Queen should of stopped when John Deacon left

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]renzo wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Queen have lost all my respect,they are like a kareokee band and its like they are flogging a dead horse now.When John left they should of called it a day out of respect to him and freddie even the die hard fans must be biting a lip now with Pr on vocals and session musicans its a bit of a joke.Had Brian or roger left at the time instead of John do you think queen would of carried on,i dont think so.John was a great bass player and just got on with the job of playing music,He knew when it was over the day Freddie died.Why now are they ruining the great legacy that was queen,they should of started other bands instead of this sham,think about if other great bands like U2,The beatles continued without there 2 main men it would never be the same or half as good.Collaborations with Robbie williams,Five and PR has made this a disgrace and its like they are trying to bleed the queen name for all they money they can get.[/QUOTE]

Agreed they should be forced to retire say sorry to REAL Queen fans and become session musicians to Rod Stewart or Will Young.

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I so agree with that. When Freddie died and when John left that was the end to Queen.

Zebonka12, your not so bright. yea, record sales arn't everything but if it wasn't for "killer queen" and "bo rhap" they would have quit. you could add "seven sea of rye" also. Live aid was queens crowning performance when their popularity was waning, freddie was obviously the main reason for that great queen moment.

for me it's all about originality, what's more original tie your mother down or killer queen?...my point is if it wasn't for freddie they would have been just another pretty decent rock band instead of the original group queen became. let's face it, roger taylor wasn't the most original drummer and while brian had a unique guitar sound his songs were good but not all that original. Mr. mercury was pure original and creative like no other.

"Zebonka12, your not so bright."

It's likely that you will *never* know why this first sentence is so hilarious. But if you have an adult with you maybe they can explain the glaring error in it.

"yea, record sales arn't everything but if it wasn't for "killer queen" and "bo rhap" they would have quit."

But I wasn't TALKING about success or money or what kept the band going! I was talking about the band and it's music! Purely that and nothing else, none of the motives or history.
I KNOW all of that stuff, I've been listening to and reading about this band since I was a wee 4 year old. I merely chose to ignore it.

I mean look I totally get what you're talking about and I'd love to discuss it more - but you walked into a bear-trap of naivety when you called me 'not-so-bright' because there was simply no basis for it.

"you could add "seven sea of rye" also. Live aid was queens crowning performance when their popularity was waning, freddie was obviously the main reason for that great queen moment."

I agree. But it was one performance in 700, right?

no one stated freddie was 100% queen, but look at any documentry of the band and you will see the huge freddie section of compliments from other musicians. The others get a mention, but no where near what freddie gets. Actually, you could make a whole video of people praising freddie.

"but look at any documentry of the band and you will see the huge freddie section of compliments from other musicians. The others get a mention, but no where near what freddie gets. Actually, you could make a whole video of people praising freddie."

Yes. Let's listen to people who weren't in Queen for an accurate record of what happened.

Look, I'm just saying Freddie himself (along with the others) said that he was only the leader on stage, and that behind-the-scenes it was 4 equal ways.
That was the only point I was trying to make.

(By the way, I'm well aware I wasn't in Queen, referring to my first statement. I mean that if the members of Queen say it was so, then I'm more inclined to believe them than say, mike hunt).

mike hunt, you are absolutely correct though - the common perception is that Freddie was most of Queen. I never said that this wasn't the way it looked - what I was saying is that this was merely a superficial impression shared by most fans of good music.
He certainly "looked" like he ran the show. But really, ask any of them - it was a fair (though heavily argued) 4-way democracy.

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color="red">Peter Cetera</b> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zebonka12 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]"But I think you're going too far off track when you refer to Freddie as "merely their frontman", LOL. Technically, Freddie WAS merely 25% of Queen. Artistically, hmmm, what do we have?

1. Freddie came up with the name 'Queen'
2. Freddie designed the band's logo
3. Freddie wrote all the songs that set Queen apart from every other band
4. Freddie was almost exclusively responsible for the band's reputation as a superb live act.
5. Freddie was solely responsible for the band's reputable appearance at Live Aid
6. Freddie also happened to be the reason why Queen even formed at all

Hmmm, would you still say Freddie was just "merely their frontman"? I mean, you minus those attributes from Queen's history... and what do you have left? A lot less than 75%... "

Well no. See, the behind the scenes operation of it all... it really was a 4 way thing. We only got one side of the picture, which was this amazing double-sided personality that Freddie Mercury seemed to put across.
But they maintained that the actual running of the band (not the setting up stuff you mention in points 1 and 2) was largely an equal and democratic (if heavily argued, hehe) thing.

Let's take a look at point 3 : sorry, I don't agree with that. Save Me. Who Wants To Live Forever.

Point number 4 largely consists of their public image, which again was dominated by Freddie's on stage persona.
My point was that behind the scenes, it was 25% all around; at best, 30 for Freddie :D
And him 'merely' being a frontman doesn't diminish his big time role in the group, it just means that it was his job to be the focus, to appear to be the leader.

Coming back to this:

"Hmmm, would you still say Freddie was just "merely their frontman"?"

Yes, yes I would! He was a frontman who wrote songs, delivered bigtime performances that kicked arse, but let's not get ahead of ourselves - I wasn't talking about the image that the band put across, I was talking about the day-to-day running of things, the behind the scenes stuff that we didn't really see often.
I'd say you just misunderstood me. :D[/QUOTE]

Haha - You really say that Brian`s songs were more important for Queen than Freddie`s? So try again: Who wrote nearly all the songs that put Queen on the map - Freddie: BoRap - most legendary Queen song ever, voted song of the millenium and a two time number one single in the UK, We are the Champions - probably best known Queen song (4 in the US, 2 in the UK), Killer Queen (2 in the UK and their breakthru hit in the UK), Crazy Little Thing Called Love (1 in US, 2 in the UK), Don`t Stop Me Now (cult favorite nowadays), Somebody To Love (2 in the UK, 13 in the US), It`s A Hard Life, Seven Seas of Rhye (first UK top ten hit), etc. etc.. And how many top ten singles (in the UK where they were most famous) did Brian have from 1973-1986: 2!!!!! (We Will rock you and Save Me), Who Wants To Live Forever was the least successful single of AKOM and only was No. 24 in the UK - and you say Brian wrote many of their legendary songs. And surprise, surprise their biggest commercial single was written by the other guy who respected Freddie so much, that he called it a day when Freddie died - John Deacon (Another One Bites The Dust - No. 1 in the US in 1980, 4 million copies sold)[/QUOTE]

Break it down for you. Queen had three Mercury compositions that hit the US Top 10(BoRhap, WATC and CTLTCL). Deacon had one US Top 10(AOBTD). As for the rest, Mercury had some Top 20 US hits(KQ, StL, BL). Deacon also had a Top 20(YMBF). Taylor had one(Radio Ga Ga). Brian had a Top 10(WWRY which was released as a double a-side with WATC at Elektra's suggestion) and a Top 30(FBG). Freddie didn't join Brian and Roger until 1970. Smile metamorphosed into Queen.

when Deacon left! i think when Freddie died they should of stopped.

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"Zobonka12" I'm going by the words of john deacon, I believe he said "freddie was diplomatic" it was freddies decision that himself and brian would write three songs off "the game" album and roger and john would write two. He was the main driver for queen. I'm not saying the others didn't have a say, but when push came to shove it was freddie who was in charge. How many times did roger songs get turned down by freddie?

i agree without Freddie QUEEN is dead So they should have stopped when Freddie Mercury died and John Deacon left

""Zobonka12" I'm going by the words of john deacon, I believe he said "freddie was diplomatic" it was freddies decision that himself and brian would write three songs off "the game" album and roger and john would write two."

'Decision', or 'idea'? Maybe they all agreed with him?? :D

"He was the main driver for queen."

I must say that he would've been one heck of a powerful influence. The guy seemed to be a dynamo when he was on a roll. But I'm going on the words of not only John Deacon, but *all* members of the band when I say things like it was a 4-way thing. Who knows if, of the 4 parts, Freddie's was a teeny bit bigger, or a big bit bigger.... I dunno!

"I'm not saying the others didn't have a say, but when push came to shove it was freddie who was in charge. How many times did roger songs get turned down by freddie?"

I still don't see him as being "in charge". I more or less think they probably just agreed after it had been argued to a point.
I mean, it's not like Freddie was the only person who convinced other members of the band to change things.
We have Michael Kamen to thank for one crucial omission in Who Wants To Live Forever. Brian May wanted to (following the penultimate phrase) have it say "NOT MEEEE". Kamen said it was a bunk idea.

I'm not about to say that Michael Kamen was the leader of Queen because he had a sensible bit of advice! :D

I pretty much agree with you, do I
think it was a 25% equal?....not really! I do think freddie and brian had the most influence,
but they all had a part to play.