i don't believe ANYONE should be given the death penalty. It's inhumane. It makes the courts just as bad as the killers. You're not only killing a murderer, you're killing a son/daughter, brother/sister, lover... anything. You will devaste people.
However, i do believe, if the death penalty is already in a country (say Bali) and a person is killed for breaking their law, (ok, im talking about the Australian guy who smuggles heroin into bali or somewhere, and was hung for it). They should be able to take the consquences. The Australian government (in my opinion) had no right to intervene.
well, there's my 2cents.
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Im sorry Monte but I fully agree with Ghetto trench
Look at how lenient we are towards criminals.
My step-half-uncle is in jail for 3rd degree murder and you know his sentance? 35 years.
Another dumbass Im related to had sex with a 17 year old (hes 45) and then pulled the most retarded defenses "I didnt know she wasnt 18" "It was consentual"
I dont care if Im related to them, theyre both disgraces to our family and I have a hard time missing them while theyre locked up.
Look at how lenient we are towards criminals.
My step-half-uncle is in jail for 3rd degree murder and you know his sentance? 35 years.
Another dumbass Im related to had sex with a 17 year old (hes 45) and then pulled the most retarded defenses "I didnt know she wasnt 18" "It was consentual"
I dont care if Im related to them, theyre both disgraces to our family and I have a hard time missing them while theyre locked up.
you have to wait until your 18 to have sex legally in the states? fuck, i'd die!1
ok, back to the issue. i understand what people have done is wrong. but look at it this way. Say this guy kills a girl. The girls family obviously want him dead. so he gets the death penalty. The girls family misses her, and hates him.
Then look at it from the killers familys point of view. They couldn't control what he did. But they love him all the same. They can see the good and the bad. When he is sentenced to death, his family wants revenge. So they end up hating the girls family.
i don't know if that makes sense. does in my mind. But you cannot honestly tell me, you would want to kill someone. Even if they killed your loved one.
ok, back to the issue. i understand what people have done is wrong. but look at it this way. Say this guy kills a girl. The girls family obviously want him dead. so he gets the death penalty. The girls family misses her, and hates him.
Then look at it from the killers familys point of view. They couldn't control what he did. But they love him all the same. They can see the good and the bad. When he is sentenced to death, his family wants revenge. So they end up hating the girls family.
i don't know if that makes sense. does in my mind. But you cannot honestly tell me, you would want to kill someone. Even if they killed your loved one.
Big difference between killing out of spite and killing in service of your country
service to your country? what have you been smoking? it's not a service to your country. it's one person. If it was a whole huge gang of people, i would understand. But it's one person. or a small group of people. It's not like they're wiping out a nation.
You bloody American are so patriotic!! Everything is for the country.
You bloody American are so patriotic!! Everything is for the country.
But its not like you would be killing an innocent person. You are ending the life of a threat to society and it should be an honor.
but could you honestly take someones life? you would be sucking the breath out of a person, whether they're innocent or not! it doesn't matter! it's a living being. just because they killed someone, doesn't mean they're not a real person. They are made up of all the things you and i are. They might be a bit twisted in the head, or that person just really pissed them off. You don't know the reason why they did it.
A life sentence is good enough. In fact, it's better, because they have to deal with life in prison with the regret hanging over them.
A life sentence is good enough. In fact, it's better, because they have to deal with life in prison with the regret hanging over them.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Monte: Liquorice Years wrote: [/QUOTENAME]but could you honestly take someones life? you would be sucking the breath out of a person, whether they're innocent or not! it doesn't matter! it's a living being. just because they killed someone, doesn't mean they're not a real person. They are made up of all the things you and i are. They might be a bit twisted in the head, or that person just really pissed them off. You don't know the reason why they did it.
A life sentence is good enough. In fact, it's better, because they have to deal with life in prison with the regret hanging over them. [/QUOTE]
So all people who kill a living being, a real person, in self defense should be shunned by society, or even punished with a jail sentence?
A life sentence is good enough. In fact, it's better, because they have to deal with life in prison with the regret hanging over them. [/QUOTE]
So all people who kill a living being, a real person, in self defense should be shunned by society, or even punished with a jail sentence?
First of all, I find any challenge to the right to a fair trial extremely unreasonable, and I cannot condone that under any circumstances. Any such suggestion is obnoxious and stupid.
As for saying that society's punishment of a killer in the name of justice is just as bad as the premeditated murder of an innocent victim - one might want to reconsider his opinion.
As for saying that society's punishment of a killer in the name of justice is just as bad as the premeditated murder of an innocent victim - one might want to reconsider his opinion.
Yeah right, our prisons have cable tv, free food and structured activites at the cost of the state. Thats better than some people live.
And ive seen these people without remorse act like what they did was right- and that kind of person has no place in my country.
And ive seen these people without remorse act like what they did was right- and that kind of person has no place in my country.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Monte: Liquorice Years wrote: [/QUOTENAME]but could you honestly take someones life? you would be sucking the breath out of a person, whether they're innocent or not! it doesn't matter! it's a living being. just because they killed someone, doesn't mean they're not a real person. They are made up of all the things you and i are. They might be a bit twisted in the head, or that person just really pissed them off. You don't know the reason why they did it.
A life sentence is good enough. In fact, it's better, because they have to deal with life in prison with the regret hanging over them. [/QUOTE]
So all people who kill a living being, a real person, in self defense should be shunned by society, or even punished with a jail sentence?[/QUOTE]
You don't get sent to jail for self defence. Well, not in Australia.
A life sentence is good enough. In fact, it's better, because they have to deal with life in prison with the regret hanging over them. [/QUOTE]
So all people who kill a living being, a real person, in self defense should be shunned by society, or even punished with a jail sentence?[/QUOTE]
You don't get sent to jail for self defence. Well, not in Australia.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<marquee>Queen Of Wrestling</marquee> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Yeah right, our prisons have cable tv, free food and structured activites at the cost of the state. Thats better than some people live.
And ive seen these people without remorse act like what they did was right- and that kind of person has no place in my country.[/QUOTE]
i don't know about your jail systems, but im pretty sure in Australia we don't have cable in prison.
And ive seen these people without remorse act like what they did was right- and that kind of person has no place in my country.[/QUOTE]
i don't know about your jail systems, but im pretty sure in Australia we don't have cable in prison.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Monte: Liquorice Years wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Monte: Liquorice Years wrote: [/QUOTENAME]but could you honestly take someones life? you would be sucking the breath out of a person, whether they're innocent or not! it doesn't matter! it's a living being. just because they killed someone, doesn't mean they're not a real person. They are made up of all the things you and i are. They might be a bit twisted in the head, or that person just really pissed them off. You don't know the reason why they did it.
A life sentence is good enough. In fact, it's better, because they have to deal with life in prison with the regret hanging over them. [/QUOTE]
So all people who kill a living being, a real person, in self defense should be shunned by society, or even punished with a jail sentence?[/QUOTE]
You don't get sent to jail for self defence. Well, not in Australia. [/QUOTE]
But don't you think you should? I mean, you are taking a human life, right?
A life sentence is good enough. In fact, it's better, because they have to deal with life in prison with the regret hanging over them. [/QUOTE]
So all people who kill a living being, a real person, in self defense should be shunned by society, or even punished with a jail sentence?[/QUOTE]
You don't get sent to jail for self defence. Well, not in Australia. [/QUOTE]
But don't you think you should? I mean, you are taking a human life, right?
i just don't believe it's right for someone to die. Everyone has the right to live. that's what being born is all about. Living your life in prison, how is that good? But i know it;s alot better than dieing.
you guys think what you will. You'll make great soldiers for your precious America. But i don't think it's right to take another, destroy another family.
In Australia, we don't have the death penalty. And we don;t have the American system where someone can get sent to jail for 200 years. We have a life sentence (or so i believe) and that's just what it is. You cannot get parole unless you show you feel remorse. You get a criminal record, which limits your choices of work for when you do get out. That's punishment enough in my books
you guys think what you will. You'll make great soldiers for your precious America. But i don't think it's right to take another, destroy another family.
In Australia, we don't have the death penalty. And we don;t have the American system where someone can get sent to jail for 200 years. We have a life sentence (or so i believe) and that's just what it is. You cannot get parole unless you show you feel remorse. You get a criminal record, which limits your choices of work for when you do get out. That's punishment enough in my books
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Monte: Liquorice Years wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Monte: Liquorice Years wrote: [/QUOTENAME]but could you honestly take someones life? you would be sucking the breath out of a person, whether they're innocent or not! it doesn't matter! it's a living being. just because they killed someone, doesn't mean they're not a real person. They are made up of all the things you and i are. They might be a bit twisted in the head, or that person just really pissed them off. You don't know the reason why they did it.
A life sentence is good enough. In fact, it's better, because they have to deal with life in prison with the regret hanging over them. [/QUOTE]
So all people who kill a living being, a real person, in self defense should be shunned by society, or even punished with a jail sentence?[/QUOTE]
You don't get sent to jail for self defence. Well, not in Australia. [/QUOTE]
But don't you think you should? I mean, you are taking a human life, right?[/QUOTE]
No, because they were going to take your life. it's called self defence. If someone pulls a gun on you, and you manage to kill them first, it was because you were protecting your life, or your family's life.
However, as soon as they turn their back, or lower their weapon, if you attack and kill them, you get sentenced.
Every man has the right to protect his life, or his familys life, or even his property (i think thats the law in England). I'm not saying what they did was good. But they didn't go out and willingly kill their attacker. Self defence.
A life sentence is good enough. In fact, it's better, because they have to deal with life in prison with the regret hanging over them. [/QUOTE]
So all people who kill a living being, a real person, in self defense should be shunned by society, or even punished with a jail sentence?[/QUOTE]
You don't get sent to jail for self defence. Well, not in Australia. [/QUOTE]
But don't you think you should? I mean, you are taking a human life, right?[/QUOTE]
No, because they were going to take your life. it's called self defence. If someone pulls a gun on you, and you manage to kill them first, it was because you were protecting your life, or your family's life.
However, as soon as they turn their back, or lower their weapon, if you attack and kill them, you get sentenced.
Every man has the right to protect his life, or his familys life, or even his property (i think thats the law in England). I'm not saying what they did was good. But they didn't go out and willingly kill their attacker. Self defence.