[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE]
Uh, are you implying that Matthew Shepard's death destroyed the nation? Where the hell was I!?
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It didn't destroy the nation, but it DID destroy an innocent college student who was doing nothing wrong to anyone. Shepard was an innocent, Henderson and McKinney were thugs.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Bitch</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Its not that guns should be illegal, its that they should be less available.
and for FreddiesGhettoTrench, there are many ways to defend yourself without a gun or, without a weapon for that matter- but why cant you defend yourself with a screwdriver or car key?[/QUOTE]
You can if you have the strength to back it up. With either of those you can be overpowered. If you're 6'5 and 300 lbs, you don't need a gun. For the rest of us, that's not an option.
and for FreddiesGhettoTrench, there are many ways to defend yourself without a gun or, without a weapon for that matter- but why cant you defend yourself with a screwdriver or car key?[/QUOTE]
You can if you have the strength to back it up. With either of those you can be overpowered. If you're 6'5 and 300 lbs, you don't need a gun. For the rest of us, that's not an option.
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Or - we could encourage people to accept gays as being human beings just like anyone else, and in the end, neither the prejudice nor the retaliation will be necessary. Right?
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If the world worked that way, that would be lovely, but it's not going to happen. You can't force people not to be pricks, unless you execute them, but then we have a liberal backlash.
Or - we could encourage people to accept gays as being human beings just like anyone else, and in the end, neither the prejudice nor the retaliation will be necessary. Right?
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If the world worked that way, that would be lovely, but it's not going to happen. You can't force people not to be pricks, unless you execute them, but then we have a liberal backlash.
speaking of which anyone see The Daily Show last night??
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE]
Or - we could encourage people to accept gays as being human beings just like anyone else, and in the end, neither the prejudice nor the retaliation will be necessary. Right?
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If the world worked that way, that would be lovely, but it's not going to happen. You can't force people not to be pricks, unless you execute them, but then we have a liberal backlash. [/QUOTE]
The more I read your posts, the more I realize that you're an extremist.
Guns and the use of violent force are not the solution to all the problems in the world, you know?
Or - we could encourage people to accept gays as being human beings just like anyone else, and in the end, neither the prejudice nor the retaliation will be necessary. Right?
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If the world worked that way, that would be lovely, but it's not going to happen. You can't force people not to be pricks, unless you execute them, but then we have a liberal backlash. [/QUOTE]
The more I read your posts, the more I realize that you're an extremist.
Guns and the use of violent force are not the solution to all the problems in the world, you know?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Bitch</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Its not that guns should be illegal, its that they should be less available.
and for FreddiesGhettoTrench, there are many ways to defend yourself without a gun or, without a weapon for that matter- but why cant you defend yourself with a screwdriver or car key?[/QUOTE]
You can if you have the strength to back it up. With either of those you can be overpowered. If you're 6'5 and 300 lbs, you don't need a gun. For the rest of us, that's not an option.[/QUOTE]
Im not advocating carrying things like this but you could easily hide a pen knife or switch blade. And why cant you just use the old barfighting tactic and ram your carkeys into their temple?
and for FreddiesGhettoTrench, there are many ways to defend yourself without a gun or, without a weapon for that matter- but why cant you defend yourself with a screwdriver or car key?[/QUOTE]
You can if you have the strength to back it up. With either of those you can be overpowered. If you're 6'5 and 300 lbs, you don't need a gun. For the rest of us, that's not an option.[/QUOTE]
Im not advocating carrying things like this but you could easily hide a pen knife or switch blade. And why cant you just use the old barfighting tactic and ram your carkeys into their temple?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Uh, are you implying that Matthew Shepard's death destroyed the nation? Where the hell was I!?
[/QUOTE]
It didn't destroy the nation, but it DID destroy an innocent college student who was doing nothing wrong to anyone. Shepard was an innocent, Henderson and McKinney were thugs.
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Basically, if this type of incident happened 1000 times when the victim was unarmed, 900 times would see that no one would die. Most, if not all, of the 100 deaths being the victim.
However, if the victim were armed, the number would probably be more like 300. However, with a gun involved, it's likely that of the 700 incidents reporting deaths, many would be deaths of the aggressor, but many of them would also be that of the victim.
Of course these are made up statistics, but anyone can see how they make sense.
Either way, to be honest, regardless of who dies, I prefer the first scenario.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Uh, are you implying that Matthew Shepard's death destroyed the nation? Where the hell was I!?
[/QUOTE]
It didn't destroy the nation, but it DID destroy an innocent college student who was doing nothing wrong to anyone. Shepard was an innocent, Henderson and McKinney were thugs.
[/QUOTE]
Basically, if this type of incident happened 1000 times when the victim was unarmed, 900 times would see that no one would die. Most, if not all, of the 100 deaths being the victim.
However, if the victim were armed, the number would probably be more like 300. However, with a gun involved, it's likely that of the 700 incidents reporting deaths, many would be deaths of the aggressor, but many of them would also be that of the victim.
Of course these are made up statistics, but anyone can see how they make sense.
Either way, to be honest, regardless of who dies, I prefer the first scenario.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Bitch</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Its not that guns should be illegal, its that they should be less available.
and for FreddiesGhettoTrench, there are many ways to defend yourself without a gun or, without a weapon for that matter- but why cant you defend yourself with a screwdriver or car key?[/QUOTE]
You can if you have the strength to back it up. With either of those you can be overpowered. If you're 6'5 and 300 lbs, you don't need a gun. For the rest of us, that's not an option.[/QUOTE]
Same thing with a gun. Odds are, when a gun becomes involved in anyone's possession, your chances of being severely injured or killed will skyrocket.
Maybe you're an exception, but to point a gun at a person is very difficult, let alone being able to pull the trigger. Odds are, the person attacking you would be much more comfortable in that situation.
and for FreddiesGhettoTrench, there are many ways to defend yourself without a gun or, without a weapon for that matter- but why cant you defend yourself with a screwdriver or car key?[/QUOTE]
You can if you have the strength to back it up. With either of those you can be overpowered. If you're 6'5 and 300 lbs, you don't need a gun. For the rest of us, that's not an option.[/QUOTE]
Same thing with a gun. Odds are, when a gun becomes involved in anyone's possession, your chances of being severely injured or killed will skyrocket.
Maybe you're an exception, but to point a gun at a person is very difficult, let alone being able to pull the trigger. Odds are, the person attacking you would be much more comfortable in that situation.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE]
Or - we could encourage people to accept gays as being human beings just like anyone else, and in the end, neither the prejudice nor the retaliation will be necessary. Right?
[/QUOTE]
If the world worked that way, that would be lovely, but it's not going to happen. You can't force people not to be pricks, unless you execute them, but then we have a liberal backlash. [/QUOTE]
The world does work that way. Give it time.
Or - we could encourage people to accept gays as being human beings just like anyone else, and in the end, neither the prejudice nor the retaliation will be necessary. Right?
[/QUOTE]
If the world worked that way, that would be lovely, but it's not going to happen. You can't force people not to be pricks, unless you execute them, but then we have a liberal backlash. [/QUOTE]
The world does work that way. Give it time.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Bitch</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Its not that guns should be illegal, its that they should be less available.
and for FreddiesGhettoTrench, there are many ways to defend yourself without a gun or, without a weapon for that matter- but why cant you defend yourself with a screwdriver or car key?[/QUOTE]
You can if you have the strength to back it up. With either of those you can be overpowered. If you're 6'5 and 300 lbs, you don't need a gun. For the rest of us, that's not an option.[/QUOTE]
Same thing with a gun. Odds are, when a gun becomes involved in anyone's possession, your chances of being severely injured or killed will skyrocket.
Maybe you're an exception, but to point a gun at a person is very difficult, let alone being able to pull the trigger. Odds are, the person attacking you would be much more comfortable in that situation.[/QUOTE]
But, if you get decked with something like that, your chances of living are severley higher.
and for FreddiesGhettoTrench, there are many ways to defend yourself without a gun or, without a weapon for that matter- but why cant you defend yourself with a screwdriver or car key?[/QUOTE]
You can if you have the strength to back it up. With either of those you can be overpowered. If you're 6'5 and 300 lbs, you don't need a gun. For the rest of us, that's not an option.[/QUOTE]
Same thing with a gun. Odds are, when a gun becomes involved in anyone's possession, your chances of being severely injured or killed will skyrocket.
Maybe you're an exception, but to point a gun at a person is very difficult, let alone being able to pull the trigger. Odds are, the person attacking you would be much more comfortable in that situation.[/QUOTE]
But, if you get decked with something like that, your chances of living are severley higher.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Bitch</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Bitch</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Its not that guns should be illegal, its that they should be less available.
and for FreddiesGhettoTrench, there are many ways to defend yourself without a gun or, without a weapon for that matter- but why cant you defend yourself with a screwdriver or car key?[/QUOTE]
You can if you have the strength to back it up. With either of those you can be overpowered. If you're 6'5 and 300 lbs, you don't need a gun. For the rest of us, that's not an option.[/QUOTE]
Same thing with a gun. Odds are, when a gun becomes involved in anyone's possession, your chances of being severely injured or killed will skyrocket.
Maybe you're an exception, but to point a gun at a person is very difficult, let alone being able to pull the trigger. Odds are, the person attacking you would be much more comfortable in that situation.[/QUOTE]
But, if you get decked with something like that, your chances of living are severley higher. [/QUOTE]
I'm going to be honest - I have no idea what you're talking about. Why aren't you still in your corner?
and for FreddiesGhettoTrench, there are many ways to defend yourself without a gun or, without a weapon for that matter- but why cant you defend yourself with a screwdriver or car key?[/QUOTE]
You can if you have the strength to back it up. With either of those you can be overpowered. If you're 6'5 and 300 lbs, you don't need a gun. For the rest of us, that's not an option.[/QUOTE]
Same thing with a gun. Odds are, when a gun becomes involved in anyone's possession, your chances of being severely injured or killed will skyrocket.
Maybe you're an exception, but to point a gun at a person is very difficult, let alone being able to pull the trigger. Odds are, the person attacking you would be much more comfortable in that situation.[/QUOTE]
But, if you get decked with something like that, your chances of living are severley higher. [/QUOTE]
I'm going to be honest - I have no idea what you're talking about. Why aren't you still in your corner?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME].DeaconJohn. wrote: [/QUOTENAME]And we thought John Prescot was dangerous with his boxing antics....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4707354.stm[/QUOTE]
If a person can't tell the difference between a man and a bird, perhaps that person should get their eyes checked...and then when the doctor tells him how his eye sight has gotten worse, he should have his permit revoked.
Seriously
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4707354.stm[/QUOTE]
If a person can't tell the difference between a man and a bird, perhaps that person should get their eyes checked...and then when the doctor tells him how his eye sight has gotten worse, he should have his permit revoked.
Seriously
I doubt the accident occurred due to a misconception that a human was a bird. And even if it were that way, anyone who believes this problem to be an ocular problem really needs to have their brains checked.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Bitch</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Bitch</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Its not that guns should be illegal, its that they should be less available.
and for FreddiesGhettoTrench, there are many ways to defend yourself without a gun or, without a weapon for that matter- but why cant you defend yourself with a screwdriver or car key?[/QUOTE]
You can if you have the strength to back it up. With either of those you can be overpowered. If you're 6'5 and 300 lbs, you don't need a gun. For the rest of us, that's not an option.[/QUOTE]
Same thing with a gun. Odds are, when a gun becomes involved in anyone's possession, your chances of being severely injured or killed will skyrocket.
Maybe you're an exception, but to point a gun at a person is very difficult, let alone being able to pull the trigger. Odds are, the person attacking you would be much more comfortable in that situation.[/QUOTE]
But, if you get decked with something like that, your chances of living are severley higher. [/QUOTE]
I'm going to be honest - I have no idea what you're talking about. Why aren't you still in your corner?[/QUOTE]
You choose- Get knocked out with a screwdriver or get shot in the chest. One of those two has a future.
And you keep telling me to go to my corner, yet, do you ask if I know where it is?
and for FreddiesGhettoTrench, there are many ways to defend yourself without a gun or, without a weapon for that matter- but why cant you defend yourself with a screwdriver or car key?[/QUOTE]
You can if you have the strength to back it up. With either of those you can be overpowered. If you're 6'5 and 300 lbs, you don't need a gun. For the rest of us, that's not an option.[/QUOTE]
Same thing with a gun. Odds are, when a gun becomes involved in anyone's possession, your chances of being severely injured or killed will skyrocket.
Maybe you're an exception, but to point a gun at a person is very difficult, let alone being able to pull the trigger. Odds are, the person attacking you would be much more comfortable in that situation.[/QUOTE]
But, if you get decked with something like that, your chances of living are severley higher. [/QUOTE]
I'm going to be honest - I have no idea what you're talking about. Why aren't you still in your corner?[/QUOTE]
You choose- Get knocked out with a screwdriver or get shot in the chest. One of those two has a future.
And you keep telling me to go to my corner, yet, do you ask if I know where it is?
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