Queen Productions, the company behind most of Queen's business (at least the parts we get to see) (however not the tours that is Queen Touring Ltd)
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Togg wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Queen Productions, the company behind most of Queen's business (at least the parts we get to see) (however not the tours that is Queen Touring Ltd)[/QUOTE]
I did some work about it:
http://serryfunster.narod.ru/ltds.htm
I did some work about it:
http://serryfunster.narod.ru/ltds.htm
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Togg wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Queen Productions, the company behind most of Queen's business (at least the parts we get to see) (however not the tours that is Queen Touring Ltd)[/QUOTE]
Thanks...a little slow with my abbreviations... *embarrassed*
Thanks...a little slow with my abbreviations... *embarrassed*
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Serry... wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Togg wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Queen Productions, the company behind most of Queen's business (at least the parts we get to see) (however not the tours that is Queen Touring Ltd)[/QUOTE]
I did some work about it:
http://serryfunster.narod.ru/ltds.htm[/QUOTE]
You did some research there, Serry...cheers!
I did some work about it:
http://serryfunster.narod.ru/ltds.htm[/QUOTE]
You did some research there, Serry...cheers!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Togg wrote: [/QUOTENAME]That might suit the fans better, at least it would be first hand news and first call for tickets. However if it is run buy the same people that run QOL heaven help us...[/QUOTE]
and that is exactly why Jacky has it now
and still people refuse to understand that-- the FC would have closed down years ago if beach had his way
and that is exactly why Jacky has it now
and still people refuse to understand that-- the FC would have closed down years ago if beach had his way
Suppose that Jacky WOULD be given a proper place, with a little agrden, lounge, and a nice kitchen...then Phoiebe could make meals and sell them...together with the merchandise etc...for sale, and MORE fans coming in and re-register again....it will be a succesfull operating moneymaking little bizznizz i guess...because fans from all over the world will want to see such a new place and visit it...if celebs will walk in occasionally....and if there is state of the art equipment to watch rare footage and listen to rare recordings in a lounge kind of place....then it will be perfect!!! And it is also something that will give something EXTRA in the hearts of the people too, if they would make this happen....they would much loved and appreciated...and that woulkd make the fanclub grow bigger again too....they shouldn't make a point of it...they should simply make it happen!
Further to the comments about Jim Beach above;
Which is why Brian and Roger will not bail out the fan club, they have no reason to, now of course if they get bombarded with emails from fans they might think differently, however I can't see that happening most people in the fan club will not no it's going till it's gone.
Having said that we are all talking as if it IS going, it's NOT it's just moving to Jackys house and one member of staff is leaving, well these things happen, and without sounding too harsh, that's business sometimes they have to downsize. If she is smart she will have a complete re-think about how she runs it and there would be no reason why it can't continue for many years.
If she keeps going the way she is it will far by the wayside within two years I suspect. She has to offer more to members if she wants to keep them at that fee level, people will not pay for 3 mags a year that are out of date, and a website that is never up-dated with anything new and now forum.
If she was smart she could have charged a small fee for signing up onto the fan club forum, however that would have only worked if she ran it as the main business and moved on from the mags.
Which is why Brian and Roger will not bail out the fan club, they have no reason to, now of course if they get bombarded with emails from fans they might think differently, however I can't see that happening most people in the fan club will not no it's going till it's gone.
Having said that we are all talking as if it IS going, it's NOT it's just moving to Jackys house and one member of staff is leaving, well these things happen, and without sounding too harsh, that's business sometimes they have to downsize. If she is smart she will have a complete re-think about how she runs it and there would be no reason why it can't continue for many years.
If she keeps going the way she is it will far by the wayside within two years I suspect. She has to offer more to members if she wants to keep them at that fee level, people will not pay for 3 mags a year that are out of date, and a website that is never up-dated with anything new and now forum.
If she was smart she could have charged a small fee for signing up onto the fan club forum, however that would have only worked if she ran it as the main business and moved on from the mags.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]bas asselbergs wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Suppose that Jacky WOULD be given a proper place, with a little agrden, lounge, and a nice kitchen...then Phoiebe could make meals and sell them...together with the merchandise etc...for sale, and MORE fans coming in and re-register again....it will be a succesfull operating moneymaking little bizznizz i guess...because fans from all over the world will want to see such a new place and visit it...if celebs will walk in occasionally....and if there is state of the art equipment to watch rare footage and listen to rare recordings in a lounge kind of place....then it will be perfect!!! And it is also something that will give something EXTRA in the hearts of the people too, if they would make this happen....they would much loved and appreciated...and that woulkd make the fanclub grow bigger again too....they shouldn't make a point of it...they should simply make it happen![/QUOTE]
I don't know what you think is going to happen, but I can tell you no one is going to give her a little place with a garden and state of the art equipment, not unless she will the lottery!
Get real here, she took responsibility for the business win or lose, she can't ask for a bail out now she has failed to keep it going.
If that's what she wants to do then all she needs to do is walk into her local bank with a business plan and apply for a loan, if it's a sound plan they will fund it for her, if it's not she will have to think again.
I don't know what you think is going to happen, but I can tell you no one is going to give her a little place with a garden and state of the art equipment, not unless she will the lottery!
Get real here, she took responsibility for the business win or lose, she can't ask for a bail out now she has failed to keep it going.
If that's what she wants to do then all she needs to do is walk into her local bank with a business plan and apply for a loan, if it's a sound plan they will fund it for her, if it's not she will have to think again.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Togg wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I don't agree, QP wanted to take the fan club in a different direction to the one Jacky wanted, in the end she pushed to become an independent business and took that risk.
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Source?
At the time it was either close down or become independent, according to Jacky. There was no indication that anything "Queen" would happen post Made In Heaven, and obviously solo albums would gradually tail off too.
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Source?
At the time it was either close down or become independent, according to Jacky. There was no indication that anything "Queen" would happen post Made In Heaven, and obviously solo albums would gradually tail off too.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Thanks wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
At the time it was either close down or become independent, according to Jacky. There was no indication that anything "Queen" would happen post Made In Heaven, and obviously solo albums would gradually tail off too.[/QUOTE]
Which leads me to believe that now that Brian and Roger are active again that QP wants control of the Fanclub again but not in its present form. Of course I know nothing and I am probably talking crap :-)
At the time it was either close down or become independent, according to Jacky. There was no indication that anything "Queen" would happen post Made In Heaven, and obviously solo albums would gradually tail off too.[/QUOTE]
Which leads me to believe that now that Brian and Roger are active again that QP wants control of the Fanclub again but not in its present form. Of course I know nothing and I am probably talking crap :-)
As i mentioned in a post on another thread, i think a new fanclub will emerge, internet based, and probably like a U2 model.
I don't if many bands still bother with the printed medium any more. I mentioned U2 - their fan club mag, Propaganda, was legendary, especially here in Ireland. Indeed a "best of" book was spawned from it. But I'm not sure if even they bother any more. U2.com - despite its ticket sales fiasco on the last tour - handles most of its fan material.
Lots of smaller bands still use publications, and fans themselves do produce newsletters - the death metallers are very good on this at a fan level. The Who's mag died a death at the hands of the internet.
The way in which information is disseminated is much changed - I was actually surprised to find that Queen's fan club did anything other than the Convention.
As an aside, as I write this...perhaps there's a wee market for a best of book here for Jacky...?
I don't if many bands still bother with the printed medium any more. I mentioned U2 - their fan club mag, Propaganda, was legendary, especially here in Ireland. Indeed a "best of" book was spawned from it. But I'm not sure if even they bother any more. U2.com - despite its ticket sales fiasco on the last tour - handles most of its fan material.
Lots of smaller bands still use publications, and fans themselves do produce newsletters - the death metallers are very good on this at a fan level. The Who's mag died a death at the hands of the internet.
The way in which information is disseminated is much changed - I was actually surprised to find that Queen's fan club did anything other than the Convention.
As an aside, as I write this...perhaps there's a wee market for a best of book here for Jacky...?
Jeez, if some of you guys feel so strongly and feel like the band should help, tell them yourselves, I dont you should beg people to join, thats just not going to work!! When the QFC became a private company, it was a gamble, which paid off for quite some time, but, well, all good things have an end. Sorry.
I don't know of ANY other fan club that has ever had premises to visit. Fan clubs are usually run by fans (from home) or by recod companies from offices.
I woudln't be surprised if QPL made QOL their official "fan forum" and started to charge for extra services.
The stuff Jackie has isn't on loan it's been given to her so if the FC closes Jackie will then have loads of rare stuff to sell on ebay and be a millionaire :)
Sometimes gambles pay off
I woudln't be surprised if QPL made QOL their official "fan forum" and started to charge for extra services.
The stuff Jackie has isn't on loan it's been given to her so if the FC closes Jackie will then have loads of rare stuff to sell on ebay and be a millionaire :)
Sometimes gambles pay off
i am so surprised by the cold-hearted responses so far...i had hoped to find warmer reactions, with compassion and positive ideas...of people saying : YES! ofcourse we'll go out and try to re-register old co-Queenfans we remember and help the fanclub grow, and give it a right to remain as we have known it for over 3 decades... But no, you lot seem to have no heart at all....very sad to recieve this negative response...maybe you aren't worthy of having a fanclub at all....if i were Jacky and read this, i'ld immediately stop with the whole thing, and ( like Val ) keep the honours to myself. If this is what she gets after 30 years of hard labour and helping many important charities (such as the Winged Fellowship, BBMDA, Aids Foundation, Mercury Trust, Childrens Hospitals etc...)with raising MILLIONS of pounds through the years, through all sorts of events where WE, the fans have had many opportunities to meet an see our heroes, then you lot, with your bizznizz-like, passionless and coldhearted reactions are really no longer deserving any of this ever again!!! No more birthdayparties, X-mas concerts, trips to Montreux, concerts, conventions, or a place to turn to for correct info and lovely merchandise etc.... i really ask you lot now : do you really think about the money only? No respect for ALL that has been achieved through the years? Do you think you're a "true fan" when you react like this? You should keep in mind, especially the ones saying they were there in the old days too: how many times did you need the fanclub then? How often have you begged for autographs and recieved them through Jacky and Val? How happy and proud were you back then to be a member? THIS IS NOT ABOUT MONEY, INTERNET, MAGS WITH OLD INFO, OR JACKY MAKING A SORT OF LIVING OUT OF HER WORK, THIS IS ABOUT THE LOVE , RESPECT , APPRECIATION, COMPASSION AND TRUE CARING FOR OUR FANCLUB THAT WE SHOULD BE SO PROUD OF TO HAVE!!! Jacky has ALWAYS cared for YOU, the fans. That is why she kept going through tough times and the loss of Freddie, the uncertainties that came when Queen stopped...AND YOU LOT LET HER DOWN LIKE THIS?...but LOOK at what she has managed to keep alive Through thick and thin, for better and for worse, we just had one of the very best conventions ever, with the 2 best Queen coverbands on stage ,Jim Jenkins , Ken testi , Jim Hutton, Phoebe , Johnny Garnham(1984) , Jamie Moses, Jef and Camille Simonet, etc etc etc...ABSOLUTLY NEEDLESS TO SAY, THAT THIS SHOULD NEVER, NEVER, NEVER EVER DISSAPPEAR !!!!! i hope to find more positive reactions after this little scribbling...and you negativists, look at yourselves in the mirror to, and ask yourself these questions: will the world ever be the same again without this beautiful fanclub and ALL it still does? Won't it give me an empty feeling if this institute were to disappear? Is there really nothing that I could do do prevent that from happening?
I repeat what I wrote elsewhere, I think a fanclub is 'carried' by the members and not by the 'idols' themselves
It is sad when a fanclub looses its right to excist (exsist, whatever, sorry for my language).
Queenproductions has QueenOnLine, and that's the main source of commerce, publishing and all for the Queen-crew, there is where the money is gained
If hard working (and even paid) people that run a fanclub after so many years have a reason to stop (no matter if it is accomodation, a force by Queenproductions or whatever), then that is something that we should respect
I think that a fanclub is an organisation of good willing supporters of a group (and the people), who invest lots of time in their passion, and that is a group, like here in Queen.
If there is no payment for the fanclub anymore, then look for alternatives. I think that the official Q fanclub lost a few years ago already the battle of survival.
There were chances enough in the past to join and act professional so I think no one can blame anyone yet for the new situation.
For true fans there is still the best place to be, Queenzone, the bulletinboard, the chatroom.
The Queen music is for years in the hands of commercial bandits, and that will not change. And we, the fans, we shall search and find ways to get the stuff. That is the most important thing to do
And well, sorry to bring it up again, I think that there are fanclubs over the world, in different countries, that sure will keep up the spirit and give us our 'needs'. The Dutch and German fanclub are good examples of that!
It is sad when a fanclub looses its right to excist (exsist, whatever, sorry for my language).
Queenproductions has QueenOnLine, and that's the main source of commerce, publishing and all for the Queen-crew, there is where the money is gained
If hard working (and even paid) people that run a fanclub after so many years have a reason to stop (no matter if it is accomodation, a force by Queenproductions or whatever), then that is something that we should respect
I think that a fanclub is an organisation of good willing supporters of a group (and the people), who invest lots of time in their passion, and that is a group, like here in Queen.
If there is no payment for the fanclub anymore, then look for alternatives. I think that the official Q fanclub lost a few years ago already the battle of survival.
There were chances enough in the past to join and act professional so I think no one can blame anyone yet for the new situation.
For true fans there is still the best place to be, Queenzone, the bulletinboard, the chatroom.
The Queen music is for years in the hands of commercial bandits, and that will not change. And we, the fans, we shall search and find ways to get the stuff. That is the most important thing to do
And well, sorry to bring it up again, I think that there are fanclubs over the world, in different countries, that sure will keep up the spirit and give us our 'needs'. The Dutch and German fanclub are good examples of that!