[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sebastian wrote: [/QUOTENAME]>
Because it MIGHT not be a direct reference to Under Pressure. How many songs are titled "he won't let you down", "the man with the most", "how does he do it" and so on?[/QUOTE]
Seb: I agree with you, BUT, it MIGHT also BE a direct reference to their "Under Pressure". That is why I specifically wrote:
"...I copped out! I only include "Soul Brother" as the "Under Pressure" b-side - because I honestly don't know where it fits in between the two albums..."
As Lester said: The only person who would know for sure... wouldn't tell us... not to compromise any surprises the fictional box sets possess." (That and answering inane questions on Freddie's sexuality seems to be our limits).
In the meantime, in the absence of more solid evidence, all I can do (like your good-self) and everyone else who reads this thread) is speculate.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sebastian wrote: [/QUOTENAME]> So why include a line like "When you're under pressure feeling under pressure", BEFORE the track "Under Pressure" was written?
Because it MIGHT not be a direct reference to Under Pressure. How many songs are titled "he won't let you down", "the man with the most", "how does he do it" and so on?[/QUOTE]
Seb: Remember I AGREE with you, but let's look at the lyrics.
God bless my soul here he comes now
The man with the most how does he do it?
Sure he's got style he's so heavy
He's a trip can do anything
Anything anything
He's my soul brother
He's my best friend he's my champion
And he will rock you rock you rock you
Because he's the saviour of the universe
He can make you keep yourself alive
Make yourself alive
Oooh brother because he's somebody somebody
He can love
He's my soul brother
When you're under pressure feeling under pressure
Yeah pressure yeah pressure
He won't let you down
When you're under pressure
Oh feeling under pressure yeah pressure
So he won't let you down
My brother won't let you down
He won't he won't he won't let you down
He can do anything anything anything
He's my soul brother
Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
Oooh soul brother anything (soul brother)
Anything (soul brother) anything (soul brother)
He's my soul brother brother brother brother brother
Anything (soul brother) anything (soul brother) anything (soul brother)
He's my soul brother
Soul brother he can do anything
He can do anything
Because he's my soul brother
How many Queen songs (and references to songs) can you find? The more you find, the more likely it seems that the phrase "under pressure" IS a direct reference to THEIR "Under Pressure".
God bless my soul = God Save The Queen/Jesus?
The man with the most = Man From Manhattan/Leroy Brown?
Sure he's got style he's so heavy = Leroy Brown
He's my best friend he's my champion = Your My Best Friend + We Are The Champions.
And he will rock you rock you rock you = We Will Rock You.
Because he's the saviour of the universe = Flash Gordon.
He can make you keep yourself alive = Keep Yourself Alive.
Oooh brother because he's somebody somebody He can love = Somebody To Love.
So if the exercise is to fit as many Queen songs into the track as possible, "Under Pressure" HAD to be previously written!
But this is SPECULATION only - as the truth is I just DON'T KNOW!
Because it MIGHT not be a direct reference to Under Pressure. How many songs are titled "he won't let you down", "the man with the most", "how does he do it" and so on?[/QUOTE]
Seb: Remember I AGREE with you, but let's look at the lyrics.
God bless my soul here he comes now
The man with the most how does he do it?
Sure he's got style he's so heavy
He's a trip can do anything
Anything anything
He's my soul brother
He's my best friend he's my champion
And he will rock you rock you rock you
Because he's the saviour of the universe
He can make you keep yourself alive
Make yourself alive
Oooh brother because he's somebody somebody
He can love
He's my soul brother
When you're under pressure feeling under pressure
Yeah pressure yeah pressure
He won't let you down
When you're under pressure
Oh feeling under pressure yeah pressure
So he won't let you down
My brother won't let you down
He won't he won't he won't let you down
He can do anything anything anything
He's my soul brother
Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
Oooh soul brother anything (soul brother)
Anything (soul brother) anything (soul brother)
He's my soul brother brother brother brother brother
Anything (soul brother) anything (soul brother) anything (soul brother)
He's my soul brother
Soul brother he can do anything
He can do anything
Because he's my soul brother
How many Queen songs (and references to songs) can you find? The more you find, the more likely it seems that the phrase "under pressure" IS a direct reference to THEIR "Under Pressure".
God bless my soul = God Save The Queen/Jesus?
The man with the most = Man From Manhattan/Leroy Brown?
Sure he's got style he's so heavy = Leroy Brown
He's my best friend he's my champion = Your My Best Friend + We Are The Champions.
And he will rock you rock you rock you = We Will Rock You.
Because he's the saviour of the universe = Flash Gordon.
He can make you keep yourself alive = Keep Yourself Alive.
Oooh brother because he's somebody somebody He can love = Somebody To Love.
So if the exercise is to fit as many Queen songs into the track as possible, "Under Pressure" HAD to be previously written!
But this is SPECULATION only - as the truth is I just DON'T KNOW!
Yes of course, very probably you're right, all I meant is that it wasn't an absolute "truth" whatsoever. But, for what it's worth, I too think it's an '81 track instead of '80, which would indeed prove that Dr Wig's not always right.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sebastian wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Yes of course, very probably you're right, all I meant is that it wasn't an absolute "truth" whatsoever. But, for what it's worth, I too think it's an '81 track instead of '80, which would indeed prove that Dr Wig's not always right.[/QUOTE]
Something else I have just read Seb:
Because he's the saviour of the universe = Flash Gordon.
So this song "Soul Brother" references BOTH "Flash Gordon" and "Under Pressure", (both released AFTER "The Game"), surely this is too much of a coincidence?
However, this is still SPECULATION as I am not sure when it was recorded to be honest, and you are as correct in your assumptions, as I am in mine.
Something else I have just read Seb:
Because he's the saviour of the universe = Flash Gordon.
So this song "Soul Brother" references BOTH "Flash Gordon" and "Under Pressure", (both released AFTER "The Game"), surely this is too much of a coincidence?
However, this is still SPECULATION as I am not sure when it was recorded to be honest, and you are as correct in your assumptions, as I am in mine.
re: The 'Sandbox' and 'Coming Soon' tie ins.
I erroneously made reference to some of it possibly appearing in 'No Violins'. I should have stated 'Good Times Are Now'. My mistake.
I erroneously made reference to some of it possibly appearing in 'No Violins'. I should have stated 'Good Times Are Now'. My mistake.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]goodco wrote: [/QUOTENAME]re: The 'Sandbox' and 'Coming Soon' tie ins.
I erroneously made reference to some of it possibly appearing in 'No Violins'. I should have stated 'Good Times Are Now'. My mistake.[/QUOTE]
I must make a confession, when I wrote:
"Never thought about the "No Violin" snippet before, I guess I need to go back and listen!",
I haven't actually done that yet! I will now listen to "Goodtimes Are Now" instead, so thanks for that.
This is what I think Queenzone does well. Fans coming together and sharing ideas. It doesn't really matter if these ideas are absolute "truths", but the fact that we are happy to sit down and "barter", is to me, what it is all about really. So thanks to you for bringing this up.
I only wish this was a virtual pub, and that way, we could have a more social atmosphere, but hey, we can't have it all!
I erroneously made reference to some of it possibly appearing in 'No Violins'. I should have stated 'Good Times Are Now'. My mistake.[/QUOTE]
I must make a confession, when I wrote:
"Never thought about the "No Violin" snippet before, I guess I need to go back and listen!",
I haven't actually done that yet! I will now listen to "Goodtimes Are Now" instead, so thanks for that.
This is what I think Queenzone does well. Fans coming together and sharing ideas. It doesn't really matter if these ideas are absolute "truths", but the fact that we are happy to sit down and "barter", is to me, what it is all about really. So thanks to you for bringing this up.
I only wish this was a virtual pub, and that way, we could have a more social atmosphere, but hey, we can't have it all!
If we were discussing this in a bar, John, I would probably be passed out in the hallway leading to the men's room with a bottle of wine in my hand. I'd prefer to do this sober! :-P
I've never heard of any of these titles being talked about. How come No Violins, Good Times Are Now, Sandbox (crap song title, by the way!) have never been mentioned in the various 'demos and unreleased stuff' threads that so often appear on these forums? Or have I just missed them?
'No Violins' and 'Good Times Are Now' are just speculation - we're not 100% sure that these songs were recorded. And, whoever heard 'Sandbox' (which was at one of the conventions last year) closely related the sound of the track to 'Good Times Are Now'.
So, is there any evidence that they actually existed in any form at all? Or are they just titles that someone bandied about, and the rumours snowballed?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Lord Fickle wrote: [/QUOTENAME]So, is there any evidence that they actually existed in any form at all? Or are they just titles that someone bandied about, and the rumours snowballed?[/QUOTE]
Good question, and that's why I have always given the evidence. Therefore, we can take "Sandbox" as an absolute:
Sandbox (Coming Soon – early version)
GB IQFC convention Nov 2004: Unreleased Sandbox (Instrumental Jam)
Sandbox - Unreleased
In otherwords, it was Greg Brooks who played the disc at the International Queen Fan Club Convention, Nov 2004.
If you re-read the original posting, I always give clear evidence when available.
Although we know for definite that the remainder of Roger's unused "The Game" tracks went on to appear on his solo album "Fun In Space", we are not too sure if "Good Times Are Now" is one of those tracks for sure. Other rumours include "Magic Is Lose".
But whatever re-jected "Game" tracks are on "Fun In Space", it would seem logical that there are Queen demo versions. This does not automatically mean that Freddie, sang these, but it has been rumoured for years - that he did.
My own criteria for this thread has been "if in doubt, throw it out". So although it is fun to conjecture, you will notice that none of this appears on my original posting.
Good question, and that's why I have always given the evidence. Therefore, we can take "Sandbox" as an absolute:
Sandbox (Coming Soon – early version)
GB IQFC convention Nov 2004: Unreleased Sandbox (Instrumental Jam)
Sandbox - Unreleased
In otherwords, it was Greg Brooks who played the disc at the International Queen Fan Club Convention, Nov 2004.
If you re-read the original posting, I always give clear evidence when available.
Although we know for definite that the remainder of Roger's unused "The Game" tracks went on to appear on his solo album "Fun In Space", we are not too sure if "Good Times Are Now" is one of those tracks for sure. Other rumours include "Magic Is Lose".
But whatever re-jected "Game" tracks are on "Fun In Space", it would seem logical that there are Queen demo versions. This does not automatically mean that Freddie, sang these, but it has been rumoured for years - that he did.
My own criteria for this thread has been "if in doubt, throw it out". So although it is fun to conjecture, you will notice that none of this appears on my original posting.
Fair enough, John. Thanks for the clarification, as far as can be certain. I'm sure we would all love to discover some of these 'speculative' demos, but the probably truth is, sadly, that even if they ever did exist, the chances of them now being found in a dusty suitcase, in someone's attic, are pretty remote. Hell, they've even managed to lose some of the original tapes of the material which was released!
I think, if I was in a band as great as Queen, I would want to leave some hidden treasure behind, for when I'm dead and gone. I wonder if that ever crossed their minds?
I think, if I was in a band as great as Queen, I would want to leave some hidden treasure behind, for when I'm dead and gone. I wonder if that ever crossed their minds?
From the rumours I've heard:
Crazy Little Thing Called Love, rumored piano version, 1979
Victory, Queen version from The Game sessions, 1980
Magic Is Loose, Queen version from The Game sessions, 1980
Just need to await and see.
I was actually waiting for someone else to come in and help me out, but it seems no help is "out-there!"
Crazy Little Thing Called Love, rumored piano version, 1979
Victory, Queen version from The Game sessions, 1980
Magic Is Loose, Queen version from The Game sessions, 1980
Just need to await and see.
I was actually waiting for someone else to come in and help me out, but it seems no help is "out-there!"
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]John S Stuart wrote: [/QUOTENAME]From the rumours I've heard:
Crazy Little Thing Called Love, rumored piano version, 1979
Victory, Queen version from The Game sessions, 1980
Magic Is Loose, Queen version from The Game sessions, 1980
[/QUOTE]
well since that seems to be cut-and-pasted from my "unreleased songs" post, I feel obligated to stick my head in here and say no, I do not have any evidence that any of these tracks actually exist, that list was simply a compilation of speculation from this board and other corners of the Queen internet community that I'd noted and kept track of. I do hope I hadn't misled anyone into thinking that I had or had heard these pieces but I thought I was clear that that portion of the list was made up of "rumored" bits and not "confirmed" ones.
Crazy Little Thing Called Love, rumored piano version, 1979
Victory, Queen version from The Game sessions, 1980
Magic Is Loose, Queen version from The Game sessions, 1980
[/QUOTE]
well since that seems to be cut-and-pasted from my "unreleased songs" post, I feel obligated to stick my head in here and say no, I do not have any evidence that any of these tracks actually exist, that list was simply a compilation of speculation from this board and other corners of the Queen internet community that I'd noted and kept track of. I do hope I hadn't misled anyone into thinking that I had or had heard these pieces but I thought I was clear that that portion of the list was made up of "rumored" bits and not "confirmed" ones.
Furthering the Soul Brother / Under Pressure speculation, I suppose it could be possible that Soul Brother was written first, and that it inspired the song Under Pressure to then be written...? Unlikely, but not impossible.