[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Okay, what is this? Here in Philly, SEPTA (public transport) has gone on strike because they want to pay less for their healthcare. Where do these people get the right to disturb an entire city just to throw a tantrum? Can't the governor just step in and say, "You're all fired"?[/QUOTE]
It's clear that democracy and rights mean nothing to you.
Of course, we all knew THAT.
If there is no option of going on strike, employers can do whatever they please, and we would get an early Industrial Revolution-scenario.
Of course, YOU wouldn't mind. Why? Because you are a far-right, ignorant, neo-fascist swine.[/QUOTE]
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of a few. Children should not have to be deprived of schooling, people should not be seperated from their jobs simply because SEPTA doesn't feel like paying five percent for health care. You know who's affected by this the most? Low-income minorities. I suppose in this case you'd rather side against the innocent low-income minorities? Where's your righteous outrage for them?[/QUOTE]
You know...your arguments begin so well...and then you introduce something like "low-income minorities" and formulate your argument around that...
The best argument lies here: is this strike worth the unbelievable inconvenience to society caused by it? 500,000 SEPTA riders say no, and they are backed by thousands more in Philadelphia businesses.[/QUOTE]
I mentioned people with low-income b/c I'm the one always being accused of being the "far-right-winger who only cares about the wealthy."[/QUOTE]
That is because you respond to the ad hominem attacks of others. Your main focus should be on the argument at hand. They are trying to distract you; it's up to you to not let them succeed.
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For Americans: What portion do you pay for your employment sponsored health insurance? Please also indicate whether you are from employed in the private or public sector.
I bet most pay at least 25% for health insurance or have no health inusurance. The Phily public transportation employees deserve to be fired. I am sure there are plenty of people who would be happy to have their jobs.
I bet most pay at least 25% for health insurance or have no health inusurance. The Phily public transportation employees deserve to be fired. I am sure there are plenty of people who would be happy to have their jobs.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]great king rat 1138 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
A perfect example of this is the profession of teaching, by which going on strike is illegal and punishable under the law.
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Not over here it's not! Here in Britain, everyone (except the police - downer for them!) has a right to strike, which is only fair. If there is a problem, either with pay or conditions, which employers refuse to acknowledge, sometimes it's the only way to get them to sit up and pay attention. One major advantage over here is of course the fact that we have free and fair healthcare for everyone in the country, not just for those who can pay for it.
Everyone has the right to health, and sometimes I wonder if the american healthcare system can see that behind the $$$$[/QUOTE]
The only way the Government could stop the police from striking would be calling in the army to arrest them (and that still wouldnt stop the strike, the police would all end up in milatry prisions, whilst the army take over policing, until the government could strike a deal with the police to return back to work), the strike would be a sucess. It really would be a bad situation if it got that far though.
The british health service may be free but it sure sucks. Better than having to take a loan out or something everytime you get injured though.
Also, if Septia agree to giving their employee's fair rights, everything will go back to normal. If septia gave their employee's fair rights and all that in the first place, no one would have been inconvieiced, if anyone is too blame its septia. The septia employee's are doing whats right.
A perfect example of this is the profession of teaching, by which going on strike is illegal and punishable under the law.
[/QUOTE]
Not over here it's not! Here in Britain, everyone (except the police - downer for them!) has a right to strike, which is only fair. If there is a problem, either with pay or conditions, which employers refuse to acknowledge, sometimes it's the only way to get them to sit up and pay attention. One major advantage over here is of course the fact that we have free and fair healthcare for everyone in the country, not just for those who can pay for it.
Everyone has the right to health, and sometimes I wonder if the american healthcare system can see that behind the $$$$[/QUOTE]
The only way the Government could stop the police from striking would be calling in the army to arrest them (and that still wouldnt stop the strike, the police would all end up in milatry prisions, whilst the army take over policing, until the government could strike a deal with the police to return back to work), the strike would be a sucess. It really would be a bad situation if it got that far though.
The british health service may be free but it sure sucks. Better than having to take a loan out or something everytime you get injured though.
Also, if Septia agree to giving their employee's fair rights, everything will go back to normal. If septia gave their employee's fair rights and all that in the first place, no one would have been inconvieiced, if anyone is too blame its septia. The septia employee's are doing whats right.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Rockyuk wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]great king rat 1138 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
A perfect example of this is the profession of teaching, by which going on strike is illegal and punishable under the law.
[/QUOTE]
Not over here it's not! Here in Britain, everyone (except the police - downer for them!) has a right to strike, which is only fair. If there is a problem, either with pay or conditions, which employers refuse to acknowledge, sometimes it's the only way to get them to sit up and pay attention. One major advantage over here is of course the fact that we have free and fair healthcare for everyone in the country, not just for those who can pay for it.
Everyone has the right to health, and sometimes I wonder if the american healthcare system can see that behind the $$$$[/QUOTE]
The only way the Government could stop the police from striking would be calling in the army to arrest them (and that still wouldnt stop the strike, the police would all end up in milatry prisions, whilst the army take over policing, until the government could strike a deal with the police to return back to work), the strike would be a sucess. It really would be a bad situation if it got that far though.
The british health service may be free but it sure sucks. Better than having to take a loan out or something everytime you get injured though.
Also, if Septia agree to giving their employee's fair rights, everything will go back to normal. If septia gave their employee's fair rights and all that in the first place, no one would have been inconvieiced, if anyone is too blame its septia. The septia employee's are doing whats right.[/QUOTE]
First of all, it's SEPTA = Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority. They HAVE fair rights. They just don't want to have to pay ANYTHING for health insurance. And, no, what they're doing is NOT right. It's NOT right that people can't get to work. It's NOT right kids can't get to school. It's also going to destroy a lot of small business that depended on SEPTA to supply transportation for their customers. Places like the ones in The Gallery, the subway mall.
A perfect example of this is the profession of teaching, by which going on strike is illegal and punishable under the law.
[/QUOTE]
Not over here it's not! Here in Britain, everyone (except the police - downer for them!) has a right to strike, which is only fair. If there is a problem, either with pay or conditions, which employers refuse to acknowledge, sometimes it's the only way to get them to sit up and pay attention. One major advantage over here is of course the fact that we have free and fair healthcare for everyone in the country, not just for those who can pay for it.
Everyone has the right to health, and sometimes I wonder if the american healthcare system can see that behind the $$$$[/QUOTE]
The only way the Government could stop the police from striking would be calling in the army to arrest them (and that still wouldnt stop the strike, the police would all end up in milatry prisions, whilst the army take over policing, until the government could strike a deal with the police to return back to work), the strike would be a sucess. It really would be a bad situation if it got that far though.
The british health service may be free but it sure sucks. Better than having to take a loan out or something everytime you get injured though.
Also, if Septia agree to giving their employee's fair rights, everything will go back to normal. If septia gave their employee's fair rights and all that in the first place, no one would have been inconvieiced, if anyone is too blame its septia. The septia employee's are doing whats right.[/QUOTE]
First of all, it's SEPTA = Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority. They HAVE fair rights. They just don't want to have to pay ANYTHING for health insurance. And, no, what they're doing is NOT right. It's NOT right that people can't get to work. It's NOT right kids can't get to school. It's also going to destroy a lot of small business that depended on SEPTA to supply transportation for their customers. Places like the ones in The Gallery, the subway mall.
I really dont give a shit what the company is called. It is right, im not going to go over why, lots of people have already proved you wrong, if your too fucking stupid not to listen to them, theres no reason you will listen to me.
Also I hope you get fired for notbeing able to get to work :D
Also I hope you get fired for notbeing able to get to work :D
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Rockyuk wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I really dont give a shit what the company is called. It is right, im not going to go over why, lots of people have already proved you wrong, if your too fucking stupid not to listen to them, theres no reason you will listen to me.
Also I hope you get fired for notbeing able to get to work :D[/QUOTE]
FYI, no one in my family has been severely inconvienced by the strike, it's just a minor annoyance. However, going "I hope you get fired" shows how little you care about the common man. Why don't you tell that to the single mother in North Philadelphia who now has now money for their child's education because SEPTA threw a hissy fit?
Also I hope you get fired for notbeing able to get to work :D[/QUOTE]
FYI, no one in my family has been severely inconvienced by the strike, it's just a minor annoyance. However, going "I hope you get fired" shows how little you care about the common man. Why don't you tell that to the single mother in North Philadelphia who now has now money for their child's education because SEPTA threw a hissy fit?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Rockyuk wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I really dont give a shit what the company is called. It is right, im not going to go over why, lots of people have already proved you wrong, if your too fucking stupid not to listen to them, theres no reason you will listen to me.
Also I hope you get fired for notbeing able to get to work :D[/QUOTE]
Hmmm...no one has proved anything wrong. And no, it's not necessarily right. You are simply proving your ignorance of the situation.
Would it be right for me to take away your car because I want more allowance from my mother?
Also I hope you get fired for notbeing able to get to work :D[/QUOTE]
Hmmm...no one has proved anything wrong. And no, it's not necessarily right. You are simply proving your ignorance of the situation.
Would it be right for me to take away your car because I want more allowance from my mother?