I don't hate FM but...

The Real Wizard 03 September 2005 10:03 · Member since August 2002

Paul was a Jewish Bible scholar. He clearly was a learned scholar of the Bible (the OT). What we consider the OT today was the bible in Paul's day

That cannot be proven. What we cannot know is "what kind of bible" Paul was a scholar of. We do not know which books were rejected at the council of Jamnia in 90 CE, hence we cannot know to what extent Paul would have been a scholar of jewish scriptures. Paul makes very few references to Jewish scripture, anyway. He mostly talks about his spiritual experiences. We cannot know the writings that were rejected. But then, there are of course non-canonical writings, but that's a whole other discussion.

SomebodyWhoLoves wrote:
In our english translations, the translators used the word "Jeremiah" for the Greek Word "Iepeuias". The hebrew words for "Jeremiah", and "Zechariah" are similiar, maybe equivalent.

There should be no room for speculation. The bible is a completely human creation for human reasons. There are errors all over the place. One only sees them if their spiritual blinders are not on. You, with your spiritual blinders, are trying to find any possible way to rationalize such errors because you believe God wrote the bible. You fundamentalists will adjust history in any way you can to match your belief system.

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Sir Archie Leach 03 September 2005 10:15 · Member since August 2005

I've just had a word with the big fella upstairs and he said SomebodyWhoLoves is a pain in t'arse.

Not my words.

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i_am_a_killer_queen_darling! 03 September 2005 12:12 · Member since September 2005

how can you hate fm it is a radio setting lol
i am afraid that u r parsely ryt n sorta wrong everthing cept the bit bout him being ultimately unhealthy so plz bugger off n get yr fact straight and try n straighten yr face u sad morbid git!

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SomebodyWhoLoves 03 September 2005 12:17 · Member since October 2002

That cannot be proven. What we cannot know is "what kind of bible" Paul was a scholar of. We do not know which books were rejected at the council of Jamnia in 90 CE, hence we cannot know to what extent Paul would have been a scholar of jewish scriptures.

Paul writes of himself in Phil 3:5, "...as touching the law, a Pharisee...".

Paul was very well versed in what we would call today, the Old Testament. God would have protected his Bible back then, just as He protects the Bible today. God is in total control over everything. Do you think He would control everything else but allow his Word to fall into disarray?

No, God protects his Word, and ensures its authenticity and integrity.

Paul makes very few references to Jewish scripture, anyway. He mostly talks about his spiritual experiences. We cannot know the writings that were rejected. But then, there are of course non-canonical writings, but that's a whole other discussion.

Wrong again. Paul makes plenty of references of OT scripture. He cites again and again verses from the OT that prove Jesus was the Messiah. The book of Romans is Paul's commentary of the Old Testament. There, he explains where and how the Jews went wrong.

There should be no room for speculation.

I have not speculated. I told you very certain what the nature of the error was. It was not God's error, but an error of the English translators.

The bible is a completely human creation for human reasons. There are errors all over the place.

There are no errors in the Original Bible which are the Hebrew and Greek writings.

But mistakes were made in Translations to different languages. Men make mistakes, God never.

One only sees them if their spiritual blinders are not on. You, with your spiritual blinders, are trying to find any possible way to rationalize such errors because you believe God wrote the bible. You fundamentalists will adjust history in any way you can to match your belief system.

Where have I adjusted history? Where have I rationalized? Did you even read my explanation?

You cited a verse where you thought there was an error, and I explained quite clearly that it is not a genuine error but an error in translation.

The problem with you is that you approach the Bible looking for errors, and when you see a verse that looks to be an error, you IMMEDIATELY JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS, saying aHA! Here you go! God is not infallible! Errors exists so therefore, the Bible is not trustworthy.

But any true student of the Bible knows that the Bible is infallible, and has not a single error. We may not initially understand the Bible, but by studying and delving deeper into the Bible, we can eventually see the truth.

But someone of your attitude will NEVER understand the Bible. It will always be a unreliable relic, a book full of errors. It's because that's what you want to see.

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Missy May 03 September 2005 12:35 · Member since December 2004

SomebodyWhoLoves wrote:

In ONE hour, the World Trade Center buildings fell, and were destroyed. And people were terrified beyond measure. It was as if, a veil was lifted from their eyes, and they suddenly saw the truth of life. Suddenly, it didn't matter if they had 250k salary, or owned a mansion or drove fine automobiles. Their material goods became meaningless. They trembled and feared that Judgement Day was truly approaching. Because mankind knows instinctively that there is a God. This is why, when man faces a calamity, he instinctively prays and seeks out a God he normally does not worship.

HOW DARE YOU! HOW DARE YOU! How can you have the audacity to mention the people who died in 9/11 in your little rants about hell. a boy from my old CHURCH's (get that? HE WENT TO CHURCH HIS WHOLE LIFE) dad DIED in 9/11 and your sitting there talking about it in your crazed rants. That is TRULEY DISGUSTING!

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i_am_a_killer_queen_darling! 03 September 2005 12:36 · Member since September 2005

surely when Freddie was alive he had enough aligations fired at him about being on drugs an addiction to morphin but now you just keep them coming they wrote rip on his grave why must you prevent that from happening?

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SomebodyWhoLoves 03 September 2005 12:42 · Member since October 2002

HOW DARE YOU! HOW DARE YOU! How can you have the audacity to mention the people who died in 9/11 in your little rants about hell. a boy from my old CHURCH's (get that? HE WENT TO CHURCH HIS WHOLE LIFE) dad DIED in 9/11 and your sitting there talking about it in your crazed rants. That is TRULEY DISGUSTING!

It's called Freedom of Speech. Why can't anyone talk about the 9/11 victims? Why not?

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Missy May 03 September 2005 12:58 · Member since December 2004

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SomebodyWhoLoves 03 September 2005 14:07 · Member since October 2002

ThomasQuinn wrote:
SomebodyWhoLoves wrote:

HOW DARE YOU! HOW DARE YOU! How can you have the audacity to mention the people who died in 9/11 in your little rants about hell. a boy from my old CHURCH's (get that? HE WENT TO CHURCH HIS WHOLE LIFE) dad DIED in 9/11 and your sitting there talking about it in your crazed rants. That is TRULEY DISGUSTING!

It's called Freedom of Speech. Why can't anyone talk about the 9/11 victims? Why not?

There is also something called 'respect'. Sadly, the church and it's fundamentalist members such as yourself never had much of that. Or tollerance, for that matter, which is the reason I don't show any towards you (of either of the previously mentioned).

And I have not shown any disrespect to the victims of 9/11. I have no idea what you're talking about.

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SomebodyWhoLoves 03 September 2005 15:26 · Member since October 2002

ThomasQuinn wrote:
SomebodyWhoLoves wrote:
I have no idea what you're talking about.

Exactly. That is why this discussion isn't going anywhere, you don't have a clue what we are all saying to you.

You still don't understand that you're in deep trouble with God. You have nothing going for you at all in your life. Nothing. The only good thing is that today is still the day of salvation. Judgement Day has not yet happened. That's the only good thing.

But it could be tomorrow. It could be tonight, and then you're on your way to Hell, inspite of your stubborn insistence. Like those poor people of 9/11 and New Orleans, in one hour, in one day, their life and everything they had was taken from them. That is your fate, unless you make peace with God.

I am not trying to disrespect anyone, I'm trying to help. If I were you in your shoes, I'd be trembling.

As Jesus himself stated whenever he preached, to whom has ears to hear!

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*3*Playful as a pussycat 03 September 2005 16:36 · Member since March 2005

SWL, my dear, ill say it again; STOP JUDGING THESE PEOPLE! u have no right to and im sure that God isnt too happy with you saying they are damned for hell!

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Boy Thomas Raker 03 September 2005 23:43 · Member since July 2004

Someone (SWL) needs a blowjob to loosen them up. Whenever I get one, I always say "OH MY GOD!"

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The Real Wizard 04 September 2005 02:50 · Member since August 2002

ThomasQuinn wrote:
There are no mistakes in the original Hebrew and Greek? I can read it (and I'm sure you can't, so you can't know if there aren't), and I can assure you there are plenty of mistakes there!

No, every Greek translator in the history of biblical scholarship has been wrong, including those who wrote the books on translating ancient Greek - and SWH is right. What were you thinking??!!?

I've had enough of your judgements and bigotry, SomebodyWhoHates (I actually have fun writing that). I have said dozens of things to try to get through that thick skull of yours, but you just keep pandering back to your invisible avenger and your little book. These metaphysical ideas and texts are only truth if you believe they are truth.

You need to realize that not everyone needs a crutch like religion, especially not one that's so fanatical and judgemental as yours. I am an emotionally and mentally strong person, but unfortunately, there are many in this world who are not. I can only hope you don't suck these kinds of susceptible people into your systems of fear by manipulating them to believe they shouldn't have control over their lives, and that they'll pay later for not living their lives as you would see fit. I wish them luck, and I also wish you luck - luck in that one day you may hit a point in your personal growth that you won't feel the need to impose your beliefs on other people, and consistently tell them they are wrong, all because you think you have the one and only truth. Jesus said: Love your enemies. That's what I just did.

And don't even try to rationalize your actions as doing the same, because you're "trying to save us from hell". Don't mix the physical with the metaphysical. You will attain little to no credibility with thinking-oriented people by doing that. Metaphysical proof does not work on most rational people, in case you haven't noticed.

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StrangeQuark 04 September 2005 18:07 · Member since March 2002

thank you, somebodywholoves, for being the sole voice of reason on this topic. you argue well with excellent logic, though your words fall on deaf ears. but take heard that you will share in God's glory on Judgement Day, while the others will perish in the lake of fire.

truly, God bless you

i visit this board so rarely any more, and it tears me apart to see all the people so blinded by the glitter of fame and glory. i think this topic has really convinced me not to return 4ever.

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SomebodyWhoLoves 04 September 2005 20:05 · Member since October 2002

StrangeQuark wrote:
thank you, somebodywholoves, for being the sole voice of reason on this topic. you argue well with excellent logic, though your words fall on deaf ears. but take heard that you will share in God's glory on Judgement Day, while the others will perish in the lake of fire.

truly, God bless you

i visit this board so rarely any more, and it tears me apart to see all the people so blinded by the glitter of fame and glory. i think this topic has really convinced me not to return 4ever.

God bless you too. I hope to see you and all the other Believers in Heaven on Judgement Day.

It is sad, and heart-breaking to see willful rebellion in action, right in front of our eyes. We tell them the plain truth, and they still reject it.

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