I only agree with burning the confederate flag because it represents more racism than heritage.
Imagine if Germans were still displaying swastikas and other Nazi symbols and in front of their homes.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Lisser wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Amen Dan. Why can't we all just be in the medium instead of well done or rare?
I'm hungry.[/QUOTE]
Because a medium-steak already tastes like leather? Rare is the only way, hun.
I'm hungry.[/QUOTE]
Because a medium-steak already tastes like leather? Rare is the only way, hun.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr.Jingles wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I only agree with burning the confederate flag because it represents more racism than heritage.
Imagine if Germans were still displaying swastikas and other Nazi symbols and in front of their homes.[/QUOTE]
You'll find plenty of those people, I dare say. Just not in Germany.
Imagine if Germans were still displaying swastikas and other Nazi symbols and in front of their homes.[/QUOTE]
You'll find plenty of those people, I dare say. Just not in Germany.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Musicman wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]64.396 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]i like how everywhere a person fucking goes there is always anti-american politic shit. Even on a fucking internet forum it doesnt stop! I say ya stop posting this crap and have you ignorant opinions about America government but take each person from America for who they are not theyre rich "leaders."
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fucking hippies[/QUOTE]
Actually, this thread has actually strayed from criticism of American citizens...this is strictly criticism of current governmental policy, and to be honest, it brings up a very valid, insightful, and factual point.
So far, all the "ignorant opinions" have been effectively ignored, disregarded, or (in this case) confuted in this thread. That's something we don't see too often.[/QUOTE]
yea see the thing is i read TQ first post and just thought i knew the natural flow of all these political threads so i jamp to conclusions. But i stilll stand by what i said- maybe not for this thread in particular but just generally.
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fucking hippies[/QUOTE]
Actually, this thread has actually strayed from criticism of American citizens...this is strictly criticism of current governmental policy, and to be honest, it brings up a very valid, insightful, and factual point.
So far, all the "ignorant opinions" have been effectively ignored, disregarded, or (in this case) confuted in this thread. That's something we don't see too often.[/QUOTE]
yea see the thing is i read TQ first post and just thought i knew the natural flow of all these political threads so i jamp to conclusions. But i stilll stand by what i said- maybe not for this thread in particular but just generally.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson">Thomas Quinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Lisser wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Amen Dan. Why can't we all just be in the medium instead of well done or rare?
I'm hungry.[/QUOTE]
Because a medium-steak already tastes like leather? Rare is the only way, hun.[/QUOTE]
I can't do blue, it's got to be red and hot for me...hun.
I'm hungry.[/QUOTE]
Because a medium-steak already tastes like leather? Rare is the only way, hun.[/QUOTE]
I can't do blue, it's got to be red and hot for me...hun.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]64.396 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Musicman wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]64.396 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]i like how everywhere a person fucking goes there is always anti-american politic shit. Even on a fucking internet forum it doesnt stop! I say ya stop posting this crap and have you ignorant opinions about America government but take each person from America for who they are not theyre rich "leaders."
sigh
fucking hippies[/QUOTE]
Actually, this thread has actually strayed from criticism of American citizens...this is strictly criticism of current governmental policy, and to be honest, it brings up a very valid, insightful, and factual point.
So far, all the "ignorant opinions" have been effectively ignored, disregarded, or (in this case) confuted in this thread. That's something we don't see too often.[/QUOTE]
yea see the thing is i read TQ first post and just thought i knew the natural flow of all these political threads so i jamp to conclusions. But i stilll stand by what i said- maybe not for this thread in particular but just generally.[/QUOTE]
The fact that you refer to us as "fucking hippies" not only proves you are not mentally capable of understanding the term 'hippie', but also indicates your intollerance, natural to nationalists. Then there is the fact that you refuse to accept criticism of the US, which is a totalitarian aim, reminiscent of Stalinism and fascism. In conclusion, your referring to our statements regarding the American government as being ignorant seems almost to be projection, as they are all of them founded on solid fact, whilst your 'patriotic' cries are clearly not.
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fucking hippies[/QUOTE]
Actually, this thread has actually strayed from criticism of American citizens...this is strictly criticism of current governmental policy, and to be honest, it brings up a very valid, insightful, and factual point.
So far, all the "ignorant opinions" have been effectively ignored, disregarded, or (in this case) confuted in this thread. That's something we don't see too often.[/QUOTE]
yea see the thing is i read TQ first post and just thought i knew the natural flow of all these political threads so i jamp to conclusions. But i stilll stand by what i said- maybe not for this thread in particular but just generally.[/QUOTE]
The fact that you refer to us as "fucking hippies" not only proves you are not mentally capable of understanding the term 'hippie', but also indicates your intollerance, natural to nationalists. Then there is the fact that you refuse to accept criticism of the US, which is a totalitarian aim, reminiscent of Stalinism and fascism. In conclusion, your referring to our statements regarding the American government as being ignorant seems almost to be projection, as they are all of them founded on solid fact, whilst your 'patriotic' cries are clearly not.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson">Thomas Quinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
...In conclusion, your referring to our statements regarding the American government as being ignorant seems almost to be projection, as they are all of them founded on solid fact, whilst your 'patriotic' cries are clearly not.[/QUOTE]
You know, it's like the Queen fan who sees Queen as perfection. You can love something without thinking it's perfect.
That's how I feel about my country. I do love it, and I wouldn't want to live anywhere else, but I disagree with just about everything the current administration says and does. In fact, I think the only thing good about this administration is that it's raised debate and (some level of) understanding of politics in this country. That's something too many Americans prefer to ignore. I just wish the debate was more evenly matched. Fact vs. fact, not fact vs. emotion.
...In conclusion, your referring to our statements regarding the American government as being ignorant seems almost to be projection, as they are all of them founded on solid fact, whilst your 'patriotic' cries are clearly not.[/QUOTE]
You know, it's like the Queen fan who sees Queen as perfection. You can love something without thinking it's perfect.
That's how I feel about my country. I do love it, and I wouldn't want to live anywhere else, but I disagree with just about everything the current administration says and does. In fact, I think the only thing good about this administration is that it's raised debate and (some level of) understanding of politics in this country. That's something too many Americans prefer to ignore. I just wish the debate was more evenly matched. Fact vs. fact, not fact vs. emotion.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson">Thomas Quinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]The Millionaire Waltz wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I still say we should burn a flag! ;)[/QUOTE]
Agreed, seeing as it is a POLITICAL statement, and not directed at Americans as an ethnic group.
Interesting how anyone defending the Bush-regime resorts to accusations of 'anti-Americanism' when it's just a political issue.[/QUOTE]
So this is the people our troops are fighting for?
You're the people that the Marshall Plan and Trumann doctrine went to help?
Gee, thanks
Agreed, seeing as it is a POLITICAL statement, and not directed at Americans as an ethnic group.
Interesting how anyone defending the Bush-regime resorts to accusations of 'anti-Americanism' when it's just a political issue.[/QUOTE]
So this is the people our troops are fighting for?
You're the people that the Marshall Plan and Trumann doctrine went to help?
Gee, thanks
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]64.396 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
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fucking hippies[/QUOTE]
When I think of hippies, I think of that hippie teacher from Beavis and Butthead...
...which then makes me think of that episode when he gets thrown out of the bus while singing Kumbaya and then he falls off a cliff.
FUCKIN' HILARIOUS!
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fucking hippies[/QUOTE]
When I think of hippies, I think of that hippie teacher from Beavis and Butthead...
...which then makes me think of that episode when he gets thrown out of the bus while singing Kumbaya and then he falls off a cliff.
FUCKIN' HILARIOUS!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr.Jingles wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]64.396 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
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fucking hippies[/QUOTE]
When I think of hippies, I think of that hippie teacher from Beavis and Butthead...
...which then makes me think of that episode when he gets thrown out of the bus while singing Kumbaya and then he falls off a cliff.
FUCKIN' HILARIOUS![/QUOTE]
In the immortal words of Eric Cartmann, "Its a bunch of Tree-Hugging-Hippie-Crap!"
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fucking hippies[/QUOTE]
When I think of hippies, I think of that hippie teacher from Beavis and Butthead...
...which then makes me think of that episode when he gets thrown out of the bus while singing Kumbaya and then he falls off a cliff.
FUCKIN' HILARIOUS![/QUOTE]
In the immortal words of Eric Cartmann, "Its a bunch of Tree-Hugging-Hippie-Crap!"
It's ironic that George HW Bush and George W Bush are free, since they are both war criminals. Check out Article 51 of the United Nations charter, and Section III part 6 of the Geneva Convention (International laws which the US signed, & follows when it suits the politicians' needs). On July 24, 1990, Saddam Hussein sent his Foreign Minister, Tariq Aziz, to meet with April Glaspie -- deputy ambassador to Joseph Wilson, husband of Valerie Plame, whom we all know about now because of the arrogance and ineptitude of the current American regime. Anyway, Aziz asked permission from the US to invade Kuwait -- Iraq claimed they had evidence that Kuwait violated Iraqi sovereignty (sp?) by drilling sideways into an oil field in Iraq. Bush 41 knew about the troop movements to the Iraq border, but why break up a war party when you've got the big guns?
Why is all of this important? Saddam Hussein was a CIA operative (just like Osama Bin Laden...he didn't get those Stinger missiles in a Kabul bazaar, ya know!)during the Cold War, because the USSR has always lusted after a warm-water port; the US wants to rule "pipeline-istan." Remember, Unocal (American oil) funded the Taliban. Hamid Karzai, Afghan PM, is a former Unocal exec. And Russia supports Iraq and Iran.
So Bush 43 essentially adopted the tactics of Saddam Hussein by invading Iraq. Sure, Hussein is no beauty contest winner; but, to his credit, he never violated US territory. From the atrocities at Abu Graib to the failure to secure vast caches of explosives, to Donnie Rumsfeld's shameful and disgraceful abandonment of established military tactics, the Iraq war is a mess, and Bush will reap as he sows.
But impeaching Bush (failure to uphold the Constitution, oath of office) is just a slap on the wrist. The real solution is to arrest the whole cabal-- from Condoleeza Rice to Karl Rove to Cheney and Bush --and convict them of war crimes in international court. Not that I think it's likely to happen. Given the severity of these crimes (some count as many as 120,000 Iraqi casualties, military and civilian, and compare that to what Saddam is rightly being tried for), the death penalty seems to be the only rational way to communicate to future politicians that wars like the current one in Iraq or "naked aggression," to liberate Bush 41's phrase, is unacceptable. Likewise, by refusing to recognize basic human rights at Guano (sic) Bay, Bush 43 has become as slave to tyranny. Stating "America is addicted to oil" during a State of the disUnion speech is simply code for "Mission Accomplished" to the watching rulers of the military-industrial complex. How much do you pay for gas? Need another tank to go to work, pay for another tank of gas, go home and watch the bread & circus on tv?
The roots of it all go back to the end of WWII when Churchill, Roosevelt, and Stalin met & decided to carve up the map. In 1954 the CIA created the Savak, the Iranian secret police, for the Shah of Pahlivi. Same m.o. as dictatorships in South America. Think for a moment about Fort Benning, GA, where the School of the Americas teaches all the dirty tricks. About twenty-five years later, the children of those tortured, maimed, and killed by the Savak rose up, and held a group of Americans hostage for 444 days. I can't condone the violence-- but the roots go deeply into the Oval Office. What can I say? I'm immensely proud of the professionalism and effectiveness of American troops in difficult situations-- can't ignore the suffering of 9/11 families either-- but there are so many significant issues otherwise (justice and peace for the Iraqi Shiites, Sunnis, and Kurdish people) to ignore what Bush 43 is doing in Guano (sic) Bay. If Bush was truly interested in democracy, policing Haiti would be much more feasible. It's twisted, but Saddam Hussein clearly did a better job than George W Bush at preventing civil unrest in Iraq.
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Why is all of this important? Saddam Hussein was a CIA operative (just like Osama Bin Laden...he didn't get those Stinger missiles in a Kabul bazaar, ya know!)during the Cold War, because the USSR has always lusted after a warm-water port; the US wants to rule "pipeline-istan." Remember, Unocal (American oil) funded the Taliban. Hamid Karzai, Afghan PM, is a former Unocal exec. And Russia supports Iraq and Iran.
So Bush 43 essentially adopted the tactics of Saddam Hussein by invading Iraq. Sure, Hussein is no beauty contest winner; but, to his credit, he never violated US territory. From the atrocities at Abu Graib to the failure to secure vast caches of explosives, to Donnie Rumsfeld's shameful and disgraceful abandonment of established military tactics, the Iraq war is a mess, and Bush will reap as he sows.
But impeaching Bush (failure to uphold the Constitution, oath of office) is just a slap on the wrist. The real solution is to arrest the whole cabal-- from Condoleeza Rice to Karl Rove to Cheney and Bush --and convict them of war crimes in international court. Not that I think it's likely to happen. Given the severity of these crimes (some count as many as 120,000 Iraqi casualties, military and civilian, and compare that to what Saddam is rightly being tried for), the death penalty seems to be the only rational way to communicate to future politicians that wars like the current one in Iraq or "naked aggression," to liberate Bush 41's phrase, is unacceptable. Likewise, by refusing to recognize basic human rights at Guano (sic) Bay, Bush 43 has become as slave to tyranny. Stating "America is addicted to oil" during a State of the disUnion speech is simply code for "Mission Accomplished" to the watching rulers of the military-industrial complex. How much do you pay for gas? Need another tank to go to work, pay for another tank of gas, go home and watch the bread & circus on tv?
The roots of it all go back to the end of WWII when Churchill, Roosevelt, and Stalin met & decided to carve up the map. In 1954 the CIA created the Savak, the Iranian secret police, for the Shah of Pahlivi. Same m.o. as dictatorships in South America. Think for a moment about Fort Benning, GA, where the School of the Americas teaches all the dirty tricks. About twenty-five years later, the children of those tortured, maimed, and killed by the Savak rose up, and held a group of Americans hostage for 444 days. I can't condone the violence-- but the roots go deeply into the Oval Office. What can I say? I'm immensely proud of the professionalism and effectiveness of American troops in difficult situations-- can't ignore the suffering of 9/11 families either-- but there are so many significant issues otherwise (justice and peace for the Iraqi Shiites, Sunnis, and Kurdish people) to ignore what Bush 43 is doing in Guano (sic) Bay. If Bush was truly interested in democracy, policing Haiti would be much more feasible. It's twisted, but Saddam Hussein clearly did a better job than George W Bush at preventing civil unrest in Iraq.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr.Jingles wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I only agree with burning the confederate flag because it represents more racism than heritage.
Imagine if Germans were still displaying swastikas and other Nazi symbols and in front of their homes.[/QUOTE]
That's complete bullshit.
Imagine if Germans were still displaying swastikas and other Nazi symbols and in front of their homes.[/QUOTE]
That's complete bullshit.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=green> M@tt wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr.Jingles wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I only agree with burning the confederate flag because it represents more racism than heritage.
Imagine if Germans were still displaying swastikas and other Nazi symbols and in front of their homes.[/QUOTE]
That's complete bullshit.[/QUOTE]
Historically speaking the Confederate flag was created to represent the States who opossed Lincoln and his proposal to ban slavery.
Just like Germany changed their flag to represent a totalitarian Nazi government.
Imagine if Germans were still displaying swastikas and other Nazi symbols and in front of their homes.[/QUOTE]
That's complete bullshit.[/QUOTE]
Historically speaking the Confederate flag was created to represent the States who opossed Lincoln and his proposal to ban slavery.
Just like Germany changed their flag to represent a totalitarian Nazi government.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Louvre wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson">Thomas Quinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]The Millionaire Waltz wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I still say we should burn a flag! ;)[/QUOTE]
Agreed, seeing as it is a POLITICAL statement, and not directed at Americans as an ethnic group.
Interesting how anyone defending the Bush-regime resorts to accusations of 'anti-Americanism' when it's just a political issue.[/QUOTE]
So this is the people our troops are fighting for?
You're the people that the Marshall Plan and Trumann doctrine went to help?
Gee, thanks[/QUOTE]
A) The main aim of the Marshall Plan was stimulating the US economy. Or did you happily disregard the fact that the money came with a clause stating that something like 80% of it had to be spent in the US?
B) The Truman doctrine was the containment of communism. That meant
a) preventing the elections promised in the Paris-treaty from taking place in Vietnam, leading to the war
b) forcing Cuba to seek help from the SU, something they didn't want to at first, but were forced to after the US installed a trading blockade
c) supporting the murder of a legally elected premier, namely Patrice Lumumba, which led to political instability and a civil war costing tens of thousands of lives and dragged on 'till the late '90s. In addition, UN Secretary-General Dag Hammerskjold, who went to investigate, was shot down in his plane by a WESTERN fighter plane (Belgian). The US helped the cover-up by having thousands of BLACK witnesses declared untrustworthy and a few WHITE ones who weren't even there were made 'credible'
Be ashamed, be very much ashamed, for even mentioning that!
Agreed, seeing as it is a POLITICAL statement, and not directed at Americans as an ethnic group.
Interesting how anyone defending the Bush-regime resorts to accusations of 'anti-Americanism' when it's just a political issue.[/QUOTE]
So this is the people our troops are fighting for?
You're the people that the Marshall Plan and Trumann doctrine went to help?
Gee, thanks[/QUOTE]
A) The main aim of the Marshall Plan was stimulating the US economy. Or did you happily disregard the fact that the money came with a clause stating that something like 80% of it had to be spent in the US?
B) The Truman doctrine was the containment of communism. That meant
a) preventing the elections promised in the Paris-treaty from taking place in Vietnam, leading to the war
b) forcing Cuba to seek help from the SU, something they didn't want to at first, but were forced to after the US installed a trading blockade
c) supporting the murder of a legally elected premier, namely Patrice Lumumba, which led to political instability and a civil war costing tens of thousands of lives and dragged on 'till the late '90s. In addition, UN Secretary-General Dag Hammerskjold, who went to investigate, was shot down in his plane by a WESTERN fighter plane (Belgian). The US helped the cover-up by having thousands of BLACK witnesses declared untrustworthy and a few WHITE ones who weren't even there were made 'credible'
Be ashamed, be very much ashamed, for even mentioning that!
The Confederate flag has been a huge issue here in S.C., of course. The thing that I find crazy is that once the flag finally got taken down from ATOP the State House, it was more prominently displayed on the grounds of the State House in front of the Confederate soldier monument..:-S
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