I am tired of Arlene's game, it is time for her to.....

Errrr....does all this america bashing have anything to do with arlene????

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="blue">Maruga_Mercury</font> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]jasen101 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I welcome Arlene to Canada...I just hope she can speak French....tu parles francais sweetie?

We take all the American rejects and turn them into mounties. I promise Arlene she will have a Canadian Government job in no time!

Now join me in our beautiful national anthem:

"Oh Canada
Our home and native land
True patriot love
In all our sons commands

We hate George Bush
and the right wing nuts
that rule you by your balls

In Canada
We are trully free
We like hockey and the French

God keep our land
Free for gays and arabs...
Oh Canada we stand on gaurd for thee
Oh Canada we stand on gaurd for thee!"

[/QUOTE]

Very funny your anthem.

And i know why yankees hate canadians, 'cause canadians are best people and have a best government.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]

Hey Dude,

just a little note from the down and out here, I am nearly 40, unemployed with a severe mental illness which thanks to a few of you people here badgering me to seek, I have found help and am about to join the millions of those people that are "Drains" on the system, or leeches, I cannot hold a job, I grow paranoid at each one, I suffer from a couple illnesses I wish not to discuss.. and by the way, I stopped by to see how you all were doing and I see THIS ASSHOLE bashing all America cause the other 51% voted for Bush.. as a felon I cannot vote, I bet if they allowed Felons a chance to vote they would NOT have voted Bush.. and as far as Yankees, I agree with Lisser, How would you take to me calling all Mexian-latino people SPICKS.. I know it gets a few around here REALLY pissed off.. So... go back to hiding food stamp under the work boots of your fellow people and then call it job reform and eat your Taco and SHUT THE HELL UP!


By the way, not sure how long I will be sticking around.. these meds are REALLY doing a wonderful job.. I applied for SSI last month and have a 98% chance of getting back on it. Thanks Mel..

there is no reason to even mention banning

no blame game, no bush bashing, no anti american crap either

facts are facts--they can be twisted to fit just about any argument or belief

bottom line, as always people here reached out and tried to help, tried to be supportive, and did what they could


the ball is in her court now...

i hope it works out for her

I have been homeless in California a couple times, and I must say its not fun, although I am not kidding, they eat better than I ever did.. the local missions were very kind, but I am the kind of person that hates to ask for help, which is why it took me so long to go back on SSI..
I really wish Arlene luck

NO, no, no, no, no, no, no....

This thread has turned out all wrong, and here's the reason why...

John S Stuart wrote: "My replies were NOT meant to be a choice between supporting Arlene on the one hand - at the expense of the USA on the other.
Nevertheless, having a US citizen asking for her to banned from Queenzone, artificially polarises the argument. So support for Arlene somehow becomes skewed as Anti-American."

This seems to be the trap we are all falling into, support for Arlene has turned into anti-USA sentiment and this should NOT be the case.

Why are we flinging insults at each other?

"Eat your Taco and SHUT THE HELL UP!", "Yankees", etc, etc...

Can we please agree to disagree without all the vitriol?

This is the last thing i will say here...

I only hope that Arlene can find a decent job, 'cause she and other unemployees deserve a decent job.

Mari: She wasn't looking for attention, if she was, that's mean you think the same of me?.

A message for Bush: Start to take care of the really needs of your people, and STOP WAR!!!!

Para los que hablan español:

Alguien dijo por ahí que Chávez es un idiota, pues pienso que lo es... cree que siguiendo a Fidel es lo mejor para Venezuela. Imagínense cuando ganó Lagos en mi país, todos pensaron que volveríamos a los tiempos de Allende... Y no fué así... Mi país está mejor que nunca y por eso MICHELLE BACHELET será la próxima presidenta de mi querido país.

Good-Bye all.

Uhhhh....

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Haystacks Calhoun wrote: [/QUOTENAME] I said before, you will find that in America, a lot of your "professional students", as Arlene is, tend to have the hardest time finding and keeping a decent job. Why do you think that is?
[/QUOTE]

You tell me.

By all means, define "professional student." And, unless I missed something, how is Arlene a "professional student"? She said she has two degrees, which could mean she had a double major for that matter. I suppose that under your definition I am a "professional student" which must mean I can't find and hold down a decent job.

I find your assumptions about "professional students" rather ignorant. Sure, there are individuals who use school to avoid responsiblities, but then there are also non-academic people who bounce from job to job with the same mentality.

Or do you just have some hidden contempt for higher education? Not unusual, at all. Many middle-class conservatives find higher education too elitist and liberal for their liking.

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="blue">Maruga_Mercury</font> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I think everybody is against me now :)

But i want to say the following:

1) Welfare State sometimes means that the government have to take care and protect the people who haves no job. It's true that sometimes the people who lives under welfare takes advantages of the state. And that's why the government have to promote and create jobs. I think if the government use (at lest) 2% of the budget.[/QUOTE]

Get it through your thick head. We do not need to promote and create jobs. There is a plethora of jobs in the service sector. So please, shut up already.

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="blue">Maruga_Mercury</font> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]

2) I apologize if i insulte anyone of you by my thougths. I think you all yankees didn't accept Bush as a president when he made trap to win.[/QUOTE]

Alright, so perhaps you are not very keen on our democratic process of election in America. You see, there are generally two main candidates for the position of President of the United States of America. The person who receives the greatest quantity of electoral votes becomes the President. In this case, George W. Bush amassed a greater quantity of these votes than his Democratic (the other party in America, as opposed to Bush's Republican party) counterpart. No traps, no tricks, no manipulation.

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="blue">Maruga_Mercury</font> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]

3) I'm still thinking that Bush have to take care about his own bussiness, and leave the rest of the world in peace.[/QUOTE]

That is called isolationism. The United States no longer practices this policy. Sorry you don't like it.

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="blue">Maruga_Mercury</font> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]

4) I know its difficult find job, i'm trying to now...[/QUOTE]

No. Bad Maruga. Wrong.

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="blue">Maruga_Mercury</font> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]

5) Finally, i hope everybody here thinks that, it is not Arlene's fault not to have a job, is USA government, 'cause this government doesn't support those people... let me remember the Live 8 phrase: "Let's make poverty history", and that's what all the governments of the world should unite and make poverty history, not only in Africa, in all the countries of the world.
[/QUOTE]

The government, the government. Dependence on the government is absolutely ridiculous, and blaming it for all your shortcomings is even worse. ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE THE SLIGHTEST INKLING OF KNOWLEDGE CONCERNING THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT.

Anti-USA discussion without Serry's involvement... The wonders go on!

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]jasen101 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I welcome Arlene to Canada...I just hope she can speak French....tu parles francais sweetie?

We take all the American rejects and turn them into mounties. I promise Arlene she will have a Canadian Government job in no time!

Now join me in our beautiful national anthem:

"Oh Canada
Our home and native land
True patriot love
In all our sons commands

We hate George Bush
and the right wing nuts
that rule you by your balls

In Canada
We are trully free
We like hockey and the French

God keep our land
Free for gays and arabs...
Oh Canada we stand on gaurd for thee
Oh Canada we stand on gaurd for thee!"

[/QUOTE]

"Oh Canada
Our cowerdly land
True same sex love
In our sons underpants

We steal and whine
from U.S.A. all the time
we don't hasve any balls

In Canada
We are only free
cos George Bush supports democracy

God keep our land
Free for gays and arabs...
Oh Canada we stand on gaurd for thee
Oh Canada thank God for American liberty!"

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Serry<h6>Inventor of terrible English wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Anti-USA discussion without Serry's involvement... The wonders go on![/QUOTE]

I was wondering where you were myself.

I don't understand why every second topic in the Personal forum has to include negative comments, hate and bashing. This goes both to the topic starter and to some of those who replied, such as Marunga and scott.

I did not post in the Arlene thread because I do not know anything about the issue and I cannot help. I also know that we always have to keep in mind that what we see on the internet must not necessarily reflect the whole truth. Of course Arlene has every right as a QZ member to post about her current problems and if the topic starter is fed up, all he had to do was avoid the topic instead of starting a new one.

I fully agree with John Stuart and I do not see how he could be perceived as Anti American. All he said was that the system does not work for all people and how can anybody be offended by this statement. I was very surprised that the American posters, although really being helpful, find it normal that a college graduate should work two or even three low paid jobs to make a living. But that is sure a matter of mentality.

As to the other issue discussed in this thread. I grew up in a country that was eternally grateful to the USA for putting an end to the Nazis and introducing democracy. We learned everything from the USA: to be fair and respect the rights of others, to be generous and help the poor to make a living, to help the ignorant to get an education, to build up a society where everybody has a chance to live in peace and legal and social security. To be alarmed when human rights are violated anywhere because we know that we can be the next victims any time.

But today the USA under Bush is regarded as one of the most brutal regimes in the world. Under Bush they abandoned the fight for human rights and introduced torture as a liable means in the alleged fight against terrorism. In all human right reports the USA are always named among other cruel regimes as China, North Korea and a couple of African countries. They created the term "Non Person" to deny people the most basic human rights. People are held in secret places with no lawyers, no legal hearing, no legal court.

Now you say you are not responsible because you did not vote for Bush and his approval rate is on an all time low. But isn't that the same lazy attitude you blame Arlene for in the other thread? You are citizens of this beautiful country and you are the ones who have to make the difference. How is it possible that the war criminal Rumsfeld was made defense secretary in the second Bush term without a public outcry? Why are there no demonstrations and why are there no mass emails to congress members and senators? It was possible that Clinton was impeached for lying to the public about an extra marital affair but it is not possible to do something about the clique that ruins your country and other countries?

As a German I am blamed for the Nazis wherever I go. Whenever I have a discussion about human rights with people of other countries they will bring it up at some point. I can say that I was not even born, that my parents were small children and my grandfather died in a Nazi prison but the fact remains that it was my country who committed all these crimes and the shame is the same no matter if I contributed or not. The shame that such atrocities could happen in my country and the majority of the people looked away because it was "only" the Jews, the Czechs, the Poles, the French, the Russians... until there was nobody left to defend their own human rights.

It's not Anti American to speak out against violations of international law and human rights violations. We are all responsible for this world and the responsibilty does not end in a voting booth. Do not forget that if you do not fight for the rights of other people, nobody will be left to fight for your rights.

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME][/QUOTENAME]

UC includes Santa Cruz, Los Angeles, and Davis!

And Santa Barbara!! That's where I went for 1 year, and it was incredibly wonderful.

Despising Bush and being anti-American is the latest fashion in the world. It is really boring me - not just the threads on QZ but around me in general. All these empty words of blame and despise...Who knows, I suspect they may even hide some strange jealousy and envy toward a strong people who, with all its problems and flaws, is still the greatest safeguard against global terror and extremism, even defending those who accuse them.

Insulting Bush is the latest craze. I disliked Bush when he was elected, for his ugly, disgusting death penalty record as a Governor. But I must confess that all this pointless and empty hate toward him have increased my sympathy for him.

Democrats and Republicans...It doesn't make a big diffeence. When it comes to crucial decisions, like foreign policy, they are almost always united, together, against those who attack them. I think this is something Americans should be proud of regardless of their political views, and something some of us foreigners would like to see in our countries, where politicians attack one another all the time and will not vote a decree they judge fair just because they want to be different...like little kids will do (Italy is the greatest example of this).

About the US ranking among the worst countries for the respect of human rights and the like, I can only laugh at this statement (I would cry but I prefer to laugh). Human right organizations are mostly just fakes, and they have lost my respect. When I saw on the Amnesty International site that Bush, Blair and Saddam were addressed as they were of the same kind, I stopped paying attention to their statements. Being against a war is one thing, and totally legitimate, but stating that democratically elected leaders and a brutal murderer of thousands are the same thing is to much for me to bear.

Nobody has said the US is flawless. Only Heaven is! But anyone who compares the US with African dictatorships and the like is out of their mind.

If I was an American citizen, no matter what my political stance, I would be indignated at the whole world...But all of yu Americans out there, just know that not everybody feels like that.

@Haystacks

Banning someone may be a solution for "wrestlers" living in and defending "the spirit" of a communist country like China...

Never knew up until now that Ohio (or Pennsylvania?) can already be counted as part of the "greater Beijing metropolitan-area"?! ;-)


@YourValentine & Fairy

Very well said Barbara(?) and Francesca... couldn´t have said it or expressed my thoughts any better...!!!