don't waste your time please, let's talk bout the music, the beatles are still the beatles, the who, zeppelin, deep purple without ritchie blackmore and john lord, genesis without peter gabriel, king crimson without greg lake or bill bufford, black sabbath without ozzy...
and continues... Pink Floyd without Barret and Waters... Rolling Stones without Mick Taylor and Brian Jones, it's all bout music, not about people, and i'm not sayin nothin against the all mighty mercury, when you have a creative motor you can't stop so easily, and if you have 20 years workin on it, you have the choice of still workin if somebody has left the band...
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you people complain too much
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zebonka12 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]"But I think you're going too far off track when you refer to Freddie as "merely their frontman", LOL. Technically, Freddie WAS merely 25% of Queen. Artistically, hmmm, what do we have?
1. Freddie came up with the name 'Queen'
2. Freddie designed the band's logo
3. Freddie wrote all the songs that set Queen apart from every other band
4. Freddie was almost exclusively responsible for the band's reputation as a superb live act.
5. Freddie was solely responsible for the band's reputable appearance at Live Aid
6. Freddie also happened to be the reason why Queen even formed at all
Hmmm, would you still say Freddie was just "merely their frontman"? I mean, you minus those attributes from Queen's history... and what do you have left? A lot less than 75%... "
Well no. See, the behind the scenes operation of it all... it really was a 4 way thing. We only got one side of the picture, which was this amazing double-sided personality that Freddie Mercury seemed to put across.
But they maintained that the actual running of the band (not the setting up stuff you mention in points 1 and 2) was largely an equal and democratic (if heavily argued, hehe) thing.
Let's take a look at point 3 : sorry, I don't agree with that. Save Me. Who Wants To Live Forever.
Point number 4 largely consists of their public image, which again was dominated by Freddie's on stage persona.
My point was that behind the scenes, it was 25% all around; at best, 30 for Freddie :D
And him 'merely' being a frontman doesn't diminish his big time role in the group, it just means that it was his job to be the focus, to appear to be the leader.
Coming back to this:
"Hmmm, would you still say Freddie was just "merely their frontman"?"
Yes, yes I would! He was a frontman who wrote songs, delivered bigtime performances that kicked arse, but let's not get ahead of ourselves - I wasn't talking about the image that the band put across, I was talking about the day-to-day running of things, the behind the scenes stuff that we didn't really see often.
I'd say you just misunderstood me. :D[/QUOTE]
Haha - You really say that Brian`s songs were more important for Queen than Freddie`s? So try again: Who wrote nearly all the songs that put Queen on the map - Freddie: BoRap - most legendary Queen song ever, voted song of the millenium and a two time number one single in the UK, We are the Champions - probably best known Queen song (4 in the US, 2 in the UK), Killer Queen (2 in the UK and their breakthru hit in the UK), Crazy Little Thing Called Love (1 in US, 2 in the UK), Don`t Stop Me Now (cult favorite nowadays), Somebody To Love (2 in the UK, 13 in the US), It`s A Hard Life, Seven Seas of Rhye (first UK top ten hit), etc. etc.. And how many top ten singles (in the UK where they were most famous) did Brian have from 1973-1986: 2!!!!! (We Will rock you and Save Me), Who Wants To Live Forever was the least successful single of AKOM and only was No. 24 in the UK - and you say Brian wrote many of their legendary songs. And surprise, surprise their biggest commercial single was written by the other guy who respected Freddie so much, that he called it a day when Freddie died - John Deacon (Another One Bites The Dust - No. 1 in the US in 1980, 4 million copies sold)
1. Freddie came up with the name 'Queen'
2. Freddie designed the band's logo
3. Freddie wrote all the songs that set Queen apart from every other band
4. Freddie was almost exclusively responsible for the band's reputation as a superb live act.
5. Freddie was solely responsible for the band's reputable appearance at Live Aid
6. Freddie also happened to be the reason why Queen even formed at all
Hmmm, would you still say Freddie was just "merely their frontman"? I mean, you minus those attributes from Queen's history... and what do you have left? A lot less than 75%... "
Well no. See, the behind the scenes operation of it all... it really was a 4 way thing. We only got one side of the picture, which was this amazing double-sided personality that Freddie Mercury seemed to put across.
But they maintained that the actual running of the band (not the setting up stuff you mention in points 1 and 2) was largely an equal and democratic (if heavily argued, hehe) thing.
Let's take a look at point 3 : sorry, I don't agree with that. Save Me. Who Wants To Live Forever.
Point number 4 largely consists of their public image, which again was dominated by Freddie's on stage persona.
My point was that behind the scenes, it was 25% all around; at best, 30 for Freddie :D
And him 'merely' being a frontman doesn't diminish his big time role in the group, it just means that it was his job to be the focus, to appear to be the leader.
Coming back to this:
"Hmmm, would you still say Freddie was just "merely their frontman"?"
Yes, yes I would! He was a frontman who wrote songs, delivered bigtime performances that kicked arse, but let's not get ahead of ourselves - I wasn't talking about the image that the band put across, I was talking about the day-to-day running of things, the behind the scenes stuff that we didn't really see often.
I'd say you just misunderstood me. :D[/QUOTE]
Haha - You really say that Brian`s songs were more important for Queen than Freddie`s? So try again: Who wrote nearly all the songs that put Queen on the map - Freddie: BoRap - most legendary Queen song ever, voted song of the millenium and a two time number one single in the UK, We are the Champions - probably best known Queen song (4 in the US, 2 in the UK), Killer Queen (2 in the UK and their breakthru hit in the UK), Crazy Little Thing Called Love (1 in US, 2 in the UK), Don`t Stop Me Now (cult favorite nowadays), Somebody To Love (2 in the UK, 13 in the US), It`s A Hard Life, Seven Seas of Rhye (first UK top ten hit), etc. etc.. And how many top ten singles (in the UK where they were most famous) did Brian have from 1973-1986: 2!!!!! (We Will rock you and Save Me), Who Wants To Live Forever was the least successful single of AKOM and only was No. 24 in the UK - and you say Brian wrote many of their legendary songs. And surprise, surprise their biggest commercial single was written by the other guy who respected Freddie so much, that he called it a day when Freddie died - John Deacon (Another One Bites The Dust - No. 1 in the US in 1980, 4 million copies sold)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME] <font color=FF0099>Linda Of The Valley wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]it was electric7 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]you people complain too much [/QUOTE]
I know. It's annoying.
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Indeed. There is no point having constant argumentative discussions about it.
All 4 members made Queen what it was and still is....everyone had their contribution. Without even only one of them Queen wouldn't be Queen! Simple as that, dears!
I know. It's annoying.
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Indeed. There is no point having constant argumentative discussions about it.
All 4 members made Queen what it was and still is....everyone had their contribution. Without even only one of them Queen wouldn't be Queen! Simple as that, dears!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]The Flash Danny Project wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zebonka12 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I find it a ludicrous discussion.
Ok, point blank - this isn't Queen. Freddie's dead, John's retired, whatever.
But I believe you people have an almighty gall to say that two of the people that *made* Queen what it was (and don't tell me it was all Freddie, he was merely their frontman - it was a 4 piece) don't have the right to play the music?
Perhaps their choice of name is questionable, but it's not about the name is it? Who cares??? It's about the music, and you'll always have the old stuff to listen to.
Enjoy it, or shut the hell up.[/QUOTE]
Here here.
But I think you're going too far off track when you refer to Freddie as "merely their frontman", LOL. Technically, Freddie WAS merely 25% of Queen. Artistically, hmmm, what do we have?
1. Freddie came up with the name 'Queen'
2. Freddie designed the band's logo
3. Freddie wrote all the songs that set Queen apart from every other band
4. Freddie was almost exclusively responsible for the band's reputation as a superb live act.
5. Freddie was solely responsible for the band's reputable appearance at Live Aid
6. Freddie also happened to be the reason why Queen even formed at all
Hmmm, would you still say Freddie was just "merely their frontman"? I mean, you minus those attributes from Queen's history... and what do you have left? A lot less than 75%...[/QUOTE]
i agree
Ok, point blank - this isn't Queen. Freddie's dead, John's retired, whatever.
But I believe you people have an almighty gall to say that two of the people that *made* Queen what it was (and don't tell me it was all Freddie, he was merely their frontman - it was a 4 piece) don't have the right to play the music?
Perhaps their choice of name is questionable, but it's not about the name is it? Who cares??? It's about the music, and you'll always have the old stuff to listen to.
Enjoy it, or shut the hell up.[/QUOTE]
Here here.
But I think you're going too far off track when you refer to Freddie as "merely their frontman", LOL. Technically, Freddie WAS merely 25% of Queen. Artistically, hmmm, what do we have?
1. Freddie came up with the name 'Queen'
2. Freddie designed the band's logo
3. Freddie wrote all the songs that set Queen apart from every other band
4. Freddie was almost exclusively responsible for the band's reputation as a superb live act.
5. Freddie was solely responsible for the band's reputable appearance at Live Aid
6. Freddie also happened to be the reason why Queen even formed at all
Hmmm, would you still say Freddie was just "merely their frontman"? I mean, you minus those attributes from Queen's history... and what do you have left? A lot less than 75%...[/QUOTE]
i agree
Freddie's importance to the band is undeniable. He was the most visible member and probably the most creative musician in the band but he WAS NOT Queen. He said it himself "I'm not the leader of the band, just the lead singer". You might say he was being modest, but I think that the band was more like 4 equal members in the decision taking process for the group.
Freddie as a songwriter wrote some of the more complex and unconventional songs in the Queen catalog, yet live they used to play almost as many Brian May tracks in every tour. In the first couple of tours they actually played more Brian tracks than Freddie tracks and the tendence was pretty much the same. Usually, most of Freddie's songs would be mixed in the medley part of the concert and you can say most of them were hits, but not all of them were live favorites.
In the Hot Space tour they played more Brian tracks than Freddie's and you can see this in the Queen On Fire DVD, which is regarded as the best Queen Live DVD out by now. The best performances of the DVD are (arguably) Fat Bottomed Girls and Save Me, both Brian tracks.
Now let's talk about Freddie's compositions in the 80's and 90's. I know he had a great influence in some of Roger's and John's tracks (which became hits) but his output was not quite as magnificent as his 70's songs. Body Language? Man on the prowl? Pain is so close to pleasure? Delilah, for Christ's sake!
I think Brian was the most consistent writer of them all. You can say he didn't write many top 10 hits but think again. The show must go on was not a top 10 hit (charted at 16 in the UK), nor it was Too Much Love Will Kill You, or No-one But You, Who wants to live forever, Headlong, Hammer to fall, Fat Bottomed Girls! These are all great tracks, and are Queen Classics aswell.
And maybe you'll be surprised to know that QUEEN'S MOST COVERED SONG IS ACTUALLY WE WILL ROCK YOU(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cover_version). It's also one of the most known and played all over the world (just as Champions, I know).
For all these reasons, I don't think it's fair to diss Brian's (or Roger's or John's) contribution to the band's legacy just to say Freddie was way more important.
See ya,
Wiley
Freddie as a songwriter wrote some of the more complex and unconventional songs in the Queen catalog, yet live they used to play almost as many Brian May tracks in every tour. In the first couple of tours they actually played more Brian tracks than Freddie tracks and the tendence was pretty much the same. Usually, most of Freddie's songs would be mixed in the medley part of the concert and you can say most of them were hits, but not all of them were live favorites.
In the Hot Space tour they played more Brian tracks than Freddie's and you can see this in the Queen On Fire DVD, which is regarded as the best Queen Live DVD out by now. The best performances of the DVD are (arguably) Fat Bottomed Girls and Save Me, both Brian tracks.
Now let's talk about Freddie's compositions in the 80's and 90's. I know he had a great influence in some of Roger's and John's tracks (which became hits) but his output was not quite as magnificent as his 70's songs. Body Language? Man on the prowl? Pain is so close to pleasure? Delilah, for Christ's sake!
I think Brian was the most consistent writer of them all. You can say he didn't write many top 10 hits but think again. The show must go on was not a top 10 hit (charted at 16 in the UK), nor it was Too Much Love Will Kill You, or No-one But You, Who wants to live forever, Headlong, Hammer to fall, Fat Bottomed Girls! These are all great tracks, and are Queen Classics aswell.
And maybe you'll be surprised to know that QUEEN'S MOST COVERED SONG IS ACTUALLY WE WILL ROCK YOU(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cover_version). It's also one of the most known and played all over the world (just as Champions, I know).
For all these reasons, I don't think it's fair to diss Brian's (or Roger's or John's) contribution to the band's legacy just to say Freddie was way more important.
See ya,
Wiley
Brian and Roger are part of Queen...if they want to continue touring and singing fine.
Correct: WERE part of Queen ... since Queen is history since 1991.
During Freddie`s lifetime both Brian and Roger were probably the first to say, that Queen could only be a four-piece unit and it would make no sense to carry on without one of them. Brian in the 90s: "No, I don`t want to go out on the stage without Freddie and pretend it is 'Queen' "... wonder what has happened to all these statements.
And don`t say, they want to play live again. Both could do this together, alone, forming new band etc. - but without using Queen`s name.
During Freddie`s lifetime both Brian and Roger were probably the first to say, that Queen could only be a four-piece unit and it would make no sense to carry on without one of them. Brian in the 90s: "No, I don`t want to go out on the stage without Freddie and pretend it is 'Queen' "... wonder what has happened to all these statements.
And don`t say, they want to play live again. Both could do this together, alone, forming new band etc. - but without using Queen`s name.
It's very simple.
Queen = Freddie, John, Brian, Roger
No Freddie no John = No queen
Brian, Roger, Paul and the others= A great rock
concert Yes!
Queen? Nope.
Queen = Freddie, John, Brian, Roger
No Freddie no John = No queen
Brian, Roger, Paul and the others= A great rock
concert Yes!
Queen? Nope.
With "fans" like these, who needs enemies?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME] <font color=FF0099>Linda Of The Valley wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]it was electric7 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]you people complain too much [/QUOTE]
I know. It's annoying.
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Tell me about it....
I know. It's annoying.
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Tell me about it....
hang on i think...........
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this is still a boring subject get over it sados
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this is still a boring subject get over it sados
everybody in here!
Shut up and listen to music.
It'll be much more use than gettin' tired of all that talking.
thanx.
Shut up and listen to music.
It'll be much more use than gettin' tired of all that talking.
thanx.
yeah, these Queen is not Queen anymore threads are annoying.
"Haha - You really say that Brian`s songs were more important for Queen than Freddie`s?"
Uh... no. Not actually, you misread it (that is, if you can read at all). I said that Queen were (behind the scenes) an equal and 4 way entity, and that only on stage was Freddie their 'leader' so to speak.
"So try again: Who wrote nearly all the songs that put Queen on the map - Freddie: BoRap - most legendary Queen song ever, voted song of the millenium and a two time number one single in the UK, We are the Champions - probably best known Queen song (4 in the US, 2 in the UK), Killer Queen (2 in the UK and their breakthru hit in the UK), Crazy Little Thing Called Love (1 in US, 2 in the UK), Don`t Stop Me Now (cult favorite nowadays), Somebody To Love (2 in the UK, 13 in the US), It`s A Hard Life, Seven Seas of Rhye (first UK top ten hit), etc. etc.. And how many top ten singles (in the UK where they were most famous) did Brian have from 1973-1986: 2!!!!! (We Will rock you and Save Me), Who Wants To Live Forever was the least successful single of AKOM and only was No. 24 in the UK - and you say Brian wrote many of their legendary songs. And surprise, surprise their biggest commercial single was written by the other guy who respected Freddie so much, that he called it a day when Freddie died - John Deacon (Another One Bites The Dust - No. 1 in the US in 1980, 4 million copies sold)"
Stupid wanker... you missed a sizeable portion of Freddie's songs that were *superior* to these in every respect, save that they weren't singles and therefore didn't chart.
You think *sales* are going to win this argument? You've painted a very illuminating picture of what you know (or rather - DON'T know about music).
Queen = 4 people. Not one. Get over it you fool - why don't you just call yourself a Freddie Mercury fan??
Uh... no. Not actually, you misread it (that is, if you can read at all). I said that Queen were (behind the scenes) an equal and 4 way entity, and that only on stage was Freddie their 'leader' so to speak.
"So try again: Who wrote nearly all the songs that put Queen on the map - Freddie: BoRap - most legendary Queen song ever, voted song of the millenium and a two time number one single in the UK, We are the Champions - probably best known Queen song (4 in the US, 2 in the UK), Killer Queen (2 in the UK and their breakthru hit in the UK), Crazy Little Thing Called Love (1 in US, 2 in the UK), Don`t Stop Me Now (cult favorite nowadays), Somebody To Love (2 in the UK, 13 in the US), It`s A Hard Life, Seven Seas of Rhye (first UK top ten hit), etc. etc.. And how many top ten singles (in the UK where they were most famous) did Brian have from 1973-1986: 2!!!!! (We Will rock you and Save Me), Who Wants To Live Forever was the least successful single of AKOM and only was No. 24 in the UK - and you say Brian wrote many of their legendary songs. And surprise, surprise their biggest commercial single was written by the other guy who respected Freddie so much, that he called it a day when Freddie died - John Deacon (Another One Bites The Dust - No. 1 in the US in 1980, 4 million copies sold)"
Stupid wanker... you missed a sizeable portion of Freddie's songs that were *superior* to these in every respect, save that they weren't singles and therefore didn't chart.
You think *sales* are going to win this argument? You've painted a very illuminating picture of what you know (or rather - DON'T know about music).
Queen = 4 people. Not one. Get over it you fool - why don't you just call yourself a Freddie Mercury fan??