When you say "tension", what are you refering to? The pedal or the bassdrum head?
There are not many footage of Roger's pedals
over the years. In fact, only a few years ago I discovered that in the Magic Tour he used a double bassdrum pedal! (It came useful to do for instance that drum fill in the end of Tie Your Mother Down). In the 2005 tour, he also uses a double bass drum pedal. You get to hear that a lot in his drum solo.
Anyway, the tension one uses is not important, because it is adapted to each individual. So, even if you use the same tension as Roger, perhaps you would have the same "mean", but not the same "end". My advice would be, try many tensions playing a song and see what suits you better.
As for those black things, I suppose they are e-drum pads. They did not sound good to me, but at least not as awfull as the drums in the Works Tour! LOL
Hope this helps! ;)
Nevermind the jokes from blokes, if you have doubts, share them!
I don't think he used double bassdrum pedal in the magic tour and the 2005 tour. He plays fast notes in groups of 3 or 6 (whatever you want)at the end of TYMD. In his solo on the 2005 tour he used the same things. But then he played fast notes ( a mix of toms and bassdrum) in groups of 3. I hope you understand gheghe. It's difficult to explain in English.
Then : the thing about I want it all. My drumteacher says Roger plays double bassdrum pedal in the fast rockpart of the song. According to my drumteacher that's a very difficult thing to play. It doesn't match with the great, but most of the time, simple style Roger plays. So I doubt it. It's very difficult to hear. When they played it at FM tribute concert he used a single pedal.
Roger definitely doesn't use a double pedal on any of the Magic tour footage I've heard and seen, or on the 2005 Q+PR tour. Can't say for sure, but based on the sound of it, and the fact that none of the other 'The Miracle' sessions have any double kick drum on, I'd say that the fast bit in 'I Want it All' is definitely single pedal - it's nothing too tricky, just quick.
The e-drum thing referred to is known as a bar - a few companies make them and I don't know what make Roger used at the Tribute concert, but could be a DDrum?? ( I use a Yamaha one which is a BP80).
The only recording I can instantly think of that Roger has used a double kick drum on (or double pedal on a single drum)is the re-recorded version of 'Final Destination' from the 'Foreign Sand' single. Amazing that there was nothing really outstanding on the 'Happiness' album drumwise, yet the drumming on 'Final Destination' was outstanding, and the best bit of virtuoso drumming for years from him, and it was 'hidden' away!
Well im gettin a drum set and i want mine really to look like the set he had at Live Aid 85. I thought they were pretty good except the sound was a tiny bit naff!
The best looking kit is his Ludwig/Sleishmann kit from the tribute concert and the current Tour.
he def uses double base drum on the 2005 tour, it is very noticable on the newcastle boot, and i could tell when i saw the base drum bouncin durin the solo when i was at the gig. DEF double base on the 2005 tour.
Well im gettin a drum set and i want mine really to look like the set he had at Live Aid 85. I thought they were pretty good except the sound was a tiny bit naff!
The best looking kit is his Ludwig/Sleishmann kit from the tribute concert and the current Tour.
Also the best sounding in my opinion too.
You have any idea how much a Sleishman would cost to have made and shipped over to UK? cos most UK places dont do em, its australian i think, it would cost a fookin fortune!
I just watched a part of the 46664 concert, the gig for Brixton Academy and they film his bassdrum pedal while Roger is playing WWRY. You only see 1 pedal. This of course could have changed when the official tour started but I am not sure about it. Does anyone of you have a picture of it or do you have some examples of songs of the last tour where he uses the double pedal? I think it's really cool if he used it.
Dunno if this will add anything but here goes... My mate has a double pedal system and it's pretty cool. However, I grew to dislike it as I find what you can do with it pretty limiting and would only use it sparingly, myself. I wonder if Roger thought the same when he recorded.
Anyway, my eldest brother used the double-pedal and then demonstrated that he could do the same beats with just one! That made me chuckle. Before anyone chimes in and says they both sound different, yes, of course they do. It'd be dumb not to acknowledge that. It gets a different sound, so there you go.
To FightFromTheInside:
It seems to me that you have one hell of a drum kit, man! Once is completed, send us photos of that wonder...
One more thing about the sound: Keep in mind that what you hear on the CD's and stuff is the amplified sound with the mikes... that's why bands have to go through the checksound process. So, even if you tune drums in a certain way, mixing them in the P.A. can change your sound quite a bit. If you're having mics in your drum kit, tune them in a way you like, and experiment with the equalization on the mixing table. It's virtually impossible for your acoustic drum kit to sound as Roger's concert sound in the 70's.
To JDL2nd:
Yes, I know what you mean by "3 or 6". :)
I also never heard a distintive moment on Wembley 86 where Roger uses the double bass pedal, but the fact is that is there. If I'm not wrong, take a look at the photo inside the (crappy) CD of Live Magic. You'll see the double bass pedal.
As for the drum fill final on TYMD, I won't put my ass on the line, it could be double bass pedal, or just those things you call "3 or 6's" ;) It can certainly be done with a single pedal...
I'll study the video later...
As for the 2005, that's a little different, believe me. In his drum solo, he uses a double pedal for sure. :)
I Want It All... well, like I said, it's complicated, but possible. I would bet on programmed drums. Roger simplifies it when it's played live (my guess is that the fast part is the most difficult moment of the concert for him...)
To FightFromTheInside:
It seems to me that you have one hell of a drum kit, man! Once is completed, send us photos of that wonder...
One more thing about the sound: Keep in mind that what you hear on the CD's and stuff is the amplified sound with the mikes... that's why bands have to go through the checksound process. So, even if you tune drums in a certain way, mixing them in the P.A. can change your sound quite a bit. If you're having mics in your drum kit, tune them in a way you like, and experiment with the equalization on the mixing table. It's virtually impossible for your acoustic drum kit to sound as Roger's concert sound in the 70's.
To JDL2nd:
Yes, I know what you mean by "3 or 6". :)
I also never heard a distintive moment on Wembley 86 where Roger uses the double bass pedal, but the fact is that is there. If I'm not wrong, take a look at the photo inside the (crappy) CD of Live Magic. You'll see the double bass pedal.
As for the drum fill final on TYMD, I won't put my ass on the line, it could be double bass pedal, or just those things you call "3 or 6's" ;) It can certainly be done with a single pedal...
I'll study the video later...
As for the 2005, that's a little different, believe me. In his drum solo, he uses a double pedal for sure. :)
I Want It All... well, like I said, it's complicated, but possible. I would bet on programmed drums. Roger simplifies it when it's played live (my guess is that the fast part is the most difficult moment of the concert for him...)
Q-Nick: Also agree with you on the looks...
I don't see the second bassdrum pedal on the picture inside the Live magic cd. It also doesn't show a stave that goes to the other pedal (like a double bassdrum pedal system is build). But I am convinced that he used a double bassdrum pedal system during the queen + PR Tour. I've found some pictures here on this site. Great news :D
Al Tur Hao - I think I know the pic you are referring to in the 'Live Magic' artwork (the pic with Roger wearing sunglasses and singing), but the bit that I think you are confusing with the bar connecting a double pedal is actually one of the legs of his snare stand - I was fooled for a moment, but it's definitely only one pedal there!
Can someone point me to the pics on Queen Concerts showing the double pedal please? I am not saying that he definitely doesn't use one at some point, but I have never seen it, and he definitely didn't use one at Brixton. Although I haven't heard the Newcastle 2005 gig referred to, none of the other bootlegs I've heard from the tour have double pedal work, and none of Queen's recorded work really warrants any double kick, so I still won't believe it until I see it!!
Al Tur Hao - I think I know the pic you are referring to in the 'Live Magic' artwork (the pic with Roger wearing sunglasses and singing), but the bit that I think you are confusing with the bar connecting a double pedal is actually one of the legs of his snare stand - I was fooled for a moment, but it's definitely only one pedal there!
Can someone point me to the pics on Queen Concerts showing the double pedal please? I am not saying that he definitely doesn't use one at some point, but I have never seen it, and he definitely didn't use one at Brixton. Although I haven't heard the Newcastle 2005 gig referred to, none of the other bootlegs I've heard from the tour have double pedal work, and none of Queen's recorded work really warrants any double kick, so I still won't believe it until I see it!!
Al TurHao, pics will have to wait. My camera decided to bust on me while I was taking a pic today so I have to get mine fixed. As soon as its fixed, ill send you a pic.
I really don't think Rog uses a double bass drum pedal.
Using the example of the end of Tie Your Mother Down... perhaps he is a better drummer, I don't know (although I know Dave begs to differ!) but listen to Dave Grohl play on the Queens Of The Stone Age song ''First It Giveth''. That is played with a single pedal, and its almost like he's playing the bass drum with his sticks its o fast. I'm not saying Rog, especially at 57 could do it, but it can easily be done fast, especially with the correct technique.
