[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Monte: Liquorice Years wrote: [/QUOTENAME]i just don't believe it's right for someone to die. Everyone has the right to live. that's what being born is all about. Living your life in prison, how is that good? But i know it;s alot better than dieing. [/QUOTE]
It's not good. Paying a $5 fine isn't good either. Why don't we just implement that punishment? In my opinion, the only penalty worthy of the most heinous of crimes is death. Just as a $5 fine would not work, so a life sentence would not.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Monte: Liquorice Years wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
you guys think what you will. You'll make great soldiers for your precious America. But i don't think it's right to take another, destroy another family.[/QUOTE]
Whoa! Did I say I was joining the Armed Forces? But you're right, I do very much appreciate my country. I love it, and I respect those who do choose to enter the Armed Forces. It is very disrespectful how you belittle them.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Monte: Liquorice Years wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
In Australia, we don't have the death penalty. And we don;t have the American system where someone can get sent to jail for 200 years. We have a life sentence (or so i believe) and that's just what it is. You cannot get parole unless you show you feel remorse. You get a criminal record, which limits your choices of work for when you do get out. That's punishment enough in my books[/QUOTE]
First of all, who is to prove someone feels remorse? It's all subjective. Also, I tend not to believe that saying "I'm sorry" is a panacea for all levels of social wrongdoings. This punishment you describe is weak at best. I'm sure somebody could get the same punishment for insurance fraud.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Monte: Liquorice Years wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Monte: Liquorice Years wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Monte: Liquorice Years wrote: [/QUOTENAME]but could you honestly take someones life? you would be sucking the breath out of a person, whether they're innocent or not! it doesn't matter! it's a living being. just because they killed someone, doesn't mean they're not a real person. They are made up of all the things you and i are. They might be a bit twisted in the head, or that person just really pissed them off. You don't know the reason why they did it.
A life sentence is good enough. In fact, it's better, because they have to deal with life in prison with the regret hanging over them. [/QUOTE]
So all people who kill a living being, a real person, in self defense should be shunned by society, or even punished with a jail sentence?[/QUOTE]
You don't get sent to jail for self defence. Well, not in Australia. [/QUOTE]
But don't you think you should? I mean, you are taking a human life, right?[/QUOTE]
No, because they were going to take your life. it's called self defence. If someone pulls a gun on you, and you manage to kill them first, it was because you were protecting your life, or your family's life.
However, as soon as they turn their back, or lower their weapon, if you attack and kill them, you get sentenced.
Every man has the right to protect his life, or his familys life, or even his property (i think thats the law in England). I'm not saying what they did was good. But they didn't go out and willingly kill their attacker. Self defence.[/QUOTE]
So you're saying that there are exceptions to killing? Why isn't social justice one of them?
A life sentence is good enough. In fact, it's better, because they have to deal with life in prison with the regret hanging over them. [/QUOTE]
So all people who kill a living being, a real person, in self defense should be shunned by society, or even punished with a jail sentence?[/QUOTE]
You don't get sent to jail for self defence. Well, not in Australia. [/QUOTE]
But don't you think you should? I mean, you are taking a human life, right?[/QUOTE]
No, because they were going to take your life. it's called self defence. If someone pulls a gun on you, and you manage to kill them first, it was because you were protecting your life, or your family's life.
However, as soon as they turn their back, or lower their weapon, if you attack and kill them, you get sentenced.
Every man has the right to protect his life, or his familys life, or even his property (i think thats the law in England). I'm not saying what they did was good. But they didn't go out and willingly kill their attacker. Self defence.[/QUOTE]
So you're saying that there are exceptions to killing? Why isn't social justice one of them?
listen, buddy. it's my fucking opinion. You are now really infuriating me. I clearly grew up in another world to you, where i was taught to believe that killing someone is wrong. that's my view.
i wasn't belittling your soldiers. i don't like america! Happy! i think Bush is a fuckwit, and John Howard has his head so far up Bushs arse, he can't see clearly!
Self defence is a different matter all together! When you murder someone, you go out and kill them. that is your aim. With self defence, you panic when someone is threating your life, so you attack. its a mental issue, thats why they get off.
i don't care that you can't see my views. thats your fucking problem, not mine. i can't see yours, so its my problem. i was just trying to help you see a different. clearly you dont want to. i'm sorry for wasting your time.
i wasn't belittling your soldiers. i don't like america! Happy! i think Bush is a fuckwit, and John Howard has his head so far up Bushs arse, he can't see clearly!
Self defence is a different matter all together! When you murder someone, you go out and kill them. that is your aim. With self defence, you panic when someone is threating your life, so you attack. its a mental issue, thats why they get off.
i don't care that you can't see my views. thats your fucking problem, not mine. i can't see yours, so its my problem. i was just trying to help you see a different. clearly you dont want to. i'm sorry for wasting your time.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]jcrawford79 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="lime">KillerQueen840 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]The death penalty has to been one of the stupidest things I've ever heard of.
Killing someone to show that killing is wrong? Wow.[/QUOTE]
When shit like this happens... They should forget about a trial for these scum. They should just take them out and fire a bullet in the back of their head. The fact that this could've been one of my friends that this happened to... Wait, forget shooting them, torture the fuckers to death!
But, oh, whoops, that's "inhumane".[/QUOTE]
I usually feel sorry for you with everyone always bashing your posts. But this time, I agree with them. This is the most outrageously stupid fucking post I have ever read. Forget about a trial?! You are so conservative you would make Pat Robertson blush in embarassment.[/QUOTE]
Hmm, or maybe I just don't like the idea of people not being able to walk the streets in my city without fear of some thug attacking them! There have been murders in the double digits in Philly already this year, and the first month isn't even over yet! There was a girl who went to the next school over who kidnapped a girl, raped her and stashed her body in an oil drum in West Philly. Oh yeah, rehabilitating that thing will really help, won't it? I'm sure he'll really feel remorse, when he didn't feel it while he was raping a 15 year old. And because the victim was African-American, there will be no national outrage to ensure any justice be done. Mark my words, he'll get 20 years at most, and he'll be out on the street again. Oh no, he's sorry. He's done his time. [/QUOTE]
Well then, perhaps you live in a violent town. There are violent areas even among the most peaceful societies. Considering that this is so concerning to you, my advice is for you to move. But why should people be denied the right to trial simply because you are scared?
To kill someone without proving them guilty in a court of law is to kill someone without reason. To kill someone without reason is murder. Therefore, you, my friend, condone murder. And in a government founded upon YOUR philosophies, you would be executed.
Killing someone to show that killing is wrong? Wow.[/QUOTE]
When shit like this happens... They should forget about a trial for these scum. They should just take them out and fire a bullet in the back of their head. The fact that this could've been one of my friends that this happened to... Wait, forget shooting them, torture the fuckers to death!
But, oh, whoops, that's "inhumane".[/QUOTE]
I usually feel sorry for you with everyone always bashing your posts. But this time, I agree with them. This is the most outrageously stupid fucking post I have ever read. Forget about a trial?! You are so conservative you would make Pat Robertson blush in embarassment.[/QUOTE]
Hmm, or maybe I just don't like the idea of people not being able to walk the streets in my city without fear of some thug attacking them! There have been murders in the double digits in Philly already this year, and the first month isn't even over yet! There was a girl who went to the next school over who kidnapped a girl, raped her and stashed her body in an oil drum in West Philly. Oh yeah, rehabilitating that thing will really help, won't it? I'm sure he'll really feel remorse, when he didn't feel it while he was raping a 15 year old. And because the victim was African-American, there will be no national outrage to ensure any justice be done. Mark my words, he'll get 20 years at most, and he'll be out on the street again. Oh no, he's sorry. He's done his time. [/QUOTE]
Well then, perhaps you live in a violent town. There are violent areas even among the most peaceful societies. Considering that this is so concerning to you, my advice is for you to move. But why should people be denied the right to trial simply because you are scared?
To kill someone without proving them guilty in a court of law is to kill someone without reason. To kill someone without reason is murder. Therefore, you, my friend, condone murder. And in a government founded upon YOUR philosophies, you would be executed.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Monte: Liquorice Years wrote: [/QUOTENAME]listen, buddy. it's my fucking opinion. You are now really infuriating me. I clearly grew up in another world to you, where i was taught to believe that killing someone is wrong. that's my view.
i wasn't belittling your soldiers. i don't like america! Happy! i think Bush is a fuckwit, and John Howard has his head so far up Bushs arse, he can't see clearly!
Self defence is a different matter all together! When you murder someone, you go out and kill them. that is your aim. With self defence, you panic when someone is threating your life, so you attack. its a mental issue, thats why they get off.
i don't care that you can't see my views. thats your fucking problem, not mine. i can't see yours, so its my problem. i was just trying to help you see a different. clearly you dont want to. i'm sorry for wasting your time.[/QUOTE]
I can see your views very well. I understand and respect them. I was merely provoking intelligent thought and discussion, which I'm assuming you are not very familiar with.
To be honest, I have no real opinion on the matter. It does not concern me at all, and I can see, understand, and argue both sides. Not everything is black and white.
Please refrain from uninformed bigotry. It's one of my pet peeves.
i wasn't belittling your soldiers. i don't like america! Happy! i think Bush is a fuckwit, and John Howard has his head so far up Bushs arse, he can't see clearly!
Self defence is a different matter all together! When you murder someone, you go out and kill them. that is your aim. With self defence, you panic when someone is threating your life, so you attack. its a mental issue, thats why they get off.
i don't care that you can't see my views. thats your fucking problem, not mine. i can't see yours, so its my problem. i was just trying to help you see a different. clearly you dont want to. i'm sorry for wasting your time.[/QUOTE]
I can see your views very well. I understand and respect them. I was merely provoking intelligent thought and discussion, which I'm assuming you are not very familiar with.
To be honest, I have no real opinion on the matter. It does not concern me at all, and I can see, understand, and argue both sides. Not everything is black and white.
Please refrain from uninformed bigotry. It's one of my pet peeves.
"The 30-year-old graduate student was treated at a hospital for a dislocated jaw."
i think calling for the death penalty for a dislocated jaw is a bit much dont you?
should at least be a wedgie....
i think calling for the death penalty for a dislocated jaw is a bit much dont you?
should at least be a wedgie....
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]iron eagle wrote: [/QUOTENAME]"The 30-year-old graduate student was treated at a hospital for a dislocated jaw."
i think calling for the death penalty for a dislocated jaw is a bit much dont you?
should at least be a wedgie....
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Granted, I may stand alone out on this limb....but I would say that a wedgie is worse than execution.
i think calling for the death penalty for a dislocated jaw is a bit much dont you?
should at least be a wedgie....
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Granted, I may stand alone out on this limb....but I would say that a wedgie is worse than execution.
I believe in the concept of a death penalty. The most depraved "human" animals should be culled from the human race, as these most horrid murderers have forsaken their humanity, and are not entitled to any support while in prison. Also, I believe that the death penalty should apply to the underaged and insane (I am manic depressive by the way) as applicable.
HOWEVER, in our imperfect world, the death penalty should not be imposed - for several reasons:
Wrongful convictions. Illinois' death penalty history is evidence enough.
Unfair application of death penalty. OJ should have been put to death, but his money and high power attorneys prevented even a simple murder conviction.
It costs more to endure endless appeals trying to institute the death penalty, than it costs to imprison a murderer for life.
Only lawyers benefit from the death penalty.
Will anyone read past my 1st paragraph?
HOWEVER, in our imperfect world, the death penalty should not be imposed - for several reasons:
Wrongful convictions. Illinois' death penalty history is evidence enough.
Unfair application of death penalty. OJ should have been put to death, but his money and high power attorneys prevented even a simple murder conviction.
It costs more to endure endless appeals trying to institute the death penalty, than it costs to imprison a murderer for life.
Only lawyers benefit from the death penalty.
Will anyone read past my 1st paragraph?
I believe '40' years constitutes a life sentence in Australia. We've not had execution in Australia for 38 years.
It´s funny that one of the only ´civilised´ country´s in the world that has the death-penalty has also the highest crime-rates in the world. Doesn´t seem to work that well, does it?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]jcrawford79 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]To kill someone without proving them guilty in a court of law is to kill someone without reason. To kill someone without reason is murder. Therefore, you, my friend, condone murder. And in a government founded upon YOUR philosophies, you would be executed.[/QUOTE]
That wanderfully sums it all up. Are all Republicans as stupid? Or is it just one person giving them bad name? I'm asking seriously- don't know America and the political system there, don't know if all Republicans want the wild, wild west times to come back...
That wanderfully sums it all up. Are all Republicans as stupid? Or is it just one person giving them bad name? I'm asking seriously- don't know America and the political system there, don't know if all Republicans want the wild, wild west times to come back...
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Rik&Roll wrote: [/QUOTENAME]It´s funny that one of the only ´civilised´ country´s in the world that has the death-penalty has also the highest crime-rates in the world. Doesn´t seem to work that well, does it?[/QUOTE]
I think that could possibly have something to do with the fact that the country in question has inexplicably held onto a two hundred year old 'right to bear arms' which of course means that any idiot can go around with a rifle in their car, or legally get hold of a handgun if they can wait for three days! For God's sake, there's one bank in the states that gives out a free gun when someone opens a certain account! I know that if someone really wants to get their hands on a weapon they will, but at least it would be a bit more difficult if the US government had had the balls to do something about this ridiculous law 50 years ago.
and back on topic, as someone has already said, what about those who have been sentenced to death without having actually committed the crime of which they were accused? One such case was the guy who was proved to be innocent not by the public defender who had been assigned to him and couldn't be bothered to do his job properly, but by a class of college students who were looking at his case as part of a project on the legal system.
The death penalty, in my eyes, does nothing except dish out something that feels like revenge, which surely isn't something that we, as supposedly civillised people, should be looking for?
I think that could possibly have something to do with the fact that the country in question has inexplicably held onto a two hundred year old 'right to bear arms' which of course means that any idiot can go around with a rifle in their car, or legally get hold of a handgun if they can wait for three days! For God's sake, there's one bank in the states that gives out a free gun when someone opens a certain account! I know that if someone really wants to get their hands on a weapon they will, but at least it would be a bit more difficult if the US government had had the balls to do something about this ridiculous law 50 years ago.
and back on topic, as someone has already said, what about those who have been sentenced to death without having actually committed the crime of which they were accused? One such case was the guy who was proved to be innocent not by the public defender who had been assigned to him and couldn't be bothered to do his job properly, but by a class of college students who were looking at his case as part of a project on the legal system.
The death penalty, in my eyes, does nothing except dish out something that feels like revenge, which surely isn't something that we, as supposedly civillised people, should be looking for?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]great king rat 1138 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Rik&Roll wrote: [/QUOTENAME]It´s funny that one of the only ´civilised´ country´s in the world that has the death-penalty has also the highest crime-rates in the world. Doesn´t seem to work that well, does it?[/QUOTE]
I think that could possibly have something to do with the fact that the country in question has inexplicably held onto a two hundred year old 'right to bear arms' which of course means that any idiot can go around with a rifle in their car, or legally get hold of a handgun if they can wait for three days! For God's sake, there's one bank in the states that gives out a free gun when someone opens a certain account! I know that if someone really wants to get their hands on a weapon they will, but at least it would be a bit more difficult if the US government had had the balls to do something about this ridiculous law 50 years ago.
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Another reason (IMO)... The American (failing) social system! Poor people hardly get any support. The differces between people are just too big.
Poverty is one of the most important "reasons" for people to commit crimes... they just don't see another way out or are just bored! So FGT.. maybe you should do something about this, instead of killing the people that are dropped in the ghetto by the politicians you love!
I think that could possibly have something to do with the fact that the country in question has inexplicably held onto a two hundred year old 'right to bear arms' which of course means that any idiot can go around with a rifle in their car, or legally get hold of a handgun if they can wait for three days! For God's sake, there's one bank in the states that gives out a free gun when someone opens a certain account! I know that if someone really wants to get their hands on a weapon they will, but at least it would be a bit more difficult if the US government had had the balls to do something about this ridiculous law 50 years ago.
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Another reason (IMO)... The American (failing) social system! Poor people hardly get any support. The differces between people are just too big.
Poverty is one of the most important "reasons" for people to commit crimes... they just don't see another way out or are just bored! So FGT.. maybe you should do something about this, instead of killing the people that are dropped in the ghetto by the politicians you love!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]The Mir@cle wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Poor people hardly get any support. [/QUOTE]
What are you smoking? These poor people get so much support and milk the system so much that they can get big screen TV's, get more food than MY family can afford, and use the excess money they have TO BUY WEAPONS (!!!!!) if they wanted to. My grandma once was behind someone in the checkout line of a local grocery store behind someone who was on welfare and crap, and after she paid her food with her food stamps, she pulled out a $50.00 BILL AND PAYED FOR THE MASSIVE AMOUNT OF CIGS SHE WAS BUYING. That isn't right. Sorry, that REALLY isn't right.
Poor people hardly get any support. [/QUOTE]
What are you smoking? These poor people get so much support and milk the system so much that they can get big screen TV's, get more food than MY family can afford, and use the excess money they have TO BUY WEAPONS (!!!!!) if they wanted to. My grandma once was behind someone in the checkout line of a local grocery store behind someone who was on welfare and crap, and after she paid her food with her food stamps, she pulled out a $50.00 BILL AND PAYED FOR THE MASSIVE AMOUNT OF CIGS SHE WAS BUYING. That isn't right. Sorry, that REALLY isn't right.
Oh, and Monte, If you have ANY problems about America...
DON'T GO THERE! STAY IN AUSTRALIA!
DON'T GO THERE! STAY IN AUSTRALIA!