re: Soul Brother
here's an idea I've had, no "evidence" as it were, just a rather plausible (imo) scenario as to the origins of the track:
Wasn't the B-Side for Under Pressure scheduled to be the David Bowie version of Cool Cat, which was withdrawn on Bowie's insistance? If this was the case, and it left Queen without a b-side, why wouldn't they revisit a song that had been partially recorded (say, the first verse was demoed and then didn't make the album cut so never completed). As they were short for time, they resurrected the song but in place of writing "proper" further verses, simply tacked on a joke-type lyrical list of previous Queen songs, now having completed & released the Flash album and preparing to release UP, thus accounting for both the references to those songs and the multiple resources claiming Soul Brother had its origins in the Game sessions.
Just my own personal theory, but I think it's a good one.
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We need to know one little fact - where it was recorded. If it was Mountain studios then there are no any questions - it's from Hot Space days (The Game was recorded in Germany only). If it was Townhouse then it's from FG sessions. And if Musicland then yes, it can be from HS or TG...
But to me it's more than obvious that this track is based on studio improvisation (and it's Queen credited as well as other improvisations, except One Vision) with Freddie's improvised meaningless lyrics including quotes from other Queen songs.
Wouldn't it be great to take a look at master tape box with label on it where you can read the dates...?
But to me it's more than obvious that this track is based on studio improvisation (and it's Queen credited as well as other improvisations, except One Vision) with Freddie's improvised meaningless lyrics including quotes from other Queen songs.
Wouldn't it be great to take a look at master tape box with label on it where you can read the dates...?
This might be a question for Greg Brooks - but wait, this might compromise the surprises of the eventual mythical box sets!
But that's a very good suggestion, Chaka, and one which I think I suggested earlier, just not quite as detailed ;-) But that's what I believe, unless proven otherwise from some sort of official, as that's what I've come to read over the years, that 'Soul Brother' was a cast-off from The Game sessions. Of course, it's always possible that the "when you're under pressure" line is a complete coincidence; but I doubt that.
But that's a very good suggestion, Chaka, and one which I think I suggested earlier, just not quite as detailed ;-) But that's what I believe, unless proven otherwise from some sort of official, as that's what I've come to read over the years, that 'Soul Brother' was a cast-off from The Game sessions. Of course, it's always possible that the "when you're under pressure" line is a complete coincidence; but I doubt that.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]John S Stuart wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Lord Fickle wrote: [/QUOTENAME]So, is there any evidence that they actually existed in any form at all? Or are they just titles that someone bandied about, and the rumours snowballed?[/QUOTE]
Good question, and that's why I have always given the evidence. Therefore, we can take "Sandbox" as an absolute:
Sandbox (Coming Soon – early version)
GB IQFC convention Nov 2004: Unreleased Sandbox (Instrumental Jam)
Sandbox - Unreleased
In otherwords, it was Greg Brooks who played the disc at the International Queen Fan Club Convention, Nov 2004.
If you re-read the original posting, I always give clear evidence when available.
Although we know for definite that the remainder of Roger's unused "The Game" tracks went on to appear on his solo album "Fun In Space", we are not too sure if "Good Times Are Now" is one of those tracks for sure. Other rumours include "Magic Is Lose".
But whatever re-jected "Game" tracks are on "Fun In Space", it would seem logical that there are Queen demo versions. This does not automatically mean that Freddie, sang these, but it has been rumoured for years - that he did.
My own criteria for this thread has been "if in doubt, throw it out". So although it is fun to conjecture, you will notice that none of this appears on my original posting.
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I`ve found this interview on a site:
www.brianmay.com/queen/convention2001/rogersq&a.html
According to Roger one of the songs he would have liked to hear Freddie sing was "MAgic is Loose". So, maybe Queen never recorded this song, after all!
Take care
Good question, and that's why I have always given the evidence. Therefore, we can take "Sandbox" as an absolute:
Sandbox (Coming Soon – early version)
GB IQFC convention Nov 2004: Unreleased Sandbox (Instrumental Jam)
Sandbox - Unreleased
In otherwords, it was Greg Brooks who played the disc at the International Queen Fan Club Convention, Nov 2004.
If you re-read the original posting, I always give clear evidence when available.
Although we know for definite that the remainder of Roger's unused "The Game" tracks went on to appear on his solo album "Fun In Space", we are not too sure if "Good Times Are Now" is one of those tracks for sure. Other rumours include "Magic Is Lose".
But whatever re-jected "Game" tracks are on "Fun In Space", it would seem logical that there are Queen demo versions. This does not automatically mean that Freddie, sang these, but it has been rumoured for years - that he did.
My own criteria for this thread has been "if in doubt, throw it out". So although it is fun to conjecture, you will notice that none of this appears on my original posting.
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I`ve found this interview on a site:
www.brianmay.com/queen/convention2001/rogersq&a.html
According to Roger one of the songs he would have liked to hear Freddie sing was "MAgic is Loose". So, maybe Queen never recorded this song, after all!
Take care
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Bobby_brown wrote:
According to Roger one of the songs he would have liked to hear Freddie sing was "MAgic is Loose". So, maybe Queen never recorded this song, after all!
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Based on this evidence, I would have to agree - it would be very unlikely Freddie sang (let alone recorded) 'Magic Is Loose'.
However, what about that tantalising quote in the middle?
Roger Taylor on Freddie singing Roger's solo stuff: 'I heard him sing a few of them'.
I have included the full quote below:
'Stuart Comstive: Do you ever listen to your own music - Queen or solo - and if so what's your own favourite and are there any of your own solo songs that you would've loved to hear Freddie sing?
ROGER: Hi Stuart, um - occasionally, yeah, occasionally listen. I don't actually sit down and think "Now I'm gonna listen to Sheer Heart Attack or something", but I, occasionally, you know, its sort of on in the background or somebody's listening to it or... and its often interesting, you still hear things that, you know, that catches you in a new way sometimes. Um, and my solo songs I'd love to hear Freddie sing - er yeah. I mean I heard him sing a few of them. I think I'd have liked to have heard him sing "Magic Is Loose", which is on my first solo album in 19-hundred-and-frozen-to-death.'
So apart from 'Heaven For Everyone', what else do we know about Freddie 'sing(ing) a few of them'?
According to Roger one of the songs he would have liked to hear Freddie sing was "MAgic is Loose". So, maybe Queen never recorded this song, after all!
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Based on this evidence, I would have to agree - it would be very unlikely Freddie sang (let alone recorded) 'Magic Is Loose'.
However, what about that tantalising quote in the middle?
Roger Taylor on Freddie singing Roger's solo stuff: 'I heard him sing a few of them'.
I have included the full quote below:
'Stuart Comstive: Do you ever listen to your own music - Queen or solo - and if so what's your own favourite and are there any of your own solo songs that you would've loved to hear Freddie sing?
ROGER: Hi Stuart, um - occasionally, yeah, occasionally listen. I don't actually sit down and think "Now I'm gonna listen to Sheer Heart Attack or something", but I, occasionally, you know, its sort of on in the background or somebody's listening to it or... and its often interesting, you still hear things that, you know, that catches you in a new way sometimes. Um, and my solo songs I'd love to hear Freddie sing - er yeah. I mean I heard him sing a few of them. I think I'd have liked to have heard him sing "Magic Is Loose", which is on my first solo album in 19-hundred-and-frozen-to-death.'
So apart from 'Heaven For Everyone', what else do we know about Freddie 'sing(ing) a few of them'?
Possibly 'Freedom Train' and 'New Dark Ages', eh?
Killing Time etc. He could sing anything during recording sessions. As well as he did with HFE - he just wanted to show Roger how it could be sing...