[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr.Jingles wrote: [/QUOTENAME]When you make up wrong facts and start saying all sorts of lies to support your arguments that makes you an extremist.[/QUOTE]
No, that makes you uninformed, or ignorant. Extremism is completely different.
Judging from the conditions you have stated, I could confidently say you are an extremist.
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Where I work, I pay for 25 % of my employers costs for medical insurance, which I believe is fairly typical for private industry. However, cushy government workers do not want to pay their fair share of medical insurance. The cushy government workers would rather blackmail the taxpayers in order to squeeze for a panic deal to pay virtually nothing on medical insurance, a deal that they are not reasonably entitled to.
Amazing how all right wingers are extremist, but all left wingers are rational and moderate.
Amazing how all right wingers are extremist, but all left wingers are rational and moderate.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Rip Van Winkle wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Amazing how all right wingers are extremist, but all left wingers are rational and moderate.[/QUOTE]
*sigh* The sinister will always view the dexter as extreme, and vice versa. It's just how bias works. The difference is just that the sinister is much more vocal in its views. I mean, how often is a protest instigated to keep things as they stand?
Amazing how all right wingers are extremist, but all left wingers are rational and moderate.[/QUOTE]
*sigh* The sinister will always view the dexter as extreme, and vice versa. It's just how bias works. The difference is just that the sinister is much more vocal in its views. I mean, how often is a protest instigated to keep things as they stand?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
A perfect example of this is the profession of teaching, by which going on strike is illegal and punishable under the law.
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Not over here it's not! Here in Britain, everyone (except the police - downer for them!) has a right to strike, which is only fair. If there is a problem, either with pay or conditions, which employers refuse to acknowledge, sometimes it's the only way to get them to sit up and pay attention. One major advantage over here is of course the fact that we have free and fair healthcare for everyone in the country, not just for those who can pay for it.
Everyone has the right to health, and sometimes I wonder if the american healthcare system can see that behind the $$$$
A perfect example of this is the profession of teaching, by which going on strike is illegal and punishable under the law.
[/QUOTE]
Not over here it's not! Here in Britain, everyone (except the police - downer for them!) has a right to strike, which is only fair. If there is a problem, either with pay or conditions, which employers refuse to acknowledge, sometimes it's the only way to get them to sit up and pay attention. One major advantage over here is of course the fact that we have free and fair healthcare for everyone in the country, not just for those who can pay for it.
Everyone has the right to health, and sometimes I wonder if the american healthcare system can see that behind the $$$$
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr.Jingles wrote: [/QUOTENAME]When you make up wrong facts and start saying all sorts of lies to support your arguments that makes you an extremist. It's not the first time Sarajane has done it, and people are certainly not going to die because SEPTA goes on strike.
It's not as if all paramedics, nurses, and physicians in Philly go on strike.[/QUOTE]
Yes, people WILL die because SEPTA goes on strike. More traffic means more traffic accidents, which means more traffic fatalities, which also means ambulances get to hospitals later.
It's not as if all paramedics, nurses, and physicians in Philly go on strike.[/QUOTE]
Yes, people WILL die because SEPTA goes on strike. More traffic means more traffic accidents, which means more traffic fatalities, which also means ambulances get to hospitals later.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Lester Burnham wrote: [/QUOTENAME]People die? That's a bit melodramatic and absurd. You have to realize that it's affecting the workers as much, because they're not getting paid to go on strike. It's the unions that want the cheaper healthcare, not exactly the individuals.[/QUOTE]
Being against the SEPTA strike, FYI, should be a LIBERAL cause:
1. More traffic, more traffic accidents, more traffic fatalities.
2. You know the only people benefitting? Big oil companies, because now people are forced to use cars.
3. More pollution.
4. Less education, because people can't get to school. Especially lower-income students in bad neighborhoods. You want them to walk through a warzone to get to school? Again, more fatalities.
5. Ambulances get to hospitals later.
6. People without cars can lose their jobs if they can't get to work. Guess what? It's not the wealthy that are going to lose their jobs, it's people with no cars. Low-income people.
So, let's see, who's benefitting? SEPTA unions, throwing a tantrum, and big oil.
Hmm, fun time had by all, eh?
Being against the SEPTA strike, FYI, should be a LIBERAL cause:
1. More traffic, more traffic accidents, more traffic fatalities.
2. You know the only people benefitting? Big oil companies, because now people are forced to use cars.
3. More pollution.
4. Less education, because people can't get to school. Especially lower-income students in bad neighborhoods. You want them to walk through a warzone to get to school? Again, more fatalities.
5. Ambulances get to hospitals later.
6. People without cars can lose their jobs if they can't get to work. Guess what? It's not the wealthy that are going to lose their jobs, it's people with no cars. Low-income people.
So, let's see, who's benefitting? SEPTA unions, throwing a tantrum, and big oil.
Hmm, fun time had by all, eh?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr.Jingles wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Employees who are part of the union are claiming for their right to receive better health care benefits because they don't get enough coverage to afford expensive medicines and medical services. It doesn't surprise me because the health care system in this country is an absolute disaster compared to the health care from other developed nations. It's absurd that people who have to support families while making less than $25.000 a year can't even be given the right to receive complete medical coverage. [/QUOTE]
Everyone else has to pay for health care, why shouldn't SEPTA? It's a pain in the ass, but everyone has to do it. Every profession. SEPTA wants SEPTA workers to pay FIVE PERCENT of their healthcare. FIVE PERCENT.
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I don't know how the whole deal works, but obviously a stall on the whole transportation system of a major city affects everyone. Sadly the workers are in a position where a whole city moves day by day depending on them, but then should we just tell the SEPTA workers to stop fuckin' whinning and deal with having no money to afford medicine? [/QUOTE]
FIVE PERCENT. And, yes, they should stop whining. They're throwing an entire city into disarray with their little tantrum, and it's hurting low-income, lower-middle class and some of the middle-class, mainly. Governor Rendell is not the one using SEPTA, we are. If I still had the job I had last summer, I would be screwed.
[QUOTE] These people are not asking for a promotion, or a raise so they can buy a new plasma TV screen. When they get sick or need medical assistance of any kind, they have the exact same needs than any one of us.[/QUOTE]
FIVE PERCENT!!!! And SEPTA worker make a hell of a lot more money than other entry-level jobs. They need to stop their tantrum so the rest of us can get back to our lives.
Employees who are part of the union are claiming for their right to receive better health care benefits because they don't get enough coverage to afford expensive medicines and medical services. It doesn't surprise me because the health care system in this country is an absolute disaster compared to the health care from other developed nations. It's absurd that people who have to support families while making less than $25.000 a year can't even be given the right to receive complete medical coverage. [/QUOTE]
Everyone else has to pay for health care, why shouldn't SEPTA? It's a pain in the ass, but everyone has to do it. Every profession. SEPTA wants SEPTA workers to pay FIVE PERCENT of their healthcare. FIVE PERCENT.
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I don't know how the whole deal works, but obviously a stall on the whole transportation system of a major city affects everyone. Sadly the workers are in a position where a whole city moves day by day depending on them, but then should we just tell the SEPTA workers to stop fuckin' whinning and deal with having no money to afford medicine? [/QUOTE]
FIVE PERCENT. And, yes, they should stop whining. They're throwing an entire city into disarray with their little tantrum, and it's hurting low-income, lower-middle class and some of the middle-class, mainly. Governor Rendell is not the one using SEPTA, we are. If I still had the job I had last summer, I would be screwed.
[QUOTE] These people are not asking for a promotion, or a raise so they can buy a new plasma TV screen. When they get sick or need medical assistance of any kind, they have the exact same needs than any one of us.[/QUOTE]
FIVE PERCENT!!!! And SEPTA worker make a hell of a lot more money than other entry-level jobs. They need to stop their tantrum so the rest of us can get back to our lives.
The guy up the street from me works for SEPTA. His job...well...it's a kinda stupid one if you ask me - he works WITH the mechanics - he isn't a mechanic. The mechanic says, "gimme a wrench" and my neighbor is the guy who hands the mechanic the wrench!! Let the mechanic get his own fucking wrench!!! If they'd cut out all the worthless jobs within the SEPTA organization, they'd have plenty of money to run their operation, and plenty of money to pacify the workers and pay the medical costs. I don't believe that SEPTA employees should be exempt from contributing to the cost for their healthcare - everybody else does that.
I also think that Rendell (I love fast Eddie - don't get me wrong) should stop allowing so much money from the PA budget to subsidize (sp?) SEPTA. The service is poor, it keeps getting worse, and Philadelphian's (and others locally) pay the highest fares for public transportation in the country.
I personally think that someone (Greyhound/Peter Pan, or some other big bus/transit company) should step in and create another bus company in southeastern PA - give SEPTA some competition, provide better service at a lower cost (it CAN be done), and bust up that monopoly once and for all.
(I din't know there were that many Philly/suburbs people here. Cool!)
I also think that Rendell (I love fast Eddie - don't get me wrong) should stop allowing so much money from the PA budget to subsidize (sp?) SEPTA. The service is poor, it keeps getting worse, and Philadelphian's (and others locally) pay the highest fares for public transportation in the country.
I personally think that someone (Greyhound/Peter Pan, or some other big bus/transit company) should step in and create another bus company in southeastern PA - give SEPTA some competition, provide better service at a lower cost (it CAN be done), and bust up that monopoly once and for all.
(I din't know there were that many Philly/suburbs people here. Cool!)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]great king rat 1138 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
A perfect example of this is the profession of teaching, by which going on strike is illegal and punishable under the law.
[/QUOTE]
Not over here it's not! Here in Britain, everyone (except the police - downer for them!) has a right to strike, which is only fair. If there is a problem, either with pay or conditions, which employers refuse to acknowledge, sometimes it's the only way to get them to sit up and pay attention. One major advantage over here is of course the fact that we have free and fair healthcare for everyone in the country, not just for those who can pay for it.
Everyone has the right to health, and sometimes I wonder if the american healthcare system can see that behind the $$$$[/QUOTE]
Then take your police, for instance. Same situation as I was explaining. However, I must say that the best way to resolve an issue is third party mediation, which is often stipulated in union-employer contracts. This is particularly important for jobs that can disrupt and inconvenience the community.
A perfect example of this is the profession of teaching, by which going on strike is illegal and punishable under the law.
[/QUOTE]
Not over here it's not! Here in Britain, everyone (except the police - downer for them!) has a right to strike, which is only fair. If there is a problem, either with pay or conditions, which employers refuse to acknowledge, sometimes it's the only way to get them to sit up and pay attention. One major advantage over here is of course the fact that we have free and fair healthcare for everyone in the country, not just for those who can pay for it.
Everyone has the right to health, and sometimes I wonder if the american healthcare system can see that behind the $$$$[/QUOTE]
Then take your police, for instance. Same situation as I was explaining. However, I must say that the best way to resolve an issue is third party mediation, which is often stipulated in union-employer contracts. This is particularly important for jobs that can disrupt and inconvenience the community.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Okay, what is this? Here in Philly, SEPTA (public transport) has gone on strike because they want to pay less for their healthcare. Where do these people get the right to disturb an entire city just to throw a tantrum? Can't the governor just step in and say, "You're all fired"?[/QUOTE]
It's clear that democracy and rights mean nothing to you.
Of course, we all knew THAT.
If there is no option of going on strike, employers can do whatever they please, and we would get an early Industrial Revolution-scenario.
Of course, YOU wouldn't mind. Why? Because you are a far-right, ignorant, neo-fascist swine.[/QUOTE]
Do you know what your problem is? You don't debate. I'm not even sure if you know how. Your ad hominem cynicism and bias is ridiculously ineffective. When other people, or even FGT, make a series of effective points, you find the weakest point in the argument and exploit it, rather than confronting the more rational points that will ultimately win the argument.
Both rational and irrational points are best abated by intelligent rebuttals, not sarcastic attacks.
Your strategy: ignore the rational points and make sarcastic attacks on the irrational points.
Come on, man.
It's clear that democracy and rights mean nothing to you.
Of course, we all knew THAT.
If there is no option of going on strike, employers can do whatever they please, and we would get an early Industrial Revolution-scenario.
Of course, YOU wouldn't mind. Why? Because you are a far-right, ignorant, neo-fascist swine.[/QUOTE]
Do you know what your problem is? You don't debate. I'm not even sure if you know how. Your ad hominem cynicism and bias is ridiculously ineffective. When other people, or even FGT, make a series of effective points, you find the weakest point in the argument and exploit it, rather than confronting the more rational points that will ultimately win the argument.
Both rational and irrational points are best abated by intelligent rebuttals, not sarcastic attacks.
Your strategy: ignore the rational points and make sarcastic attacks on the irrational points.
Come on, man.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Okay, what is this? Here in Philly, SEPTA (public transport) has gone on strike because they want to pay less for their healthcare. Where do these people get the right to disturb an entire city just to throw a tantrum? Can't the governor just step in and say, "You're all fired"?[/QUOTE]
It's clear that democracy and rights mean nothing to you.
Of course, we all knew THAT.
If there is no option of going on strike, employers can do whatever they please, and we would get an early Industrial Revolution-scenario.
Of course, YOU wouldn't mind. Why? Because you are a far-right, ignorant, neo-fascist swine.[/QUOTE]
Do you know what your problem is? You don't debate. I'm not even sure if you know how. Your ad hominem cynicism and bias is ridiculously ineffective. When other people, or even FGT, make a series of effective points, you find the weakest point in the argument and exploit it, rather than confronting the more rational points that will ultimately win the argument.
Both rational and irrational points are best abated by intelligent rebuttals, not sarcastic attacks.
Your strategy: ignore the rational points and make sarcastic attacks on the irrational points.
Come on, man.[/QUOTE]
I agree with most of your post except with the fact that Sarajane makes effective posts. She defends her arguments with things that are not even true, or just simply appears to be in denial of. Just to point this out, she believes that Mark Fuhrman is not racist even though he's used the word "nigger" many times to express personal opinions, and commited perjury motivated by his racist views. She believes Michael Schiavo is a murderer, and when she couldn't convince anyone that the man was evil, she came up with the story that he was racist and he wouldn't allow anyone but white nurses to take care of his wife. If that was true, the right wing media would have used it to bring Michael Schiavo down. That, just to mention a few.
Now back to the original subject. I'm not taking SEPTA's side, nor the side of the unions, of radical liberals for that matter. I think there might be a good reason for them to go to strike. Claiming for medical benefits is not whinning, it's just claiming for a right everyone should have. I'd only blame SEPTA if they went on strike without pushing as much as they could for negotiations, or calling for a third party that stands completely neutral to resolve the matter.
I notice a lot of times that both Caspar and Sarajane are blinded by their own political sides because they go too far to the point that they end up becoming victims of their own spin. Personally (although all of you might now this alread) I tend to lean more towards the liberal side although I try to remain moderate in every possible way. There are many moderate conservatives that bring excellent arguments, some of them with which I slightly agree or disagree. I have to tell you that it's a pleasure to discuss matters with a moderate of either side becuase you know that politcally incorrect conversation won't be turning into a soap opera catfight.
It's clear that democracy and rights mean nothing to you.
Of course, we all knew THAT.
If there is no option of going on strike, employers can do whatever they please, and we would get an early Industrial Revolution-scenario.
Of course, YOU wouldn't mind. Why? Because you are a far-right, ignorant, neo-fascist swine.[/QUOTE]
Do you know what your problem is? You don't debate. I'm not even sure if you know how. Your ad hominem cynicism and bias is ridiculously ineffective. When other people, or even FGT, make a series of effective points, you find the weakest point in the argument and exploit it, rather than confronting the more rational points that will ultimately win the argument.
Both rational and irrational points are best abated by intelligent rebuttals, not sarcastic attacks.
Your strategy: ignore the rational points and make sarcastic attacks on the irrational points.
Come on, man.[/QUOTE]
I agree with most of your post except with the fact that Sarajane makes effective posts. She defends her arguments with things that are not even true, or just simply appears to be in denial of. Just to point this out, she believes that Mark Fuhrman is not racist even though he's used the word "nigger" many times to express personal opinions, and commited perjury motivated by his racist views. She believes Michael Schiavo is a murderer, and when she couldn't convince anyone that the man was evil, she came up with the story that he was racist and he wouldn't allow anyone but white nurses to take care of his wife. If that was true, the right wing media would have used it to bring Michael Schiavo down. That, just to mention a few.
Now back to the original subject. I'm not taking SEPTA's side, nor the side of the unions, of radical liberals for that matter. I think there might be a good reason for them to go to strike. Claiming for medical benefits is not whinning, it's just claiming for a right everyone should have. I'd only blame SEPTA if they went on strike without pushing as much as they could for negotiations, or calling for a third party that stands completely neutral to resolve the matter.
I notice a lot of times that both Caspar and Sarajane are blinded by their own political sides because they go too far to the point that they end up becoming victims of their own spin. Personally (although all of you might now this alread) I tend to lean more towards the liberal side although I try to remain moderate in every possible way. There are many moderate conservatives that bring excellent arguments, some of them with which I slightly agree or disagree. I have to tell you that it's a pleasure to discuss matters with a moderate of either side becuase you know that politcally incorrect conversation won't be turning into a soap opera catfight.
Okay...I admit...maybe I should have stressed the "other people" part of my point. But I'm sure you know that you could easily look like the better person in the argument by not resorting to such attacks. Your opponents will still look as stupid when they cannot refute anything you say, if you are indeed correct on the matter.
But she did, although in a quite ridiculous and ineffective manner, present an appealing argument concerning the vast negative consequences of such a strike.
But she did, although in a quite ridiculous and ineffective manner, present an appealing argument concerning the vast negative consequences of such a strike.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Okay, what is this? Here in Philly, SEPTA (public transport) has gone on strike because they want to pay less for their healthcare. Where do these people get the right to disturb an entire city just to throw a tantrum? Can't the governor just step in and say, "You're all fired"?[/QUOTE]
It's clear that democracy and rights mean nothing to you.
Of course, we all knew THAT.
If there is no option of going on strike, employers can do whatever they please, and we would get an early Industrial Revolution-scenario.
Of course, YOU wouldn't mind. Why? Because you are a far-right, ignorant, neo-fascist swine.[/QUOTE]
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of a few. Children should not have to be deprived of schooling, people should not be seperated from their jobs simply because SEPTA doesn't feel like paying five percent for health care. You know who's affected by this the most? Low-income minorities. I suppose in this case you'd rather side against the innocent low-income minorities? Where's your righteous outrage for them?
It's clear that democracy and rights mean nothing to you.
Of course, we all knew THAT.
If there is no option of going on strike, employers can do whatever they please, and we would get an early Industrial Revolution-scenario.
Of course, YOU wouldn't mind. Why? Because you are a far-right, ignorant, neo-fascist swine.[/QUOTE]
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of a few. Children should not have to be deprived of schooling, people should not be seperated from their jobs simply because SEPTA doesn't feel like paying five percent for health care. You know who's affected by this the most? Low-income minorities. I suppose in this case you'd rather side against the innocent low-income minorities? Where's your righteous outrage for them?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Okay, what is this? Here in Philly, SEPTA (public transport) has gone on strike because they want to pay less for their healthcare. Where do these people get the right to disturb an entire city just to throw a tantrum? Can't the governor just step in and say, "You're all fired"?[/QUOTE]
It's clear that democracy and rights mean nothing to you.
Of course, we all knew THAT.
If there is no option of going on strike, employers can do whatever they please, and we would get an early Industrial Revolution-scenario.
Of course, YOU wouldn't mind. Why? Because you are a far-right, ignorant, neo-fascist swine.[/QUOTE]
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of a few. Children should not have to be deprived of schooling, people should not be seperated from their jobs simply because SEPTA doesn't feel like paying five percent for health care. You know who's affected by this the most? Low-income minorities. I suppose in this case you'd rather side against the innocent low-income minorities? Where's your righteous outrage for them?[/QUOTE]
You know...your arguments begin so well...and then you introduce something like "low-income minorities" and formulate your argument around that...
The best argument lies here: is this strike worth the unbelievable inconvenience to society caused by it? 500,000 SEPTA riders say no, and they are backed by thousands more in Philadelphia businesses.
It's clear that democracy and rights mean nothing to you.
Of course, we all knew THAT.
If there is no option of going on strike, employers can do whatever they please, and we would get an early Industrial Revolution-scenario.
Of course, YOU wouldn't mind. Why? Because you are a far-right, ignorant, neo-fascist swine.[/QUOTE]
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of a few. Children should not have to be deprived of schooling, people should not be seperated from their jobs simply because SEPTA doesn't feel like paying five percent for health care. You know who's affected by this the most? Low-income minorities. I suppose in this case you'd rather side against the innocent low-income minorities? Where's your righteous outrage for them?[/QUOTE]
You know...your arguments begin so well...and then you introduce something like "low-income minorities" and formulate your argument around that...
The best argument lies here: is this strike worth the unbelievable inconvenience to society caused by it? 500,000 SEPTA riders say no, and they are backed by thousands more in Philadelphia businesses.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Okay, what is this? Here in Philly, SEPTA (public transport) has gone on strike because they want to pay less for their healthcare. Where do these people get the right to disturb an entire city just to throw a tantrum? Can't the governor just step in and say, "You're all fired"?[/QUOTE]
It's clear that democracy and rights mean nothing to you.
Of course, we all knew THAT.
If there is no option of going on strike, employers can do whatever they please, and we would get an early Industrial Revolution-scenario.
Of course, YOU wouldn't mind. Why? Because you are a far-right, ignorant, neo-fascist swine.[/QUOTE]
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of a few. Children should not have to be deprived of schooling, people should not be seperated from their jobs simply because SEPTA doesn't feel like paying five percent for health care. You know who's affected by this the most? Low-income minorities. I suppose in this case you'd rather side against the innocent low-income minorities? Where's your righteous outrage for them?[/QUOTE]
You know...your arguments begin so well...and then you introduce something like "low-income minorities" and formulate your argument around that...
The best argument lies here: is this strike worth the unbelievable inconvenience to society caused by it? 500,000 SEPTA riders say no, and they are backed by thousands more in Philadelphia businesses.[/QUOTE]
I mentioned people with low-income b/c I'm the one always being accused of being the "far-right-winger who only cares about the wealthy."
It's clear that democracy and rights mean nothing to you.
Of course, we all knew THAT.
If there is no option of going on strike, employers can do whatever they please, and we would get an early Industrial Revolution-scenario.
Of course, YOU wouldn't mind. Why? Because you are a far-right, ignorant, neo-fascist swine.[/QUOTE]
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of a few. Children should not have to be deprived of schooling, people should not be seperated from their jobs simply because SEPTA doesn't feel like paying five percent for health care. You know who's affected by this the most? Low-income minorities. I suppose in this case you'd rather side against the innocent low-income minorities? Where's your righteous outrage for them?[/QUOTE]
You know...your arguments begin so well...and then you introduce something like "low-income minorities" and formulate your argument around that...
The best argument lies here: is this strike worth the unbelievable inconvenience to society caused by it? 500,000 SEPTA riders say no, and they are backed by thousands more in Philadelphia businesses.[/QUOTE]
I mentioned people with low-income b/c I'm the one always being accused of being the "far-right-winger who only cares about the wealthy."