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And Saddam Hussein shows remorse for HIS actions? So in other words, it's okay to overthrow a dictator if you're a Democrat, but not if you're a Republican?


I never said that, all i'm saying is that Clinton did have good reason to get involved in the Kosovo fiasco.
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FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote:

And Saddam Hussein shows remorse for HIS actions? So in other words, it's okay to overthrow a dictator if you're a Democrat, but not if you're a Republican?


It's okay to overthrow a dictator if you have the intention to help the people, instead of doing it for other (selfish) reasons. Do you really think Bush invaded Iraq to help the Iraqi people??
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The Mir@cle wrote:
FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote:

And Saddam Hussein shows remorse for HIS actions? So in other words, it's okay to overthrow a dictator if you're a Democrat, but not if you're a Republican?


It's okay to overthrow a dictator if you have the intention to help the people, instead of doing it for other (selfish) reasons. Do you really think Bush invaded Iraq to help the Iraqi people??


Does it matter? As I wrote in another topic, there are 4,200 less innocent deaths a month in Iraq right now. Nowadays it's 800 a month, while it was 5,000 a month when Saddam was in power.

Bush's motives are irrelevant, the consequences are relevant. It's just like you shouldn't care why someone murdered his wife, the fact she's dead is what matters. Like it or not, the situation in Iraq as far as deaths are concerned is better right now.
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Guy wrote:


Does it matter? As I wrote in another topic, there are 4,200 less innocent deaths a month in Iraq right now. Nowadays it's 800 a month, while it was 5,000 a month when Saddam was in power.

Bush's motives are irrelevant, the consequences are relevant. It's just like you shouldn't care why someone murdered his wife, the fact she's dead is what matters. Like it or not, the situation in Iraq as far as deaths are concerned is better right now.


Of course... Sadam was/is a monster. Some Iraqi political parties estimate more than 1 million were executed in 23 years time. And I hope they get rid of the terrorists in Iraq, so they have the chance to build a democracy there. Though it's gonna be very hard with all the different kinds of people there.

It's just the arrogance of Mr. Bush that most foreigners (even non-muslims like me) find offensive. He doesn't need the opinions of others, he thinks he can invade a country based on lies he gave to the American people and he treats Europe as the "Lap Dog" of United States.... Clinton is a far more "social intelligent" person than Cowboy Bush is.







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The Mir@cle wrote:
FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote:

And Saddam Hussein shows remorse for HIS actions? So in other words, it's okay to overthrow a dictator if you're a Democrat, but not if you're a Republican?


It's okay to overthrow a dictator if you have the intention to help the people, instead of doing it for other (selfish) reasons. Do you really think Bush invaded Iraq to help the Iraqi people??


Oh yeah, and Clinton really helped the people of Serbia. He dropped a bunch of bombs and accomplished NOTHING. He didn't overthrow Milosevic, all he did was try to make Kosovo independent.
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Would the Serbian people have overthrown Milosevic without the sanctions?? Don’t think so.
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The Mir@cle wrote:
Guy wrote:


Does it matter? As I wrote in another topic, there are 4,200 less innocent deaths a month in Iraq right now. Nowadays it's 800 a month, while it was 5,000 a month when Saddam was in power.

Bush's motives are irrelevant, the consequences are relevant. It's just like you shouldn't care why someone murdered his wife, the fact she's dead is what matters. Like it or not, the situation in Iraq as far as deaths are concerned is better right now.


Of course... Sadam was/is a monster. Some Iraqi political parties estimate more than 1 million were executed in 23 years time. And I hope they get rid of the terrorists in Iraq, so they have the chance to build a democracy there. Though it's gonna be very hard with all the different kinds of people there.

It's just the arrogance of Mr. Bush that most foreigners (even non-muslims like me) find offensive. He doesn't need the opinions of others, he thinks he can invade a country based on lies he gave to the American people and he treats Europe as the "Lap Dog" of United States.... Clinton is a far more "social intelligent" person than Cowboy Bush is.


What's your point exactly? Would you rather have 5,000 innocent deaths a month rather than 800? Because that's what would have happened if America hadn't gotten Saddam out of power.
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Mr.Jingles wrote:
yamamamia wrote:
Where's Lee Harvey Oswald when we really need him now???


Wouldn't make a difference my friend. Bush is a puppet, and even Bush supporters know that. Behind him there's a group of EVIL men pulling the strings. Rove, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Ashcroft, and Cheney knew that they couldn't run for president because their image doesn't sell, so they called a somewhat charming village idiot to become candidate. Bush is indeed the Ashlee Simpson of politics.


You can say whatever you want, he was still elected democratically.


Well politics is kinda like music, image plays a huge role whether you like it or not, so in many cases integrity, intelligence and wisdom have to be put aside. Afterall, anyone over 18 is allowed to vote regardless of their educational background. There's just too many idiots who absolutely no knowledge of politics whatsoever, and they just vote for one or the other becase "he kinda seems like a better person". Oh, and don't get me started with those who are 100% sure of who they're voting for before the debates when they don't know what their candidates really stand for.


Not to mention the number of people that voted because the southern Baptist church said they'll go to hell if they don't. But let's not make this a discussion of willpower vs. control by the church.

I have family members in Pennsylvania who vote for Bush just because he's republican. This is the mentality of at least 1/4 of the United States. It's not about "democratically voting him in". It's not a democratic vote when a percentage of the voters don't even know the name of the other candidate(s).

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Even George Galloway? Here are some things you can check out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Galloway
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/F70955DA-D1AA-41DF-AC4D-40001BCE0403.htm

And this video:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/avdb/news_web/video/9012da68000cfe0/nb/09012da68000d153_nb_16x9.asx

He's quite possibly the last real politician we've got.
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FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote:
- democratic government in Iraq


Even though tonnes of Iraqi people are quoted saying it's worse now than it was before, I guess that doesn't matter...


The most Europeans hate him, so does the rest of the world.


And we care... why?


Oh yes, the self-centred American patriotic mentality of "as long as we're okay, then screw everyone else and what they think."
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Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:



The most Europeans hate him, so does the rest of the world.


And we care... why?


Oh yes, the self-centred American patriotic mentality of "as long as we're okay, then screw everyone else and what they think."


If every country in the world had to listen to what every other country in the world had to say, we wouldn't get anywhere.
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Guy wrote:
If every country in the world had to listen to what every other country in the world had to say, we wouldn't get anywhere.


100% disagree. If every country listened to every other country, then we would at least have a world where everyone understood the worldview of everyone else. Everyone would build tolerance and understanding of differences. There would be much less war, because we wouldn't attack people for "being different" than us. And there certainly wouldn't be bigotry in the masses towards other countries, because our politicians would be the ones telling us to be accepting of others, even though we don't agree with or understand the culture, mentality, and history of some countries and their people.
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Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:
Guy wrote:
If every country in the world had to listen to what every other country in the world had to say, we wouldn't get anywhere.


100% disagree. If every country listened to every other country, then we would at least have a world where everyone understood the worldview of everyone else. Everyone would build tolerance and understanding of differences. There would be much less war, because we wouldn't attack people for "being different" than us. And there certainly wouldn't be bigotry in the masses towards other countries, because our politicians would be the ones telling us to be accepting of others, even though we don't agree with or understand the culture, mentality, and history of some countries and their people.


I totally agree with Bob here.

Fixing what's wrong is not achieved by destroying and the re-building again, and that seems to be the Bush administration's mentality. Why else do you think they would send a right wing extremist bully like John Bolton to become the United States representative on the United Nations when Bolton has publicly said that he completely despised the United Nations and the U.S. should be the one an only nation leading the way when it comes to international affairs. It's obvious that the United Nations need to be fix a certain number of bereaucratic flaws, but you can't fix it by sending the worst thing since Joseph McCarthy.
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Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:
Guy wrote:
If every country in the world had to listen to what every other country in the world had to say, we wouldn't get anywhere.


100% disagree. If every country listened to every other country, then we would at least have a world where everyone understood the worldview of everyone else. Everyone would build tolerance and understanding of differences. There would be much less war, because we wouldn't attack people for "being different" than us. And there certainly wouldn't be bigotry in the masses towards other countries, because our politicians would be the ones telling us to be accepting of others, even though we don't agree with or understand the culture, mentality, and history of some countries and their people.



So... let's see... during World War II everyone should have just stood around "understanding the worldview" of Hitler?

That would have REALLY helped.
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FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote:
So... let's see... during World War II everyone should have just stood around "understanding the worldview" of Hitler?

That would have REALLY helped.


Typical fucking conservative. Ignoring ALL possible positives of someone's comment, and picking out the one possible exception that is entirely negative, hoping to make them feel like their suggestion is pointless in all cases.

There is no talking with you. You are pathetic. You suck. You and people like you are the reason why there is intolerance, lack of open dialogue, and war in this world.
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