I believe that God knows if you are truely a good person or not. Surely, a belief is a belief.
Therefore, according to my beliefs, I am not going to hell, because God knows that, even if I do bad things in my life, he knows if I am a good person or not.
So, just because you believe that Freddie is in hell, if he didn't believe in hell, is he still there? Just a hypothetical question. Becuase, surely, if you do not believe in something, then it is not there.
So, why should it matter? Beliefs are beliefs. Some believe the best sandwich is beef, some believe the best sandwich is chicken. Just becuase they believe that, it doesn't mean that every sandwich must have that particular filling.
Maybe I've missed the point, but I wanted to post something.
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Stop encouraging SomebodyWhoHates to answer anything. This discussion should have ended pages ago, because we're not going to get anywhere with this person. Stop wasting your time.
i was just wondering...
i was just wondering...
I still wouldn't bother. The bible is full of contradictions, so religious fanatatics will always choose the point of view that's convenient for them at a particular time. They think they can talk their way out of anything, and so they do. Rationality will always come second to the bible. Just let them be, because you're never going to change them. You can't change someone who doesn't want to be changed, and you can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped. Golden lessons in life.
hmmmm...i learn more here then i do anywhere else...sad...
then dont listen to her if u think that...
ok, i just thought this up not to long ago. nothing against god, but u know how Bush is all reliant on god and is basically destroying the seperation from church and state amendment (?) anyway, it was basically his decision to go to war but...hello! war is nothing but KILLING people for peace. an oxymoron, in my book. i personally dont think god had it planned for bush to lead us to war. shows u who's wrong in this situation...answer that, SWL.
God is in total control over every single event that happens. No, God is not the author of every event, but God is in control.
Nothing can happen without God's consent.
God tells us that He is the one who raises up kings, and also puts down kings.
God, for better or for worse, allowed this man George Bush to become the Leader of the most powerful nation on earth.
As a true believer, I have nothing to fear. Whether I live in peace, or whether some evil calamity falls on the world such that I live in terror or even die, so be it. God is in perfect control over every event. Nothing happens without God's consent.
Look at those poor people in New Orleans. One day, they seemingly had everything they could want. They had food to eat, houses to live in. Jobs to go to. They had material possessions of all kinds. Families and friends to comfort themselves with. They had everything. And they trusted and comforted themselves with their possessions, and material goods. Their lives seemed guaranteed to have Peace, and safety.
And what happened? In a single day, a storm blew in and destroyed every single thing they had. Doesn't that teach you a lesson? How temporary and fragile our lives are? We really have nothing but the shirt on our backs. It is all an illusion.
In the aftermath of 9/11, I remember the reaction of Americans. People remembered the following passage of the bible, and thought it was the end of the world.
"For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off, And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city! "
In ONE hour, the World Trade Center buildings fell, and were destroyed. And people were terrified beyond measure. It was as if, a veil was lifted from their eyes, and they suddenly saw the truth of life. Suddenly, it didn't matter if they had 250k salary, or owned a mansion or drove fine automobiles. Their material goods became meaningless. They trembled and feared that Judgement Day was truly approaching. Because mankind knows instinctively that there is a God. This is why, when man faces a calamity, he instinctively prays and seeks out a God he normally does not worship.
But then weeks went by, and nothing happened. No Judgement Day. No wrath of God, and gradually people deceived themselves and trusted in their lives again.
But the Bible tells us that there IS an end. There is a day of Reckoning. Judgement Day is near.
And like those people in New Orleans, and like those people in the World Trade Center buildings, the world will know once again that their lives are a dream, an illusion. And they will wake up to the awful truth. The truth that they lived in rebellion against God, and God is angry at them, and now, they must answer to God for their lives!!
However, for the believer, it is another story. When the Judgement Day comes, or even if some other calamity comes, it cannot touch us.
I am already saved. My future is glorious.
If God is for me, who can be against me?
If you have God, you have everything.
But if you do NOT have God, you have NOTHING!!
i was just wondering...
I still wouldn't bother. The bible is full of contradictions, so religious fanatatics will always choose the point of view that's convenient for them at a particular time. They think they can talk their way out of anything, and so they do. Rationality will always come second to the bible. Just let them be, because you're never going to change them. You can't change someone who doesn't want to be changed, and you can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped. Golden lessons in life.
HAHA. The bible is full of contradictions because God has not opened your eyes or ears.
My God is crafty. He tests us all the time.
See, the bible does appear contradictory but I'll tell you how the bible was written.
It is like a giant jigsaw puzzle. A million pieces. And you look at one piece, and you look at another piece, and they seem contradictory.
God even, LOL, encourages this, by setting "traps" in the bible. Unless we have eyes to see, and ears to hear, there is no way we can possibly understand, and the Bible's secret nuggets of truth are hidden from us.
Do you know who Paul is? He was a pharisee, a biblical scholar of the highest order. He had studied the Bible for years, and years, and he was very learned.
And yet, Paul, in his zealousness for God, sought to murder Christians. He actively rounded up Christians and had them tortured, and killed.
And all this time, Paul thought he had the truth.
However, God had a great purpose for Paul. God would use Paul to write most of the New Testament. So one day, on a journey to Damascus, Paul heard a voice from heaven, and shocked, Paul asked who art thou, Lord? And the voice said it is me, Jesus. Why dost thou persecute me?
And God opened his eyes, to see, and it was as if scales had dropped from his eyes.
You see, you cannot possibly understand the Bible. The Bible is a spiritual book with many layers of meaning. Like Paul, even if you had devoted your life to studying it, unless God opened your eyes, you could never understand it.
This is why the Bible is full of contradictions to you. This is why Christianity makes no sense.
But let me tell you this. I have not found ONE single contradiction in the bible that could not be explained. There is NO MISTAKE in the bible. None. If there is even ONE single mistake, then EVERYTHING is false, and God is not God.
But God is perfect. God cannot sin, and God cannot make mistakes.
What appears initially to be a mistake, is just one small jigsaw piece. But as you put more of the pieces together, it forms a cohesive perfect picture of truth.
Somebody Who Loves, you are definately an expert in one thing:
Attempting to talk your way out of a situation which seems desperate and failing miserably.
You have lost the argument, you are the only one who hasn't noticed. Incidentally, that is also one of the main foundations of Christianity.
Too bad the Romans were so tolerant ;-P
I'm not a miracle worker. I can't convince anyone to believe. I am not a saleman.
Of course you won't accept what I say.
You can't possibly understand, unless God opens your eyes.
My job isn't to sell anything. My job is only to teach, to warn, and to declare the truth.
As a witness of God, I merely plant seeds. It is God who shall water.
:)
i found it quite clever and long-winded...
*snickers* ...there's no hope for him, sister...
*snickers* ...there's no hope for him, sister...
Um..I'm a guy!
LOL!
oh...well...*awkward* erm, sorry brother
Nothing wrong in the bible? Here's one:
Zechariah 11:12 says:
I then said to them, 'If it seems right to you, give me my wages; but if not, keep them.' So they weighed out as my wages thirty shekels of silver.
Matthew 27:9 says:
Then was fulfilled what had been spoken through the prophet Jeremiah, 'And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of the one on whom a price had been set, on whom some of the people of Isreal had set a price.'
It seems someone quoted the wrong book! My eyes are wide open, SomebodyWhoHates. Let's see if you can talk your way out of this one. If you choose to believe it was God who wrote the bible, then you have no reputable place in even the 19th century, never mind the 20th or 21st.
Does your church teach you this blasphemy? There was no new testament during the time of Paul, as he was its first writer, in the 50s and early 60s CE. And you can't be referring to the old testament, because that wasn't officially canonized until the council of Jamnia in 90 CE. Paul died in 64 CE. Paul is the man who started Christianity as a means of including gentiles into Jewish worship in synagogues. So, nice try. In fact, that's the first time a biography of the apostle Paul has made me laugh.
I could waste hours on your worthless drivel-filled posts, but this is all I feel like addressing at the moment. Excuse me, for I've forgotten my umbrella and I need to share with ThomasQuinn.
Zechariah 11:12 says:
I then said to them, 'If it seems right to you, give me my wages; but if not, keep them.' So they weighed out as my wages thirty shekels of silver.
Matthew 27:9 says:
Then was fulfilled what had been spoken through the prophet Jeremiah, 'And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of the one on whom a price had been set, on whom some of the people of Isreal had set a price.'
It seems someone quoted the wrong book! My eyes are wide open, SomebodyWhoHates. Let's see if you can talk your way out of this one. If you choose to believe it was God who wrote the bible, then you have no reputable place in even the 19th century, never mind the 20th or 21st.
Do you know who Paul is? He was a pharisee, a biblical scholar of the highest order. He had studied the Bible for years, and years, and he was very learned. And yet, Paul, in his zealousness for God, sought to murder Christians. He actively rounded up Christians and had them tortured, and killed.
Does your church teach you this blasphemy? There was no new testament during the time of Paul, as he was its first writer, in the 50s and early 60s CE. And you can't be referring to the old testament, because that wasn't officially canonized until the council of Jamnia in 90 CE. Paul died in 64 CE. Paul is the man who started Christianity as a means of including gentiles into Jewish worship in synagogues. So, nice try. In fact, that's the first time a biography of the apostle Paul has made me laugh.
I could waste hours on your worthless drivel-filled posts, but this is all I feel like addressing at the moment. Excuse me, for I've forgotten my umbrella and I need to share with ThomasQuinn.
oh...well...*awkward* erm, sorry brother
No apologies needed.
Nothing wrong in the bible? Here's one:
Zechariah 11:12 says:
I then said to them, 'If it seems right to you, give me my wages; but if not, keep them.' So they weighed out as my wages thirty shekels of silver.
Matthew 27:9 says:
Then was fulfilled what had been spoken through the prophet Jeremiah, 'And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of the one on whom a price had been set, on whom some of the people of Isreal had set a price.'
It seems someone quoted the wrong book! My eyes are wide open, SomebodyWhoHates. Let's see if you can talk your way out of this one. If you choose to believe it was God who wrote the bible, then you have no reputable place in even the 19th century, never mind the 20th or 21st.
God is the Author of the Bible. Every single word was inspired by God and written down by prophets. There can be no mistake.
If there is one error, then God is not God.
As for Matthew 27:9, it can be easily explained.
In our english translations, the translators used the word "Jeremiah" for the Greek Word "Iepeuias". The hebrew words for "Jeremiah", and "Zechariah" are similiar, maybe equivalent. Jeremiah means "Jah is high". Zechariah means "Jah is renown". Both are equivalent.
Here, in this case, the English translators simply translated the Greek word incorrectly because of the close similarities of Jeremiah and Zechariah.
However, given the context of the verse, it is CLEAR that God's intent here for the word "Iepeuias", which can be translated either Jeremiah or Zechariah, is not Jeremiah, but Zechariah. The verse comes from as you've stated, Zechariah 11:12.
As I've stated, there are no errors in the Bible. There might be errors in Translations because people make mistakes, but God himself is PERFECTLY ACCURATE.
When we read the bible, we see a cohesiveness from Genesis to Revelations. Although the bible was written over a span of thousands of years, and by many human scribes, it has an impossible cohesiveness that can only be explained because God is the true Author. God is the one who inspired these men to write the bible.
Does your church teach you this blasphemy? There was no new testament during the time of Paul, as he was its first writer, in the 50s and early 60s CE. And you can't be referring to the old testament, because that wasn't officially canonized until the council of Jamnia in 90 CE. Paul died in 64 CE. Paul is the man who started Christianity as a means of including gentiles into Jewish worship in synagogues. So, nice try. In fact, that's the first time a biography of the apostle Paul has made me laugh.
I could waste hours on your worthless drivel-filled posts, but this is all I feel like addressing at the moment. Excuse me, for I've forgotten my umbrella and I need to share with ThomasQuinn.
I'm going to focus on this statement of yours:
"And you can't be referring to the old testament, because that wasn't officially canonized until the council of Jamnia in 90 CE. Paul died in 64 CE. "
So are you trying to say that Paul, because he died before the OT was canonized in 90CE couldn't have possibly been a biblical scholar?
Nonsense.
Paul was a Jewish Bible scholar. He clearly was a learned scholar of the Bible (the OT). What we consider the OT today was the bible in Paul's day. And like most Jewish scholars, they failed to understand the nature of the Messiah. They failed to understand Isaiah 53. Because they were spiritually blinded.
To this day, the majority of Jews still reject Jesus as their Messiah, although there are a remnant who do believe in Jesus Christ.