^^^ i take it you didn't read the bits before and, possible, after.
Or are you joking? There are so many bad, tasteless jokers on here, it's hard to tell.
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It's interesting.
These super negative viewpoints of Q+PR actually end up making me like them even more. It reinforces my fondness for them.
It's reassuring. Like a way of telling myself thank god I'm not that close-minded.
These super negative viewpoints of Q+PR actually end up making me like them even more. It reinforces my fondness for them.
It's reassuring. Like a way of telling myself thank god I'm not that close-minded.
This has nothing to do with being closed minded.Infact i think you need to be open minded to see the reality of this situation.I would like nothing more than to have seen Queen continue on from their peak years,but only if they can at least equal the best of the best.What's the point of carrying on if you simply have nothing left in the tank.All artists have a limited lifespan,look at McCartney.The question is whether or not in your heart you really believe you have anything left to offer the world of music.In the case of Queen,the answer is so easy it shouldn't even need to be debated at all.You have 25% of the band parading themselves as Queen.It's not Queen,but sadly there are people so desperate to cling onto whatever Brian and Roger do,that it's clouded their judgement to the point of losing all sense of reason.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]mr4thofjuly wrote: [/QUOTENAME]This has nothing to do with being closed minded.Infact i think you need to be open minded to see the reality of this situation.I would like nothing more than to have seen Queen continue on from their peak years,but only if they can at least equal the best of the best.What's the point of carrying on if you simply have nothing left in the tank.All artists have a limited lifespan,look at McCartney.The question is whether or not in your heart you really believe you have anything left to offer the world of music.In the case of Queen,the answer is so easy it shouldn't even need to be debated at all.You have 25% of the band parading themselves as Queen.It's not Queen,but sadly there are people so desperate to cling onto whatever Brian and Roger do,that it's clouded their judgement to the point of losing all sense of reason.[/QUOTE]
Unlike you I dont have any problem enjoying the music without condemning them.
I don't compare them to Queen's heyday.
In fact I dont even look at them like they are Queen, despite the name and the songs.
I dont get hung up on it and bash them on a public message board for kicks, that's just not me.
I live for the moment and I'm grateful for the awesome show I got to see in Hollywood and I'm about to see in San Jose.
I don't need some external justification of it's existance to enjoy it.
I just do.
I don bother thinking..hmm is Brian really as good now as he was in 1977?
You think you are more real when the truth is that you're not more real, you're just more cynical than me.
Look at all the smiling faces in the crowd on the ROTC DVD.
That in my book, is the definition of offering something to the music world.
Music is all about making one feel good.
And Q+PR does the trick for me.
Q+PR is about re-interpreting Queen's(and BadCo/Free)music, not rehashing it like a tribute act would.
It was NEVER intended to capture Queen in it's heyday and glory. That's the key point.
That's why it's so vital and fresh to me.
It's a shame really that you miss out on it because you can't get past your own cynical viewpoint.
Unlike you I dont have any problem enjoying the music without condemning them.
I don't compare them to Queen's heyday.
In fact I dont even look at them like they are Queen, despite the name and the songs.
I dont get hung up on it and bash them on a public message board for kicks, that's just not me.
I live for the moment and I'm grateful for the awesome show I got to see in Hollywood and I'm about to see in San Jose.
I don't need some external justification of it's existance to enjoy it.
I just do.
I don bother thinking..hmm is Brian really as good now as he was in 1977?
You think you are more real when the truth is that you're not more real, you're just more cynical than me.
Look at all the smiling faces in the crowd on the ROTC DVD.
That in my book, is the definition of offering something to the music world.
Music is all about making one feel good.
And Q+PR does the trick for me.
Q+PR is about re-interpreting Queen's(and BadCo/Free)music, not rehashing it like a tribute act would.
It was NEVER intended to capture Queen in it's heyday and glory. That's the key point.
That's why it's so vital and fresh to me.
It's a shame really that you miss out on it because you can't get past your own cynical viewpoint.
"Had Innuendo been released by any other band other than Queen,you would have gone nowhere near it."
Actually - no. You're completely wrong again. I happen to like Innuendo because I think it's good. Funny that.
"That album is one of Queen's weakest albums,as is everything released after 1980."
Now this is a matter of opinion I guess, but I really have to refute the claim you made in the first sentence - I didn't like Innuendo because QUEEN was written on it you fuckwit. I liked it because I think it's good. Jesus.
"For heaven's sake,they had to scrape the barrel to produce the Made In Heaven album,and pad it out with some studio chatter,but i bet you wasted your money on it,simply because it said Queen on the sleeve."
Wrong again. From the top of my head, A Winter's Tale and Mother Love are two of the best songs in their 180-something song catalogue. You're too busy wanking over your own reflection to get that, of course.
"I know it's hard sometimes to admit to yourself,but Queen were well on the slide for at least six years before they ended as a live act in 1986."
Hot Space, and The Miracle, I find to be weaker albums, but there was good songs strewn throughout the period. Whether or not they were in decline, they're still better than most of the shit of the period.
"I thought Headlong was about the only track which stood out in nearly a decade,the rest is average rock,and substandard childish pop."
You're telling me, over an 11 year period, that HEADLONG was the standout track, and that it's not average rock? For fuck's sake, it's one of the most simple songs of said period!
"To think that the remaining members,and let's no forget that John won't touch this current farce with a bargepole,can produce a good record in the 21st century,is laughable."
It wouldn't be the same without Freddie Mercury, no. But yeah, they could make something good.
"If you are content to listen to 25% of Queen"
Ok I still don't get this joke of yours, it's really crap - there was 4 people in the band you fucking fool; the public image was very much Freddie, but behind the scenes they were a four-person entity. If you liked them so much you'd know this. Stupid Robbie Williams fans....
"and some guy who once sang Alright now,slaughter the memory of a once great band,then you must have an extremely tiny mind."
If my brain, and your brain, sat next to each other on a bus, someone would get off the bus, go home, and tell their family:
"Dude, I just saw Barry White and Pee Wee Herman sit next to each other on the bus!".
I'd be Barry White. You fucking moron.
Actually - no. You're completely wrong again. I happen to like Innuendo because I think it's good. Funny that.
"That album is one of Queen's weakest albums,as is everything released after 1980."
Now this is a matter of opinion I guess, but I really have to refute the claim you made in the first sentence - I didn't like Innuendo because QUEEN was written on it you fuckwit. I liked it because I think it's good. Jesus.
"For heaven's sake,they had to scrape the barrel to produce the Made In Heaven album,and pad it out with some studio chatter,but i bet you wasted your money on it,simply because it said Queen on the sleeve."
Wrong again. From the top of my head, A Winter's Tale and Mother Love are two of the best songs in their 180-something song catalogue. You're too busy wanking over your own reflection to get that, of course.
"I know it's hard sometimes to admit to yourself,but Queen were well on the slide for at least six years before they ended as a live act in 1986."
Hot Space, and The Miracle, I find to be weaker albums, but there was good songs strewn throughout the period. Whether or not they were in decline, they're still better than most of the shit of the period.
"I thought Headlong was about the only track which stood out in nearly a decade,the rest is average rock,and substandard childish pop."
You're telling me, over an 11 year period, that HEADLONG was the standout track, and that it's not average rock? For fuck's sake, it's one of the most simple songs of said period!
"To think that the remaining members,and let's no forget that John won't touch this current farce with a bargepole,can produce a good record in the 21st century,is laughable."
It wouldn't be the same without Freddie Mercury, no. But yeah, they could make something good.
"If you are content to listen to 25% of Queen"
Ok I still don't get this joke of yours, it's really crap - there was 4 people in the band you fucking fool; the public image was very much Freddie, but behind the scenes they were a four-person entity. If you liked them so much you'd know this. Stupid Robbie Williams fans....
"and some guy who once sang Alright now,slaughter the memory of a once great band,then you must have an extremely tiny mind."
If my brain, and your brain, sat next to each other on a bus, someone would get off the bus, go home, and tell their family:
"Dude, I just saw Barry White and Pee Wee Herman sit next to each other on the bus!".
I'd be Barry White. You fucking moron.
Know what? i'll tell you exactly why this is happening.
Fred is dead. So a twat like BPP cannot be disappointed by anything he does. Cause he doesn't do anything. He can remember him the way he wants. Not the way he really was- he has no fucking idea what he was really like- he kept this side to himself and those close to him. Now- Bri and Rog are still alive. So their action CAN doisappoint. Just like the whole four disapppointed in 1982 majority (?) of fans. So they cannot be perfect- simply because they are alive. They are making decissions that some fans (?) would consider bad.
You know what a guy like BPP is missing? They were always amking decissions like that and simply didn't give a fuck. Hot Space, NOTW, South Africa, synthesisers... The list is LOOOONG. They have shit loads of money in their bank accounts. Yet they still do exactly the same thing as they were doing throughout their career. Make decisssions and taking risks. It took some balls to go on tour with Rodgers. The difference is: Freddie was making decissions like that (like recording something like "Delilah" for instance) a while ago. Brian and Roger are making decissions like that NOW. They do not allow us to take them the way we want them- they insist on accepting them the way they are. And if a GIMP like BPP can't do it (and few other twats who agree with him, even though nothing he writes make any sense)- I don't think they're bothered...
You're not going to buyt any more Queen stuff? Fine. Why are you still here than? Oh, right- no life...
Fred is dead. So a twat like BPP cannot be disappointed by anything he does. Cause he doesn't do anything. He can remember him the way he wants. Not the way he really was- he has no fucking idea what he was really like- he kept this side to himself and those close to him. Now- Bri and Rog are still alive. So their action CAN doisappoint. Just like the whole four disapppointed in 1982 majority (?) of fans. So they cannot be perfect- simply because they are alive. They are making decissions that some fans (?) would consider bad.
You know what a guy like BPP is missing? They were always amking decissions like that and simply didn't give a fuck. Hot Space, NOTW, South Africa, synthesisers... The list is LOOOONG. They have shit loads of money in their bank accounts. Yet they still do exactly the same thing as they were doing throughout their career. Make decisssions and taking risks. It took some balls to go on tour with Rodgers. The difference is: Freddie was making decissions like that (like recording something like "Delilah" for instance) a while ago. Brian and Roger are making decissions like that NOW. They do not allow us to take them the way we want them- they insist on accepting them the way they are. And if a GIMP like BPP can't do it (and few other twats who agree with him, even though nothing he writes make any sense)- I don't think they're bothered...
You're not going to buyt any more Queen stuff? Fine. Why are you still here than? Oh, right- no life...
I know you true believers in everything Roger and Brian will never see the true reality of this cynical cash-in.They must be laughing their heads off at idiots like you,as you beg for the musical scraps from their table.They could release any old crap under the sun(Return Of The Champions),and you would fall over yourself to buy it.I really don't think you are a fan of the band,if you are content with Kareoke Queen Paul Rogers style.As i said in a previous post,we shall see what the boys produce in the way of new material,and look at the sales figures.They haven't a hope in hell of matching the weakest Queen era material(1980-1991),so really what is the point?Maybe it would have been better for them to have toured as "Free- With Roger Taylor And Brian May".
"I know you true believers in everything Roger and Brian will never see the true reality of this cynical cash-in."
Um... remind me again, where is the inherent validity in what you claim as 'truth'? Let's not even get started on the gulf between truth and fact.
Why do we have to be 'true believers in everything Roger and Brian' to simply LIKE something, you slack-arsed little wimp? Why can't we just like something?
You shitheads really crack me up.
"They must be laughing their heads off at idiots like you,as you beg for the musical scraps from their table."
OR... and this is a big 'or', maybe they just like playing music and are having a good time? And there's nothing you can do about it? And they're good at what they do? And everyone else (except you and your snotnosed little friends) is having a good time too? Damn you suck!
The hard truth is, doesn't matter if they're crap, doesn't matter at all; the audiences are enjoying themselves. I've said a million times, I absolutely *hate* Robbie Williams and it hurts to see someone as talentless as him play the world stage... but heck, he's got my blessing if he can please that many people.
"They could release any old crap under the sun(Return Of The Champions)"
Yes but you see (or don't see, plainly - and tone deaf as you are you don't *hear* either) people buy this because they like it.
"and you would fall over yourself to buy it.I really don't think you are a fan of the band,if you are content with Kareoke Queen Paul Rogers style."
HOW THE FUCK can you (grotty little 12 year old that you must be) be arbiter of what makes someone a Queen fan or not? Doesn't it actually make us BIGGER fans than you, if we can appreciate more of their catalogue? I don't... think that myself, but by your own twisted logic it makes heaps of sense so I guess you've shot yourself in the foot. Moron.
"As i said in a previous post,we shall see what the boys produce in the way of new material,and look at the sales figures."
Yes, but I'm Going Slightly Mad was great and yet the only place it managed a no. 1 position was Hong Kong. Let's just forget sales figures, they're irrelevant and don't belong in a topic concerning what makes good music. (Spice Girls, anyone?)
"They haven't a hope in hell of matching the weakest Queen era material(1980-1991)"
Again with that magic number that you keep flouting - more as a gimmick than anything because it's totally meaningless. How can you (with a straight face) denounce a decade of music that includes Save Me? Innuendo? Bijou?
I won't mention Mother Love, because it was released outside the jurisdiction of your pathetic little 'era-of-crap' thing, so fuck you.
"so really what is the point?Maybe it would have been better for them to have toured as "Free- With Roger Taylor And Brian May"."
WHO CARES WHAT NAME THEY PICK. For fuck's sake, just listen to the music. Or don't - but for God's sake, stop assuming that we're not real Queen fans because we listen to more Queen than you do.
Um... remind me again, where is the inherent validity in what you claim as 'truth'? Let's not even get started on the gulf between truth and fact.
Why do we have to be 'true believers in everything Roger and Brian' to simply LIKE something, you slack-arsed little wimp? Why can't we just like something?
You shitheads really crack me up.
"They must be laughing their heads off at idiots like you,as you beg for the musical scraps from their table."
OR... and this is a big 'or', maybe they just like playing music and are having a good time? And there's nothing you can do about it? And they're good at what they do? And everyone else (except you and your snotnosed little friends) is having a good time too? Damn you suck!
The hard truth is, doesn't matter if they're crap, doesn't matter at all; the audiences are enjoying themselves. I've said a million times, I absolutely *hate* Robbie Williams and it hurts to see someone as talentless as him play the world stage... but heck, he's got my blessing if he can please that many people.
"They could release any old crap under the sun(Return Of The Champions)"
Yes but you see (or don't see, plainly - and tone deaf as you are you don't *hear* either) people buy this because they like it.
"and you would fall over yourself to buy it.I really don't think you are a fan of the band,if you are content with Kareoke Queen Paul Rogers style."
HOW THE FUCK can you (grotty little 12 year old that you must be) be arbiter of what makes someone a Queen fan or not? Doesn't it actually make us BIGGER fans than you, if we can appreciate more of their catalogue? I don't... think that myself, but by your own twisted logic it makes heaps of sense so I guess you've shot yourself in the foot. Moron.
"As i said in a previous post,we shall see what the boys produce in the way of new material,and look at the sales figures."
Yes, but I'm Going Slightly Mad was great and yet the only place it managed a no. 1 position was Hong Kong. Let's just forget sales figures, they're irrelevant and don't belong in a topic concerning what makes good music. (Spice Girls, anyone?)
"They haven't a hope in hell of matching the weakest Queen era material(1980-1991)"
Again with that magic number that you keep flouting - more as a gimmick than anything because it's totally meaningless. How can you (with a straight face) denounce a decade of music that includes Save Me? Innuendo? Bijou?
I won't mention Mother Love, because it was released outside the jurisdiction of your pathetic little 'era-of-crap' thing, so fuck you.
"so really what is the point?Maybe it would have been better for them to have toured as "Free- With Roger Taylor And Brian May"."
WHO CARES WHAT NAME THEY PICK. For fuck's sake, just listen to the music. Or don't - but for God's sake, stop assuming that we're not real Queen fans because we listen to more Queen than you do.
Sure the audience is enjoying it,they probably think Paul was always Queen's vocalist.You see,this is their target audience,uneducated casual listeners who have maybe heard We Are The Champions a couple of times,and think hey,i must check out this great new band.Also idiots who missed the real band first time round,and think this is a substitute will go along.I doubt you are a true Queen fan,as you seem to know nothing of the real band.Maybe you should move onto the Spice Girls,something befitting your obviously low intellect.I'm sure the industry could sell you the idea of a new Elvis tour,without Elvis,and i bet you'd snap up those tickets wouldn't you!Once 25% get in that studio and produce a Bohemian Rhapsody for the 21st century,then they'll win me over.What are the odds of that happening??Any idiot can churn out tired rock n roll,or destroy their reputation for some quick cash.Let's see how long this experiment lasts,and let's look back on this legacy in 10 years.I'm sure we'll all have a good laugh,and put it all into perspective.Bring on the new recordings,i can't wait.Now come on,respond again with some more childish abuse.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]JamieSureWould wrote: [/QUOTENAME]i agree BPP[/QUOTE]
What!?
What!?
"Sure the audience is enjoying it,they probably think Paul was always Queen's vocalist."
So... Freddie's own mother? Fan club members (read - people SO ENAMOURED with the back catalogue of Queen that they'll waste money on the band they like so much). What a fucktard.
"You see,this is their target audience,uneducated casual listeners who have maybe heard We Are The Champions a couple of times,and think hey,i must check out this great new band."
Wrong. The people who've heard WATC a few times are the ones that go "isn't Freddie Mercury dead?" and keep walking. Basically - you.
"Also idiots who missed the real band first time round,and think this is a substitute will go along."
You are intellectually deficient. People who missed the band first time around on account of not being born yet are not idiots, just unlucky. Perhaps some of them are seeing it because it's a 'substitute' as you call it, but you can't possibly say that is true of every single one of the thousands that went last year.
"I doubt you are a true Queen fan"
Wrong again. Been a Queen fan all my life. If you have a parent with you, get them to explain some of this shit to you - You do not say what makes other people Queen fans or not.
"as you seem to know nothing of the real band."
You have displayed sweet-fuck-all knowledge of the 'real band', as you call it so sagely. You probably think Bohemian Rhapsody is about AIDS.
"Maybe you should move onto the Spice Girls,something befitting your obviously low intellect."
Now that's interesting, I'm pretty sure the only reason you're using that word is because I showed it to you in another thread. How cute, now you're waving it around like a new toy!
"I'm sure the industry could sell you the idea of a new Elvis tour,without Elvis,and i bet you'd snap up those tickets wouldn't you!"
No I wouldn't.
"Once 25%"
Not funny.
"get in that studio and produce a Bohemian Rhapsody for the 21st century,then they'll win me over."
Jesus Christ.
"What are the odds of that happening??Any idiot can churn out tired rock n roll,or destroy their reputation for some quick cash.Let's see how long this experiment lasts,and let's look back on this legacy in 10 years."
I don't need 10 years to think about it, arsehole. I can see it already; thousands of people will be able to look back on a night out where they had a lot of fun with a bunch of other people. And arseholes like you will have reached high school and hopefully moved on.
"I'm sure we'll all have a good laugh,and put it all into perspective.Bring on the new recordings,i can't wait."
Neither can I, it sure will be interesting.
"Now come on,respond again with some more childish abuse."
Anything that lands on you, you have brought upon yourself. I have a vague impression that you're just some ten year old with nothing to do and are therefore deliberately trying to get reactions out of people... whatever. I'm indulging you because I'm bored, I don't *need* to argue because I know you're in the wrong. That - whether or not this music is 'crap' as you say it is (but what would you know, you think Save Me and Bijou are crap...) people are enjoying it by the busload.
There is a special seat reserved in hell for you my pre-teen little sycophant. It's the one that reads "The Kid With His Head Up His Arse".
So... Freddie's own mother? Fan club members (read - people SO ENAMOURED with the back catalogue of Queen that they'll waste money on the band they like so much). What a fucktard.
"You see,this is their target audience,uneducated casual listeners who have maybe heard We Are The Champions a couple of times,and think hey,i must check out this great new band."
Wrong. The people who've heard WATC a few times are the ones that go "isn't Freddie Mercury dead?" and keep walking. Basically - you.
"Also idiots who missed the real band first time round,and think this is a substitute will go along."
You are intellectually deficient. People who missed the band first time around on account of not being born yet are not idiots, just unlucky. Perhaps some of them are seeing it because it's a 'substitute' as you call it, but you can't possibly say that is true of every single one of the thousands that went last year.
"I doubt you are a true Queen fan"
Wrong again. Been a Queen fan all my life. If you have a parent with you, get them to explain some of this shit to you - You do not say what makes other people Queen fans or not.
"as you seem to know nothing of the real band."
You have displayed sweet-fuck-all knowledge of the 'real band', as you call it so sagely. You probably think Bohemian Rhapsody is about AIDS.
"Maybe you should move onto the Spice Girls,something befitting your obviously low intellect."
Now that's interesting, I'm pretty sure the only reason you're using that word is because I showed it to you in another thread. How cute, now you're waving it around like a new toy!
"I'm sure the industry could sell you the idea of a new Elvis tour,without Elvis,and i bet you'd snap up those tickets wouldn't you!"
No I wouldn't.
"Once 25%"
Not funny.
"get in that studio and produce a Bohemian Rhapsody for the 21st century,then they'll win me over."
Jesus Christ.
"What are the odds of that happening??Any idiot can churn out tired rock n roll,or destroy their reputation for some quick cash.Let's see how long this experiment lasts,and let's look back on this legacy in 10 years."
I don't need 10 years to think about it, arsehole. I can see it already; thousands of people will be able to look back on a night out where they had a lot of fun with a bunch of other people. And arseholes like you will have reached high school and hopefully moved on.
"I'm sure we'll all have a good laugh,and put it all into perspective.Bring on the new recordings,i can't wait."
Neither can I, it sure will be interesting.
"Now come on,respond again with some more childish abuse."
Anything that lands on you, you have brought upon yourself. I have a vague impression that you're just some ten year old with nothing to do and are therefore deliberately trying to get reactions out of people... whatever. I'm indulging you because I'm bored, I don't *need* to argue because I know you're in the wrong. That - whether or not this music is 'crap' as you say it is (but what would you know, you think Save Me and Bijou are crap...) people are enjoying it by the busload.
There is a special seat reserved in hell for you my pre-teen little sycophant. It's the one that reads "The Kid With His Head Up His Arse".
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zebonka12 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
"The Kid With His Head Up His Arse".[/QUOTE]
and much more besides.
"The Kid With His Head Up His Arse".[/QUOTE]
and much more besides.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<marquee>Queen Of Wrestling</marquee> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]JamieSureWould wrote: [/QUOTENAME]i agree BPP[/QUOTE]
What!?[/QUOTE]
i agree paul rodgers cant sing Queen songs, otherwise hes a fine singer for his own songs. but not freds
end of story, everyone knows it. i love Brian but hes not fooling anyone.
and it hurts me to say that only for Brian and Roger's sake.
What!?[/QUOTE]
i agree paul rodgers cant sing Queen songs, otherwise hes a fine singer for his own songs. but not freds
end of story, everyone knows it. i love Brian but hes not fooling anyone.
and it hurts me to say that only for Brian and Roger's sake.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]JamieSureWould wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<marquee>Queen Of Wrestling</marquee> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]JamieSureWould wrote: [/QUOTENAME]i agree BPP[/QUOTE]
What!?[/QUOTE]
i agree paul rodgers cant sing Queen songs, otherwise hes a fine singer for his own songs. but not freds
end of story, everyone knows it. i love Brian but hes not fooling anyone.
and it hurts me to say that only for Brian and Roger's sake.[/QUOTE]
But who would you rather did it? Would you prefer they stayed down?
What!?[/QUOTE]
i agree paul rodgers cant sing Queen songs, otherwise hes a fine singer for his own songs. but not freds
end of story, everyone knows it. i love Brian but hes not fooling anyone.
and it hurts me to say that only for Brian and Roger's sake.[/QUOTE]
But who would you rather did it? Would you prefer they stayed down?