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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]spymyshadow wrote: [/QUOTENAME]What it seemes to be the main reason of muslims being hurt is our (western) supposed making fun of Allah. But the real meaning of those pictures for me is not ridiculing a god but the use some people make of god. Muslims, or more simply some of them, expect to justify their wars against the west claiming this is Allah's will.[/QUOTE]
Right, that is looking at it from OUR point of view. That is the mistake we in the west make. We use our western ways of thinking to speak for others who do not see the world as we do. But this isn't completely an east-west thing. Many muslims in the west are equally upset about this. Just because they aren't the ones burning down Danish embassies doesn't mean they're less angry.
http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2006/02/09/cartoons-annan060209.html
Kofi Annan is right on the money.
Islam is not going anywhere, so in our wisdom, we need to realize how others may react when we tread on their ground and their freedom of belief. The question is not whether or not certain methods of retaliation are right or wrong. The question is, how well do we understand our differences from people with worldviews different from ours? What is it going to take? The US is in Iraq right now, imposing their ideas of democracy on people who do not know what democracy is, nor do they want it imposed on them. They have clearly stated in polls that they are in worse condition now than they were before the US invaded their country. When will we in the west learn that everyone doesn't think and see things the way we do? How far will we go? What's next?
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dear mr gh
the main reason because I'm analyzing those pictures from a western point of view is because western people did it not muslims.The question is what western people meant with that,and I'm quite3 confident about the message. Still, I'm not clever enough to see why muslims should think it as an offence to god,since it was not originally meant to be that, if putting it this way can make you feel better.
Of course you're perfectly right about the fact that islamic countries were offended even worse than in papers, that is by making war, invading them and so on, and they have each and every right to protest against their being abused, provided that it is in a civil way. Recent events though led me to think that this is hard to achieve and those muslims you tell me about, not burning down embassies, seem not to be the majority. Those rarities don't hurt anybody, but they can't objectively reject and criticize the excesses and the madnesses of their religion, differently from you, who, though being a western, thanks all the same to your western education, have achieved the means to criticize the errors of you culture.
Right, that is looking at it from OUR point of view. That is the mistake we in the west make. We use our western ways of thinking to speak for others who do not see the world as we do. But this isn't completely an east-west thing. Many muslims in the west are equally upset about this. Just because they aren't the ones burning down Danish embassies doesn't mean they're less angry.
http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2006/02/09/cartoons-annan060209.html
Kofi Annan is right on the money.
Islam is not going anywhere, so in our wisdom, we need to realize how others may react when we tread on their ground and their freedom of belief. The question is not whether or not certain methods of retaliation are right or wrong. The question is, how well do we understand our differences from people with worldviews different from ours? What is it going to take? The US is in Iraq right now, imposing their ideas of democracy on people who do not know what democracy is, nor do they want it imposed on them. They have clearly stated in polls that they are in worse condition now than they were before the US invaded their country. When will we in the west learn that everyone doesn't think and see things the way we do? How far will we go? What's next?
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dear mr gh
the main reason because I'm analyzing those pictures from a western point of view is because western people did it not muslims.The question is what western people meant with that,and I'm quite3 confident about the message. Still, I'm not clever enough to see why muslims should think it as an offence to god,since it was not originally meant to be that, if putting it this way can make you feel better.
Of course you're perfectly right about the fact that islamic countries were offended even worse than in papers, that is by making war, invading them and so on, and they have each and every right to protest against their being abused, provided that it is in a civil way. Recent events though led me to think that this is hard to achieve and those muslims you tell me about, not burning down embassies, seem not to be the majority. Those rarities don't hurt anybody, but they can't objectively reject and criticize the excesses and the madnesses of their religion, differently from you, who, though being a western, thanks all the same to your western education, have achieved the means to criticize the errors of you culture.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Lisser wrote: [/QUOTENAME]all the posts are messed up. I can't tell which goes where.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I'm pretty lost. Eventually, though, if we keep posting, we'll get to the next page where it will return to normal.
Yes, I'm pretty lost. Eventually, though, if we keep posting, we'll get to the next page where it will return to normal.