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This is a very interesting subject, indeed. I have to make my point here or else I will be blown in peaces.
Some of you say that what Brian has been through is common for a man of his age. True or almost true. On the other hand consider the fact, that he has always been a very sensitive person. Without that, some of his wonderful music wouldn’t have been around. I can’t imagine my military-trained father getting too-depressed cos his friend or even his parents died, but I can’t imagine him writing a song like Who Want to Live Forever or The Show Must Go On, either. No fucking way. And this has nothing to do with the music talent but with the depths one allows, being in touch with his feelings, his diversity and his most complex thoughts. Try to be more open and informed about issues like creativity and depression. Perhaps read the books “Touched By Fire”, or “The dynamics of Creativity”. You really have to be more thoughtful, in such issues, cos it seams that you can’t have the one without the other. Artistic creativity and extra-sensitivity or mood disorders come hand in hand I am afraid.
On the other hand, as much as I love Freddie, I would say that he also suffered mentally in some degree. But he had a really interesting way to make his sorrow turned to charisma and to the contrast of it, witch was absolute joy and the fast/care –free living he adopted. I will always remember what I read once in an article about Freddie, saying that “The stage is the perfect home for the Outcast”. He had the balls, the brains, the nerve, and the talent to do it, but that doesn’t mean necessarily he was in peace inside… (Well, only a small amount of us are, I guess).
Some of you say that what Brian has been through is common for a man of his age. True or almost true. On the other hand consider the fact, that he has always been a very sensitive person. Without that, some of his wonderful music wouldn’t have been around. I can’t imagine my military-trained father getting too-depressed cos his friend or even his parents died, but I can’t imagine him writing a song like Who Want to Live Forever or The Show Must Go On, either. No fucking way. And this has nothing to do with the music talent but with the depths one allows, being in touch with his feelings, his diversity and his most complex thoughts. Try to be more open and informed about issues like creativity and depression. Perhaps read the books “Touched By Fire”, or “The dynamics of Creativity”. You really have to be more thoughtful, in such issues, cos it seams that you can’t have the one without the other. Artistic creativity and extra-sensitivity or mood disorders come hand in hand I am afraid.
On the other hand, as much as I love Freddie, I would say that he also suffered mentally in some degree. But he had a really interesting way to make his sorrow turned to charisma and to the contrast of it, witch was absolute joy and the fast/care –free living he adopted. I will always remember what I read once in an article about Freddie, saying that “The stage is the perfect home for the Outcast”. He had the balls, the brains, the nerve, and the talent to do it, but that doesn’t mean necessarily he was in peace inside… (Well, only a small amount of us are, I guess).
Everyone should remember that mike hunt picks arbitrary fights with people he doesn't agree with. Instead of listening to other peoples' opinions, he instead forces his own until you become so frustrated with reading his poorly-structured, grammatically-challenged doublespeak that you have no choice but to throw your hands into the air, admit defeat, and ignore him for as long as is humanly possible.
His "opinions", as he likes to present, are valid, but anyone who doesn't agree with him isn't a Queen fan, in his eyes. It's his own way or it's nothing at all. I expect one of Mr. Hunt's most eloquent rebuttals to this post to be little other than an insult-filled rant along with misspelled words, grammar that would make a newborn blush, and frequent questions about my status as a Queen fan. And all I will do is humor the freak, because he is nothing else than an Internet bully, and if his e-penis grows ever so larger by berating a fellow Queen fan over his own views, then consider this response to be his Viagra.
Of course, I can't take him seriously until he actually posts a well-thought and structured sentence; until that day arrives, I will merely consider him to be little other than a laughingstock of Queenzone, and I highly doubt I'm the only one who feels this way.
His "opinions", as he likes to present, are valid, but anyone who doesn't agree with him isn't a Queen fan, in his eyes. It's his own way or it's nothing at all. I expect one of Mr. Hunt's most eloquent rebuttals to this post to be little other than an insult-filled rant along with misspelled words, grammar that would make a newborn blush, and frequent questions about my status as a Queen fan. And all I will do is humor the freak, because he is nothing else than an Internet bully, and if his e-penis grows ever so larger by berating a fellow Queen fan over his own views, then consider this response to be his Viagra.
Of course, I can't take him seriously until he actually posts a well-thought and structured sentence; until that day arrives, I will merely consider him to be little other than a laughingstock of Queenzone, and I highly doubt I'm the only one who feels this way.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]STELIOS wrote: [/QUOTENAME]This is a very interesting subject, indeed. I have to make my point here or else I will be blown in peaces.
Some of you say that what Brian has been through is common for a man of his age. True or almost true. On the other hand consider the fact, that he has always been a very sensitive person. Without that, some of his wonderful music wouldn’t have been around. I can’t imagine my military-trained father getting too-depressed cos his friend or even his parents died, but I can’t imagine him writing a song like Who Want to Live Forever or The Show Must Go On, either. No fucking way. And this has nothing to do with the music talent but with the depths one allows, being in touch with his feelings, his diversity and his most complex thoughts. Try to be more open and informed about issues like creativity and depression. Perhaps read the books “Touched By Fire”, or “The dynamics of Creativity”. You really have to be more thoughtful, in such issues, cos it seams that you can’t have the one without the other. Artistic creativity and extra-sensitivity or mood disorders come hand in hand I am afraid.
On the other hand, as much as I love Freddie, I would say that he also suffered mentally in some degree. But he had a really interesting way to make his sorrow turned to charisma and to the contrast of it, witch was absolute joy and the fast/care –free living he adopted. I will always remember what I read once in an article about Freddie, saying that “The stage is the perfect home for the Outcast”. He had the balls, the brains, the nerve, and the talent to do it, but that doesn’t mean necessarily he was in peace inside… (Well, only a small amount of us are, I guess).
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Totally agree with you there.
Some of you say that what Brian has been through is common for a man of his age. True or almost true. On the other hand consider the fact, that he has always been a very sensitive person. Without that, some of his wonderful music wouldn’t have been around. I can’t imagine my military-trained father getting too-depressed cos his friend or even his parents died, but I can’t imagine him writing a song like Who Want to Live Forever or The Show Must Go On, either. No fucking way. And this has nothing to do with the music talent but with the depths one allows, being in touch with his feelings, his diversity and his most complex thoughts. Try to be more open and informed about issues like creativity and depression. Perhaps read the books “Touched By Fire”, or “The dynamics of Creativity”. You really have to be more thoughtful, in such issues, cos it seams that you can’t have the one without the other. Artistic creativity and extra-sensitivity or mood disorders come hand in hand I am afraid.
On the other hand, as much as I love Freddie, I would say that he also suffered mentally in some degree. But he had a really interesting way to make his sorrow turned to charisma and to the contrast of it, witch was absolute joy and the fast/care –free living he adopted. I will always remember what I read once in an article about Freddie, saying that “The stage is the perfect home for the Outcast”. He had the balls, the brains, the nerve, and the talent to do it, but that doesn’t mean necessarily he was in peace inside… (Well, only a small amount of us are, I guess).
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Totally agree with you there.
Mike, dude, learn how to read. Apart from the obvious fact that you aren't here to do anything but post nonsense, you have to learn to argue. I wrote "Freddie wrote so little 'Rocks' style material..." Not "rock songs", but "Rocks style material." They went for major chord rockers that were newer. Yes, Princes of the Universe could have made the cut. So could Gimme the Prize from the same album, or Dead on Time or Sweet Lady or White Man. There was talk of a Queen dance album, think Brian would be better represented than Fred or John if that did happen? Learn little man. Brian wrote most of the better known rockers, Freddie stopped at Jazz except for POTU.
Aldaskaya makes some good points about Brian's apparent self esteem problem. He really would be a better performer if he were not so concerned about always having to compare himelf to Freddie.
When I went to Brian's website, I also found it strange that he only includes positive reviews/comments on his news board. For instance, ROTC was basically trashed by two mainstream critics in the US who complained that Paul Rodgers simply does not compare to Freddie. The professional reviews flat out stated Queen is not Queen without Freddie. Where are those reviews on his website? Instead, he posts a series of very positive non-professional reviews written by his own fans. It is as though he cannot really handle any sort of criticism and instead has to fill his site with things that will inflate his sinking ego.
I also find it really disturbing that Brian has tried to downplay "Bohemian Rhapsody", implying that it was really not that great, despite being voted as the #1 popular music song in poll after poll around the world. I don't think that he can handle made statement (it was made at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony, for instance), that "Bohemian Rhapsody was Queen's great masterpiece". The fact that he acts hostile toward Freddie's masterpiece (when everyone elso agrees that it is one of the greatest achievements in rock music) indicates that Brian in fact may NOT be all that nice.
When I went to Brian's website, I also found it strange that he only includes positive reviews/comments on his news board. For instance, ROTC was basically trashed by two mainstream critics in the US who complained that Paul Rodgers simply does not compare to Freddie. The professional reviews flat out stated Queen is not Queen without Freddie. Where are those reviews on his website? Instead, he posts a series of very positive non-professional reviews written by his own fans. It is as though he cannot really handle any sort of criticism and instead has to fill his site with things that will inflate his sinking ego.
I also find it really disturbing that Brian has tried to downplay "Bohemian Rhapsody", implying that it was really not that great, despite being voted as the #1 popular music song in poll after poll around the world. I don't think that he can handle made statement (it was made at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony, for instance), that "Bohemian Rhapsody was Queen's great masterpiece". The fact that he acts hostile toward Freddie's masterpiece (when everyone elso agrees that it is one of the greatest achievements in rock music) indicates that Brian in fact may NOT be all that nice.
Brian May is good but Freddie was Queen.
Freddie = Queen RIP 1991
Freddie = Queen RIP 1991
oh please, brian is a very good guitar player but "page" or "beck" would have made queen a supergroup. just listen to "ADATR" one of queen's best albums and brian doesn't do much outside of a few songs, that album only needed freddie. myself, kingmercury, scott mercury, and tiff are a dangerous team.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]BHM 0271 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Mike, dude, learn how to read. Apart from the obvious fact that you aren't here to do anything but post nonsense, you have to learn to argue. I wrote "Freddie wrote so little 'Rocks' style material..." Not "rock songs", but "Rocks style material." They went for major chord rockers that were newer. Yes, Princes of the Universe could have made the cut. So could Gimme the Prize from the same album, or Dead on Time or Sweet Lady or White Man. There was talk of a Queen dance album, think Brian would be better represented than Fred or John if that did happen? Learn little man. Brian wrote most of the better known rockers, Freddie stopped at Jazz except for POTU. [/QUOTE]
You're forgetting 2 lil songs called Was it all worth it and the Hitman, but technically you are right since those songs were written by Queen.
You're forgetting 2 lil songs called Was it all worth it and the Hitman, but technically you are right since those songs were written by Queen.
Exactly kd... Those were group efforts, so if Mike, Scott Mercury et al, who couldn't form a coherent argument if they tried, are bitching about whose songs are on 'Rocks', they have no leg to stand on. So they throw out ridiculous statements designed to inflame and base their ill informed opinions on that. I have no trouble with people who are anti-something Queen does, just back it up with fact. These morons are incapable of that so they retreat to playground insults. Pathetic.
BHM, your desperate. You have no argument here, the bottom line is queen rocks has 14 brian songs, one freddie and two roger, at least he could have made it less obvious. you mentioned brian had a dozen other songs of his he could have added, that's not the point, don't you think it would have been a little more balanced if he added "liar" or "universe." You also showed you don't know much about queen, stating "let me entertain you" and "universe" was the last freddie rockers. Have you heard a song called "was it all worth it" or "the hit man" he also wrote most of "innuendo" i guess you forgot those little details. I agree when you think of queen you think brian hard rockers, freddie beautiful ballads, but that's not always the case, freddie wrote some of queen's best hard rock songs and brian wrote some of queen's best ballads.
BHM, your now officially part of the queenzone loser club, lester, fenderick, Sir, alex and now BHM. LESTER old pal ol mine, i'v been waiting for you. Lester, you know what i think of you, i think your a 23 year old brat who thinks he knows alot but doesn't know shit. I find it hard to believe that a 23 year old BOY knows as much about queen as a 34 year old MAN like myself, i was actually alive when queen were in their heyday. I promise This will be one of my last postings. I need to be right? MR. Lester that has nothing to do with it, people like "little beeny" and others are telling younger queen fans lies saying they were equal in the beginning, ect, obviously is not true, freddie was the one with all the creative ideas, the others just followed. now is that opinion or fact? look it up. this has nothing to do with me, and everything to do with freddie and queen and the younger queen fans like "boy of destiny." Freddie doesn't have to be your favorite member, but they need too know who was the true force in queen, who brought all these original ideas to this band called smile, i promise you it wasn't john deacon. I also think people like "sir" and "fenderick" are also the problem, their fav member happens to be brian and there's nothing wrong with that, but they also seem too have a vendetta against freddie (especially fenderick), it could be their envious because their fav member doesn't get enough respect. when they start to twist the truth around the younger fans start to believe these internet freaks. TOO ALL THE YOUNGER QUEEN FANS, STOP READING THESE POSTS and do a little research to find the truth, and for people who's fav member is other than freddie the truth might hurt. For all the brian bashing i['v been doing i'll like to say that Brian is truly one of my musical hero's he's no freddie, but still pretty brilliant, you suckers fall right into my trap. you call me stupid? No brian isn't going crazy, but i can't say the same for you people.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]R.I.P.Queen wrote: [/QUOTENAME]But with Brian, I get the feeling that, rather than praising Freddie for what a great musician he was, he to be on the defensive.[/QUOTE]
You're basing this all on ONE comment Brian made - taken out of context. BoRhap was big, but Brian was saying that it wasn't *the* pivotal moment. There were many: Hyde Park, RockU/Champs/AOBTD/CLTCL in the USA, South America 81, Rio, Live Aid, Wembley, etc. He has done nothing but praise Freddie over the past 14 years. There are hundreds of examples in magazines, TV interviews, and his soapbox. Watch the interview on the Wembley DVD to see who he praises most. You really can't be much of a Queen fan if you aren't aware of Brian's long history of praising Freddie.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]mike hunt wrote: [/QUOTENAME]oh please, brian is a very good guitar player but "page" or "beck" would have made queen a supergroup.[/QUOTE]
So you're saying Queen weren't a supergroup? They've been in the UK charts longer than The Beatles. For someone who claims to know a lot about Queen, you just proved how little you know about Queen's success in other parts of the world. And secondly, the fact that you're implying that Beck and/or Page have a more unique guitar style than Brian May shows how you must know very little about the guitar. Brian has a unique sound and style which to this day remains unrivalled. Nobody has created guitar orchestras like May. You can't say the same about Page and Beck and their respective styles. Tonnes of players have emulated them and surpassed them, but nobody can seem to nail May's style perfectly. And for the record, the only reason why May isn't commercially revered as a guitar god is because he isn't a show-off like Page, Hendrix, Eddie Van Halen, Satriani, etc.
[QUOTE]myself, kingmercury, scott mercury, and tiff are a dangerous team.[/QUOTE]
Fundamentalists to religion are you folks to Queen. But minus King Mercury... he explained himself already, so he is not part of your exclusive little group of Freddie fundamentalists.
But it's nice to see you urging people not to read posts like mine and Fenderek's. Give people some credit - they can decide for themselves which opinions they'd like to agree or disagree with. Contrary to one of your comments above, I don't have a personal vendetta against Freddie, and I don't think Fenderek does, either. People with any sense will compare my posts with yours, and they'll see who has tact, who articulates themselves well, and who exactly is tolerant. Never once have I said that your opinions are wrong or called you a childish name. The only disagreement I have with you is that you think your opinions stand above all others. For a man of 34, your behaviour is pretty pathetic.
[QUOTE]Lester, you know what i think of you, i think your a 23 year old brat who thinks he knows alot but doesn't know shit. I find it hard to believe that a 23 year old BOY knows as much about queen as a 34 year old MAN like myself, i was actually alive when queen were in their heyday.[/QUOTE]
What a horrible argument. Age is never directly proportional to knowledge. With such logic, or lack thereof, what you're saying is that it's impossible that I can know more about the guitar than anyone who is over the age of 22? If this is the kind of "logic" you use in every day life, then I can only hope your occupation isn't anything more vital to society than a vacuum cleaner salesman.
Lester, your last post was the best post on QZ of the week. Too bad it couldn't be about a subject actually worth writing about, but it was still damn well articulated, and above all, right on the money.
You're basing this all on ONE comment Brian made - taken out of context. BoRhap was big, but Brian was saying that it wasn't *the* pivotal moment. There were many: Hyde Park, RockU/Champs/AOBTD/CLTCL in the USA, South America 81, Rio, Live Aid, Wembley, etc. He has done nothing but praise Freddie over the past 14 years. There are hundreds of examples in magazines, TV interviews, and his soapbox. Watch the interview on the Wembley DVD to see who he praises most. You really can't be much of a Queen fan if you aren't aware of Brian's long history of praising Freddie.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]mike hunt wrote: [/QUOTENAME]oh please, brian is a very good guitar player but "page" or "beck" would have made queen a supergroup.[/QUOTE]
So you're saying Queen weren't a supergroup? They've been in the UK charts longer than The Beatles. For someone who claims to know a lot about Queen, you just proved how little you know about Queen's success in other parts of the world. And secondly, the fact that you're implying that Beck and/or Page have a more unique guitar style than Brian May shows how you must know very little about the guitar. Brian has a unique sound and style which to this day remains unrivalled. Nobody has created guitar orchestras like May. You can't say the same about Page and Beck and their respective styles. Tonnes of players have emulated them and surpassed them, but nobody can seem to nail May's style perfectly. And for the record, the only reason why May isn't commercially revered as a guitar god is because he isn't a show-off like Page, Hendrix, Eddie Van Halen, Satriani, etc.
[QUOTE]myself, kingmercury, scott mercury, and tiff are a dangerous team.[/QUOTE]
Fundamentalists to religion are you folks to Queen. But minus King Mercury... he explained himself already, so he is not part of your exclusive little group of Freddie fundamentalists.
But it's nice to see you urging people not to read posts like mine and Fenderek's. Give people some credit - they can decide for themselves which opinions they'd like to agree or disagree with. Contrary to one of your comments above, I don't have a personal vendetta against Freddie, and I don't think Fenderek does, either. People with any sense will compare my posts with yours, and they'll see who has tact, who articulates themselves well, and who exactly is tolerant. Never once have I said that your opinions are wrong or called you a childish name. The only disagreement I have with you is that you think your opinions stand above all others. For a man of 34, your behaviour is pretty pathetic.
[QUOTE]Lester, you know what i think of you, i think your a 23 year old brat who thinks he knows alot but doesn't know shit. I find it hard to believe that a 23 year old BOY knows as much about queen as a 34 year old MAN like myself, i was actually alive when queen were in their heyday.[/QUOTE]
What a horrible argument. Age is never directly proportional to knowledge. With such logic, or lack thereof, what you're saying is that it's impossible that I can know more about the guitar than anyone who is over the age of 22? If this is the kind of "logic" you use in every day life, then I can only hope your occupation isn't anything more vital to society than a vacuum cleaner salesman.
Lester, your last post was the best post on QZ of the week. Too bad it couldn't be about a subject actually worth writing about, but it was still damn well articulated, and above all, right on the money.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]mike hunt wrote: [/QUOTENAME] zep, the who, sabbath all did this guitar rock, in turn "leroy brown" "lap of the gods" a style that has never been heard. It's called originality my friend.[/QUOTE]
Find me one band that recorded anything like "Prophet's Song" or "Good Company"... Oh what's the point...
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]mike hunt wrote: [/QUOTENAME]BHM, your now officially part of the queenzone loser club, lester, fenderick, Sir, alex and now BHM. LESTER old pal ol mine, i'v been waiting for you. Lester, you know what i think of you, i think your a 23 year old brat who thinks he knows alot but doesn't know shit. I find it hard to believe that a 23 year old BOY knows as much about queen as a 34 year old MAN like myself, i was actually alive when queen were in their heyday. I promise This will be one of my last postings. I need to be right? MR. Lester that has nothing to do with it, people like "little beeny" and others are telling younger queen fans lies saying they were equal in the beginning, ect, obviously is not true, freddie was the one with all the creative ideas, the others just followed. now is that opinion or fact? look it up. this has nothing to do with me, and everything to do with freddie and queen and the younger queen fans like "boy of destiny." Freddie doesn't have to be your favorite member, but they need too know who was the true force in queen, who brought all these original ideas to this band called smile, i promise you it wasn't john deacon. I also think people like "sir" and "fenderick" are also the problem, their fav member happens to be brian and there's nothing wrong with that, but they also seem too have a vendetta against freddie (especially fenderick), it could be their envious because their fav member doesn't get enough respect. when they start to twist the truth around the younger fans start to believe these internet freaks. TOO ALL THE YOUNGER QUEEN FANS, STOP READING THESE POSTS and do a little research to find the truth, and for people who's fav member is other than freddie the truth might hurt. For all the brian bashing i['v been doing i'll like to say that Brian is truly one of my musical hero's he's no freddie, but still pretty brilliant, you suckers fall right into my trap. you call me stupid? No brian isn't going crazy, but i can't say the same for you people. [/QUOTE]
THIS is one of the most insane and badly written posts I have EVER met on this forum. Yes mikey, we felt into your trap, you showed us, you know the facts, we've got vendetta against Freddie, thank you oh thank you for your wise words.
Honestly- Bob, Lester, I admire your tolerance and patience and...
Ok, I'll be diplomatic as well- Mike, read my signature again and fuck off. :) Sorry- not going to waste more time on that.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]mike hunt wrote: [/QUOTENAME] and for the record what i do for a living in this great city is a pretty fucking tough job[/QUOTE]Yeah- that shows- never had time to learn proper English...
Find me one band that recorded anything like "Prophet's Song" or "Good Company"... Oh what's the point...
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]mike hunt wrote: [/QUOTENAME]BHM, your now officially part of the queenzone loser club, lester, fenderick, Sir, alex and now BHM. LESTER old pal ol mine, i'v been waiting for you. Lester, you know what i think of you, i think your a 23 year old brat who thinks he knows alot but doesn't know shit. I find it hard to believe that a 23 year old BOY knows as much about queen as a 34 year old MAN like myself, i was actually alive when queen were in their heyday. I promise This will be one of my last postings. I need to be right? MR. Lester that has nothing to do with it, people like "little beeny" and others are telling younger queen fans lies saying they were equal in the beginning, ect, obviously is not true, freddie was the one with all the creative ideas, the others just followed. now is that opinion or fact? look it up. this has nothing to do with me, and everything to do with freddie and queen and the younger queen fans like "boy of destiny." Freddie doesn't have to be your favorite member, but they need too know who was the true force in queen, who brought all these original ideas to this band called smile, i promise you it wasn't john deacon. I also think people like "sir" and "fenderick" are also the problem, their fav member happens to be brian and there's nothing wrong with that, but they also seem too have a vendetta against freddie (especially fenderick), it could be their envious because their fav member doesn't get enough respect. when they start to twist the truth around the younger fans start to believe these internet freaks. TOO ALL THE YOUNGER QUEEN FANS, STOP READING THESE POSTS and do a little research to find the truth, and for people who's fav member is other than freddie the truth might hurt. For all the brian bashing i['v been doing i'll like to say that Brian is truly one of my musical hero's he's no freddie, but still pretty brilliant, you suckers fall right into my trap. you call me stupid? No brian isn't going crazy, but i can't say the same for you people. [/QUOTE]
THIS is one of the most insane and badly written posts I have EVER met on this forum. Yes mikey, we felt into your trap, you showed us, you know the facts, we've got vendetta against Freddie, thank you oh thank you for your wise words.
Honestly- Bob, Lester, I admire your tolerance and patience and...
Ok, I'll be diplomatic as well- Mike, read my signature again and fuck off. :) Sorry- not going to waste more time on that.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]mike hunt wrote: [/QUOTENAME] and for the record what i do for a living in this great city is a pretty fucking tough job[/QUOTE]Yeah- that shows- never had time to learn proper English...