grain of salt, only.

And that's exactly how to take them! There's nothing definite, ppl are contradicting each other- some details from Freestone book do not match the ones from Hutton's. And that's perfectly natural- that's human memory! I'm more aware of dates regarding Queen history that my life! I have to think hard to remember which year did I finish my college or what month exactly I was at the prom. If I was writing a book- I'd made maaaaany mistakes. So did Hutton AND Freestone. And many others I'm sure as well, interviewing ppl who thought they remember correctly but they didn't. Just like John saying in one interview that there were six or seven bass players in queen before him, when now we perfectly well know it was only 3. So you have to take them with a grain of salt- and avoid those who are desperately looking for some incredible stories... Some things appear in few sources and they are MOST LIKEL;Y to be close to truth. One of them is- Freddie didn't know in 1986. What happened later? Who knew first, who second, who 15th? We don't now and probably never will. We know one thing- when recording Barcelona he DID know. Same goes for Miracle and Innuendo. When band knew? Again- two sources state pretty much the same- Hutton and Brian (I don't remember- didn't Freestone write that as well?)- it was during MIRACLE sessions. Always take it with a grain of salt and try to look for reliable sources, interviews. If one thing appears few times- is more likely to be close to truth (although not always- some mistakes and myths are being repeated from one book to another...). And don't worry about those stirring things up by saying he knew earlier, based on... nothing. Try checking out who's telling you what. I know it's weird when on the site 10 ppl say 5 different things. Check them out. There are guys here with incredible Quen knowledge, and there are ones thinking that BoRhap indeed was about AIDS. On the begining it may be difficult to recognise who's who... Pity though that some of those with a great knowledge do not post here so often anymore...

He didnt know in 1986.
I agree. Even if he had AIDS , he didnt know about it.
Why everybody tell different things? Why it s so many lie? Its not only people memory. As example, we didnt read so strange things in Mike Jagger 's biography.
Fenderek, Mary said that Freddie lived with AIDS more that 7 years.