[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Alex Solan wrote: [/QUOTENAME]It's a fake. I've downloaded this flac and compared with my WAV copy and I must say this file shared here it's a lowered-pitch Golders Green version. I have the real Ewell '71 medley.[/QUOTE]
Alex, can you please share your copy so we can hear if it is the genuine article?
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Khizzy wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Alex Solan wrote: [/QUOTENAME]It's a fake. I've downloaded this flac and compared with my WAV copy and I must say this file shared here it's a lowered-pitch Golders Green version. I have the real Ewell '71 medley.[/QUOTE]
Alex, can you please share your copy so we can hear if it is the genuine article?[/QUOTE]
Yes, please, share your copy! I want to know if my copy is fake or not! :(
Alex, can you please share your copy so we can hear if it is the genuine article?[/QUOTE]
Yes, please, share your copy! I want to know if my copy is fake or not! :(
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Roy ® wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]kyassor wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Roy ® wrote: [/QUOTENAME]There's just one conclusion: Fake !
People who bougth it on Ebay are ripped off.[/QUOTE]
People buying bootlegs ripped off ? Wow - never heard of that before .... much ... often ... that's is why it is better to share things between fans than buy them from people purely and simply out to make money.
Music fans share items - businessmen sell items
(except official releases - they are made by music fans who need to make a living to keepo making music so get the businessmen in to help pay for their trade)[/QUOTE]
sorry, wrong post, don't read it well[/QUOTE]
In simple terms (which I hope are simple enough for you to understand), people selling boolegs recordings are usually only interested in getting your money - it is not a surprise that they sometimes provide false/wrong recordings so buyers get ripped off as the sellers don't care about the authenticity or quality, they just want your money.
People who bougth it on Ebay are ripped off.[/QUOTE]
People buying bootlegs ripped off ? Wow - never heard of that before .... much ... often ... that's is why it is better to share things between fans than buy them from people purely and simply out to make money.
Music fans share items - businessmen sell items
(except official releases - they are made by music fans who need to make a living to keepo making music so get the businessmen in to help pay for their trade)[/QUOTE]
sorry, wrong post, don't read it well[/QUOTE]
In simple terms (which I hope are simple enough for you to understand), people selling boolegs recordings are usually only interested in getting your money - it is not a surprise that they sometimes provide false/wrong recordings so buyers get ripped off as the sellers don't care about the authenticity or quality, they just want your money.
Yes, I got a copy from "Barry?" at ebay, I'd like to think it's the real deal, but I'll check the golder's recording to make sure. One thing though, since this Announce, "Barry?" isn't selling anymore copy's on ebay. although he was according to his auction originaly selling 100 copys. why has he suddenly STOPPED??????
Yes, the Ewell 1-9-71 recording is unfortunately a fake. I had only listened to it once, and it was playing in the background while I was doing other things. Had I listened carefully, as I now have done since reading this thread, I surely would have picked out Brian talking during the Big Spender drum intro, which was clearly on the Golders Green 9-13-73 recording. Furthermore, when I listened the first time, I honestly thought it sounded no different than the 1973 recordings, but I didn't really think anything of it. I just came to the conviction that the rock and roll medley just didn't change much between 1971 and 1973. I, along with many others, didn't even suspect this could be a fake, as Mr. Mitchell seemed to be so genuinely nice, answering all of our questions, and sharing this recording which for years we have known was in his private collection. Which brings me to my next point:
Now we must wonder if this was really Barry Mitchell answering these questions, or if it's someone giving false stories...? That would be beyond upsetting if it were true, because we supposedly "learned" many things about pre-Deacon Queen. Is John S. Stuart's "Gospel of Barry Mitchell" all a lie? A horrible thought, and now a strong possibility. It can be said for sure that the person answering these questions was very knowledgeable of early Queen. It could very well have been a fellow Queenzone member having some fun.
Of course the possibility remains that it was indeed Barry answering the questions, and that he shared the wrong recording, and was under the impression that this was the Ewell recording. I doubt that highly.
Your thoughts?
Now we must wonder if this was really Barry Mitchell answering these questions, or if it's someone giving false stories...? That would be beyond upsetting if it were true, because we supposedly "learned" many things about pre-Deacon Queen. Is John S. Stuart's "Gospel of Barry Mitchell" all a lie? A horrible thought, and now a strong possibility. It can be said for sure that the person answering these questions was very knowledgeable of early Queen. It could very well have been a fellow Queenzone member having some fun.
Of course the possibility remains that it was indeed Barry answering the questions, and that he shared the wrong recording, and was under the impression that this was the Ewell recording. I doubt that highly.
Your thoughts?
John Stuart... please help us!
You know the truth!
You know the truth!
Yes, Alex (Solan), could you please upload your WAV file? If it's not too much trouble...
YES!!!!!this sounds just like a altered/slowed down version of the medley played at golders green
It's Fake I thing...
It's Fake I thing...
Yes, just had a listen to my copy, with autograph & all. "Barry? TOSSER!!!!" I've been conned, it's Golders Green alright & I left him +feedback at ebay!!! Dam!!!! no wonder it was Paypal payments only. I hope this guy who is passing himself off as Barry Mitchell, gets whats coming to him, fingers crossed!!!!!
So we all have been f*cked, yeah? I hope it wasn't GB (he knows a lot about early Queen, he knows that JSS worked with Barry, he has something against QZ...) who was hiding beyond Barry's nick ;)
"People buying bootlegs ripped off ? Wow - never heard of that before .... much ... often ... that's is why it is better to share things between fans than buy them from people purely and simply out to make money."
You are really stupid. If I had not bought the copy - how could I have shared it in the hub? The version Ale has posted here is the version I bought. Only because so many people here post stuff they downloaded themselves and show off as the big sharers, you should not believe that the material falls from the sky. Someone must provide for it. And I am not referring to Ale who is a nice guy and never showed off here.
You are really stupid. If I had not bought the copy - how could I have shared it in the hub? The version Ale has posted here is the version I bought. Only because so many people here post stuff they downloaded themselves and show off as the big sharers, you should not believe that the material falls from the sky. Someone must provide for it. And I am not referring to Ale who is a nice guy and never showed off here.
So what about Alex Solan's file?
Is that the real thing or what?
Is that the real thing or what?
I am quite shocked and disappointed by this thread.
I have personally got to know Barry Mitchell over the last few years, and he is a very nice hard-working decent type of person.
It was indeed Barry who genuinely advertised HIS tape on e-bay, and this is NOT some sort of a scam. He is not a fraud, cheat or hoaxster, and I am sure that he would feel both hurt and insulted at such accusations.
Certainly, all that has been written about him in the past is TRUE, and nothing has been made up or falsified. In reality he is quite shy, and, apart from his recent foray in Queenzone, for over quarter of a century, he has basically kept quiet about his time in the band.
The Ewell tape came to light about 10 years ago. Ken Testi recorded the entire set on a Grundig tape recorder, but only the Rock and Roll Medley remains, and this IS a copy of THAT tape.
This tape was given to Barry, and I assure you that copies sold, are from his original. There is no fraud or attempted con here.
Barry recalls playing the bass at the gig, and is able to exactly spot himself not only within the music, but recollects the event in terms of stage presence, acoustics, and audience etc.
As to similarities with Golders Green, like Sir GH, I have never 'bench-tested' one with the other. I too have always gone down the road that the early 'rock 'n roll' medleys were similar, so I have never given it a second thought (or listen).
I would still argue that the tapes are indeed different, and that this tape has been recognised, and confirmed by Barry and Ken to be from Ewell technical college, and for me that is the end of the discussion.
However, for those who have analysed both, and still claim it is Golders Green, all I can say in return, is that it may be possible that the tape IS Golder's Green, and that over the years memories have become muddled, and what Ken Testi believes to be a recording from Ewell College, was in fact taken from the Golder's Green gig.
This is not to say that one is lying or cheating, but, that over the years a genuine mistake has been made, and that in good faith, this error has been perpetuated over the years, but, that for me still does not answer two key points:
First: Barry genuinely believes he is on this. He can hear himself, and HE claims it is genuine. Of course, Brian May would be on it - as he too was part of Queen, but I think, it would be very, very difficult to pass-off Golders Green as Ewell to him, as surely, he WOULD know the difference? (It must be like looking at oneself from an old photograph).
This (to me) is pretty powerful testimony, and I would find this very, very difficult to dismiss.
Second: Why tape-record Golders Green from the audience, when it was being broadcast live anyway? I know that a member of the public could make an audience bootleg - but why would management and crew do the same?
Until I hear any different, and can have really good answers to those questions, in my mind, it still remains legitimate.
Finally, so that this reply is not lost in a quagmire of different ideas, I have also given this a new thread so it is easier to find. Therefore, would it be too much to post replies at the link below?
http://www.queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q=661767
I have personally got to know Barry Mitchell over the last few years, and he is a very nice hard-working decent type of person.
It was indeed Barry who genuinely advertised HIS tape on e-bay, and this is NOT some sort of a scam. He is not a fraud, cheat or hoaxster, and I am sure that he would feel both hurt and insulted at such accusations.
Certainly, all that has been written about him in the past is TRUE, and nothing has been made up or falsified. In reality he is quite shy, and, apart from his recent foray in Queenzone, for over quarter of a century, he has basically kept quiet about his time in the band.
The Ewell tape came to light about 10 years ago. Ken Testi recorded the entire set on a Grundig tape recorder, but only the Rock and Roll Medley remains, and this IS a copy of THAT tape.
This tape was given to Barry, and I assure you that copies sold, are from his original. There is no fraud or attempted con here.
Barry recalls playing the bass at the gig, and is able to exactly spot himself not only within the music, but recollects the event in terms of stage presence, acoustics, and audience etc.
As to similarities with Golders Green, like Sir GH, I have never 'bench-tested' one with the other. I too have always gone down the road that the early 'rock 'n roll' medleys were similar, so I have never given it a second thought (or listen).
I would still argue that the tapes are indeed different, and that this tape has been recognised, and confirmed by Barry and Ken to be from Ewell technical college, and for me that is the end of the discussion.
However, for those who have analysed both, and still claim it is Golders Green, all I can say in return, is that it may be possible that the tape IS Golder's Green, and that over the years memories have become muddled, and what Ken Testi believes to be a recording from Ewell College, was in fact taken from the Golder's Green gig.
This is not to say that one is lying or cheating, but, that over the years a genuine mistake has been made, and that in good faith, this error has been perpetuated over the years, but, that for me still does not answer two key points:
First: Barry genuinely believes he is on this. He can hear himself, and HE claims it is genuine. Of course, Brian May would be on it - as he too was part of Queen, but I think, it would be very, very difficult to pass-off Golders Green as Ewell to him, as surely, he WOULD know the difference? (It must be like looking at oneself from an old photograph).
This (to me) is pretty powerful testimony, and I would find this very, very difficult to dismiss.
Second: Why tape-record Golders Green from the audience, when it was being broadcast live anyway? I know that a member of the public could make an audience bootleg - but why would management and crew do the same?
Until I hear any different, and can have really good answers to those questions, in my mind, it still remains legitimate.
Finally, so that this reply is not lost in a quagmire of different ideas, I have also given this a new thread so it is easier to find. Therefore, would it be too much to post replies at the link below?
http://www.queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q=661767
**post in the other thread**
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]YourValentine wrote: [/QUOTENAME]You are really stupid. If I had not bought the copy - how could I have shared it in the hub?[/QUOTE]
How am I stupid ? I am just stating that generally people who want to sell bootlegs are only out to make money. Would a collector sell a rare item ? No, they'd rather trade it for something else rare. Would a fan try and sell copies of a recording ? No, because they would normally be happy to share it with others as people do on here.
With regard you buying a copy, I have not made a comment about that- it is your choice what you want to spend your money on. If there was something I wanted and the only way to get it is buying it on a bootleg then I would probably buy it - but I would know there is a risk of it not being quite as good as the person selling it makes it out to be.
Usually these items are shared before I am aware that they exist but let me know when the next Queen related 'totally unavailable elsewhere, have to buy it' recording comes up and if I can afford it I'll buy it and share it on here to save everyone else buying a copy too - we'll just get one copy between us and share it - assuming it seems to be a real recording, not a rip off.
How am I stupid ? I am just stating that generally people who want to sell bootlegs are only out to make money. Would a collector sell a rare item ? No, they'd rather trade it for something else rare. Would a fan try and sell copies of a recording ? No, because they would normally be happy to share it with others as people do on here.
With regard you buying a copy, I have not made a comment about that- it is your choice what you want to spend your money on. If there was something I wanted and the only way to get it is buying it on a bootleg then I would probably buy it - but I would know there is a risk of it not being quite as good as the person selling it makes it out to be.
Usually these items are shared before I am aware that they exist but let me know when the next Queen related 'totally unavailable elsewhere, have to buy it' recording comes up and if I can afford it I'll buy it and share it on here to save everyone else buying a copy too - we'll just get one copy between us and share it - assuming it seems to be a real recording, not a rip off.