Bonham is clearly ahead. He's in the top of the "best of" cathegory. Roger, on the other hand, is not.
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I'm in accord with Arlene R. Weiss and The hero in the facts that RT serves much more the band and I love the rithmic way RT rocks and the hi-hat-accent "tip".
Roger had a great capability with his voice, and is a lso a good music and lirycs compositor, while Bonham had not. On the other hand Roger has a kind of disgust in inventing "just-in-time" the beat.
Onestly I loved and will always love Queen sound so I keep near to me RT sound, but Bonham is universally considered the most estimated drummer of all the time.
I love Queen ! Queen still rocks with their music !
LedZep (with all the respects) NOT !
Just a few little words about a thing:
To me it seems that Queen songs had no time at all.... Like wine their songs acquire something special in time. It's like they wrote them "before their time". I don't know if you agree.
seeya
Claudio
Roger had a great capability with his voice, and is a lso a good music and lirycs compositor, while Bonham had not. On the other hand Roger has a kind of disgust in inventing "just-in-time" the beat.
Onestly I loved and will always love Queen sound so I keep near to me RT sound, but Bonham is universally considered the most estimated drummer of all the time.
I love Queen ! Queen still rocks with their music !
LedZep (with all the respects) NOT !
Just a few little words about a thing:
To me it seems that Queen songs had no time at all.... Like wine their songs acquire something special in time. It's like they wrote them "before their time". I don't know if you agree.
seeya
Claudio
yeh i do listen to more than Queen, i just dont hear teh otehr band members names spring up as nearly as much as Queens, someone mentions Queen around here and you hear all the bands names, any other band u only hear 1 name which tends to be the lead singer. e.g.
U2-most people just say Bono, although i know Bono and The Edge etc etc
U2-most people just say Bono, although i know Bono and The Edge etc etc
For technique and talent, John Bonham by a country mile.
When comparing drummers, mentioning RT's vocals is about as relevant as saying he was better looking too.
And I stil reckon Neil Peart of Rush is better than the rest.
When comparing drummers, mentioning RT's vocals is about as relevant as saying he was better looking too.
And I stil reckon Neil Peart of Rush is better than the rest.
Jeff Porcaro (RIP) of Toto is my personal favourite. Jeff not only played with Toto but was probably the most sought after session drummer of all time. This meant he played with hundreds of other artists with lots of different styles. From Madonna, Steely Dan & Springsteen to Clapton, Elton & Frampton (to name but a few) Jeff stamped his wonderful style on their music. As a drummer myself he is my absolute hero, Check him out. Also lets not forget Ian Paice (Deep Purple), Cozy Powell & Ginger Baker (Cream). Roger is a wonderful drummer but is he better than Bonham????? I'm not so sure. Even Roger thinks Bonham was the best.
http://www.frontiernet.net/~cybraria/jptracks.htm Check out this list of artists that Jeff Porcaro played for.
This question is not an opinion matter!
It is what it is:
Taylor Vs Bonham
I only accept Taylor if you`ve fallen asleep during a Zeppelin concert. The question is not who`s your favourite player, is who`s the best!
And you can argue with every arguments on your book, but never, I mean never, you can say that Taylor was a better drumer than Bonham.
It is what it is.
Of course they were both perfect for their bands, try change Taylor for Zeppelin or Bonham for Queen and probably we wouldn`t be here today talking about these two wonderfull bands.
The same thing goes with Brian May. He`s my favourite guitar player but is it fair to say he`s the best?- No. And you can talk about feeling, harmonization, etc, Still doesn`t make him as the best player, only your favourite one.
You have Steve Vai, Holdsworth, Van Halen, etc.
As a band Queen remain unmatchable in songwriting and performing (this is a question of my personal taste because you have the Beatles, etc).
This is not the olympics and they`re not competing with each other, but lets be honest here.
Take care
It is what it is:
Taylor Vs Bonham
I only accept Taylor if you`ve fallen asleep during a Zeppelin concert. The question is not who`s your favourite player, is who`s the best!
And you can argue with every arguments on your book, but never, I mean never, you can say that Taylor was a better drumer than Bonham.
It is what it is.
Of course they were both perfect for their bands, try change Taylor for Zeppelin or Bonham for Queen and probably we wouldn`t be here today talking about these two wonderfull bands.
The same thing goes with Brian May. He`s my favourite guitar player but is it fair to say he`s the best?- No. And you can talk about feeling, harmonization, etc, Still doesn`t make him as the best player, only your favourite one.
You have Steve Vai, Holdsworth, Van Halen, etc.
As a band Queen remain unmatchable in songwriting and performing (this is a question of my personal taste because you have the Beatles, etc).
This is not the olympics and they`re not competing with each other, but lets be honest here.
Take care
Of course you are right, it is a matter of opinion & taste
I would like to respond to that, that after Bonham died Led Zeppelin didn't produce anything in the 80s and 90s anymore. A lot of the songs I hear on the radio by Queen are 80s songs. ]
On the other hand, I don't believe Led Zeppelin would go along with the 80s style, but we'll never know.
no they didn't. but both page and plant fitted into the 80s scene reasonably well
Plant had solo hits - and Page's other project - the Firm produced a very 80s-sound
Roger said himself that Bonham is number one for ever...
But, in my opinion, it depends on a song - you can't find the Brian's great guitar playing on some Queen songs, so what? Does it make him bad guitarist? If Roger would play Led Zep's stuff maybe he'd do it better than John, maybe not, who knows...
But, in my opinion, it depends on a song - you can't find the Brian's great guitar playing on some Queen songs, so what? Does it make him bad guitarist? If Roger would play Led Zep's stuff maybe he'd do it better than John, maybe not, who knows...
Speaking on this subject, does anybody know what kind of tension Roger used on his pedal?
Roger said himself that Bonham is number one for ever...
But, in my opinion, it depends on a song - you can't find the Brian's great guitar playing on some Queen songs, so what? Does it make him bad guitarist? If Roger would play Led Zep's stuff maybe he'd do it better than John, maybe not, who knows...
I used to have a bootleg of Brian and Roger doing Rock and Roll and Roger nails the drum part at the end. So Roger can do some Zep, but then again who cant do a lot of Zep.
Roger said himself that Bonham is number one for ever...
But, in my opinion, it depends on a song - you can't find the Brian's great guitar playing on some Queen songs, so what? Does it make him bad guitarist? If Roger would play Led Zep's stuff maybe he'd do it better than John, maybe not, who knows...
I used to have a bootleg of Brian and Roger doing Rock and Roll and Roger nails the drum part at the end. So Roger can do some Zep, but then again who cant do a lot of Zep.
This is from Roger's gig in Wolverhampton from Electric Fire tour I think.
Roger played some LZ songs, but I meant a little bit different thing - playing them in the studio or on many gigs at least (like they did with Jailhouse Rock etc.), so of course he can play them. But still we don't have enough of common criterions to compare Roger and John.
I think we have to mention Neil Peart from Rush.
What do you think about him?
What do you think about him?
Exactly, I don't know why most people say things like "Roger was the best drummer because he sang and composed". It's, as somebody else pointed out, as ridiculous as saying that he's the best because of his looks.
If we're comparing Roger and Bonzo as drummers, what matters is how well they drum, it doesn't matter who composed, produced, sang or played the guitar better. And, as far as that's concerned, John Bonham wins by light years.
Having said that, perhaps Roger is a slightly better integral musician (in that case we do count that Bonzo never wrote a song like Days Of Our Lives and never performed an entire choir by himself like Mr Taylor in I Wanna Testify).
Btw, Roger didn't only sing high, he could sing fairly low as well. His abilities went way beyond the screaming.
If we're comparing Roger and Bonzo as drummers, what matters is how well they drum, it doesn't matter who composed, produced, sang or played the guitar better. And, as far as that's concerned, John Bonham wins by light years.
Having said that, perhaps Roger is a slightly better integral musician (in that case we do count that Bonzo never wrote a song like Days Of Our Lives and never performed an entire choir by himself like Mr Taylor in I Wanna Testify).
Btw, Roger didn't only sing high, he could sing fairly low as well. His abilities went way beyond the screaming.