[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Alex Solan wrote: [/QUOTENAME]It's a fake. I've downloaded this flac and compared with my WAV copy and I must say this file shared here it's a lowered-pitch Golders Green version. I have the real Ewell '71 medley.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I have the complete Marquee 1972 with The Night Comes Down, soundboard quality, EX+.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]the_hero wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][/QUOTE]
Like JSS said in the other thread, I think you are a bit too harsh now with accusing that the Barry Mitchell that posts here is a fake, just because there are doubts about an early recording.
If this IS a mistake than people CAN make mistakes, he's only human you know.
Don't judge someone on the bad things they did by clearing out the good things.[/QUOTE]
I didn't personally accuse him of anything, nor did I judge him. I only brought the possibilities to the table. Read my post again.
SmittyGecko, could you please send me an email at bobw_22@hotmail.com ?
Like JSS said in the other thread, I think you are a bit too harsh now with accusing that the Barry Mitchell that posts here is a fake, just because there are doubts about an early recording.
If this IS a mistake than people CAN make mistakes, he's only human you know.
Don't judge someone on the bad things they did by clearing out the good things.[/QUOTE]
I didn't personally accuse him of anything, nor did I judge him. I only brought the possibilities to the table. Read my post again.
SmittyGecko, could you please send me an email at bobw_22@hotmail.com ?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=green>Rick wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Alex Solan wrote: [/QUOTENAME]It's a fake. I've downloaded this flac and compared with my WAV copy and I must say this file shared here it's a lowered-pitch Golders Green version. I have the real Ewell '71 medley.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I have the complete Marquee 1972 with The Night Comes Down, soundboard quality, EX+.[/QUOTE]
I've got Syracuse '77
Yeah, I have the complete Marquee 1972 with The Night Comes Down, soundboard quality, EX+.[/QUOTE]
I've got Syracuse '77
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=gold>SMI<font color=1>TTY wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=green>Rick wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Alex Solan wrote: [/QUOTENAME]It's a fake. I've downloaded this flac and compared with my WAV copy and I must say this file shared here it's a lowered-pitch Golders Green version. I have the real Ewell '71 medley.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I have the complete Marquee 1972 with The Night Comes Down, soundboard quality, EX+.[/QUOTE]
I've got Syracuse '77[/QUOTE]
I got Breda, Netherlands '76 '78 '79(2 performances) '82(2 performances) '83 '84 '86
Stupid offtopic bullsh*t... I don't know about Ewell, I'll look in a min.
Yeah, I have the complete Marquee 1972 with The Night Comes Down, soundboard quality, EX+.[/QUOTE]
I've got Syracuse '77[/QUOTE]
I got Breda, Netherlands '76 '78 '79(2 performances) '82(2 performances) '83 '84 '86
Stupid offtopic bullsh*t... I don't know about Ewell, I'll look in a min.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]eddieshore wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
that is not barry mitchell selling on ebay, it is somebody ripping you guys off and laughing all the way to the bank.
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OK. Thanks for that Eddie, but can I assure you that it is indeed the real Barry Mitchell, of course, you don't have to believe it - if you don't want to.
that is not barry mitchell selling on ebay, it is somebody ripping you guys off and laughing all the way to the bank.
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OK. Thanks for that Eddie, but can I assure you that it is indeed the real Barry Mitchell, of course, you don't have to believe it - if you don't want to.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]A Word In Your Ear wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Yes, just had a listen to my copy, with autograph & all. "Barry? TOSSER!!!!" I've been conned, it's Golders Green alright & I left him +feedback at ebay!!! Dam!!!! no wonder it was Paypal payments only. I hope this guy who is passing himself off as Barry Mitchell, gets whats coming to him, fingers crossed!!!!![/QUOTE]
After reading John Stuarts post re:- Barry Mitchell, I do now believe that the Guy selling on ebay is the real Barry Mitchell & I am deeply sorry for my harsh comment before. But the fact still remains that CD is "Golders Green".
Now as john Stuart says, Barry only got the recording 10 years ago. 1995'ish from a recording 20 years before that. Could he really tell that it was himself playing Bass, or did he go on just what he was told, believing that it was himself. 20 years + is along time ago & strike me down for saying this, all you Bass players out there. who can really tell one Bass player from another?
So as you can see I was a little miffed in paying £50+ for a piece of history, that turned out to be false & the fact that I already had a better copy of Golders Green for free (Thankyou Queenzoners)
I'm thankfull for the Autograph, but for £50+????
What Barry could do is refund the money to all the people who bought from him, we'll see.
Barry's ebay Photo of himself now and the old photo he was also selling does look like the same guy, but I can't really tell from the side profile photo of him in the book "as it began".
I say again, Sorry Barry for my harsh words, but I didn't get what I paid for.
After reading John Stuarts post re:- Barry Mitchell, I do now believe that the Guy selling on ebay is the real Barry Mitchell & I am deeply sorry for my harsh comment before. But the fact still remains that CD is "Golders Green".
Now as john Stuart says, Barry only got the recording 10 years ago. 1995'ish from a recording 20 years before that. Could he really tell that it was himself playing Bass, or did he go on just what he was told, believing that it was himself. 20 years + is along time ago & strike me down for saying this, all you Bass players out there. who can really tell one Bass player from another?
So as you can see I was a little miffed in paying £50+ for a piece of history, that turned out to be false & the fact that I already had a better copy of Golders Green for free (Thankyou Queenzoners)
I'm thankfull for the Autograph, but for £50+????
What Barry could do is refund the money to all the people who bought from him, we'll see.
Barry's ebay Photo of himself now and the old photo he was also selling does look like the same guy, but I can't really tell from the side profile photo of him in the book "as it began".
I say again, Sorry Barry for my harsh words, but I didn't get what I paid for.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]eddieshore wrote: [/QUOTENAME]So why should we believe the "real" barry mitchell is an honest person????
we dont know him personally.[/QUOTE]
Mr Stuart does as I thought... You need to know a little about some QZers...
we dont know him personally.[/QUOTE]
Mr Stuart does as I thought... You need to know a little about some QZers...
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=gold>SMI<font color=1>TTY wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=green>Rick wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Alex Solan wrote: [/QUOTENAME]It's a fake. I've downloaded this flac and compared with my WAV copy and I must say this file shared here it's a lowered-pitch Golders Green version. I have the real Ewell '71 medley.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I have the complete Marquee 1972 with The Night Comes Down, soundboard quality, EX+.[/QUOTE]
I've got Syracuse '77[/QUOTE]
You posted a while back about this? Is this true? If so, interested in a trade?
Also: I made a joke, offcourse :-P.
Yeah, I have the complete Marquee 1972 with The Night Comes Down, soundboard quality, EX+.[/QUOTE]
I've got Syracuse '77[/QUOTE]
You posted a while back about this? Is this true? If so, interested in a trade?
Also: I made a joke, offcourse :-P.
Well, for one I don't have the recording. One of my friends (more specifically my friend's mom) has the recording and they aren't interested in selling, trading, sharing, or giving away. sorry. I've heard it and it really isn't very good quality. Tyical setlist yadda yadda yadda. So in a way, I'm joking as well.
I will not pass judgement on Barry nor on anyone else, as that is not my intention, but I have analysed the recording contained in the CD provided via eBay and I have some 'unfortunate' conclusions:
1) The track is mono, has some hiss and also heavy 'warm' saturation (generally in the bass range). This is what is expected from an open reel tape recording of the late '60s/early '70s.
2) There is no sonic indication that it comes from the audience. The audience/ambience sound is minimal with no near shouts/claps/etc. nor structural echoes. In conclusion, this is pretty much a 'dry' mix so I find it quite impossible to be recorded from the audience.
3) The sound changes equalization at 2:55 (a heavy cut in the high frequencies). It could be explained by a change on the position of the microphone but there are no associated microphone noises. In fact there are no microphone artifacts whatsoever in the whole track.
4) The recording has an exponential decay on frequencies over 16 kHz. And just before anyone asks: the tape itself will NEVER produce that spectral response - no matter how aged and/or damaged it is. I am not saying that this do not come from a tape, just that it is pretty obvious that SOMETHING happened to the sound. Anyway, the position of the decay curve is typical from a 320 kbps mp3. I might post a comparison later.
5) The track is definetely from the 1973.09.13 Golders Green Hippodrome broadcasting, just a little slower. Not only the music and comments are the very same, but also the audience response and the ambience noise are exact matches aswell. A very good example are Brian's mumble and 'accidental' chord at about 4:07.
All that is unquestionable evidence that the track on the CD has nothing to do with the 1971 recording as in the story we have heard so many times. I have no explanation for all this. I am as shocked as some of you.
1) The track is mono, has some hiss and also heavy 'warm' saturation (generally in the bass range). This is what is expected from an open reel tape recording of the late '60s/early '70s.
2) There is no sonic indication that it comes from the audience. The audience/ambience sound is minimal with no near shouts/claps/etc. nor structural echoes. In conclusion, this is pretty much a 'dry' mix so I find it quite impossible to be recorded from the audience.
3) The sound changes equalization at 2:55 (a heavy cut in the high frequencies). It could be explained by a change on the position of the microphone but there are no associated microphone noises. In fact there are no microphone artifacts whatsoever in the whole track.
4) The recording has an exponential decay on frequencies over 16 kHz. And just before anyone asks: the tape itself will NEVER produce that spectral response - no matter how aged and/or damaged it is. I am not saying that this do not come from a tape, just that it is pretty obvious that SOMETHING happened to the sound. Anyway, the position of the decay curve is typical from a 320 kbps mp3. I might post a comparison later.
5) The track is definetely from the 1973.09.13 Golders Green Hippodrome broadcasting, just a little slower. Not only the music and comments are the very same, but also the audience response and the ambience noise are exact matches aswell. A very good example are Brian's mumble and 'accidental' chord at about 4:07.
All that is unquestionable evidence that the track on the CD has nothing to do with the 1971 recording as in the story we have heard so many times. I have no explanation for all this. I am as shocked as some of you.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=gold>SMI<font color=1>TTY wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Well, for one <B>I</B> don't have the recording. One of my friends (more specifically my friend's mom) has the recording and they aren't interested in selling, trading, sharing, or giving away. sorry. I've heard it and it really isn't very good quality. Tyical setlist yadda yadda yadda. So in a way, I'm joking as well.[/QUOTE]
Okay, thanks.
Okay, thanks.