It's the same with Hot Space tour. From watching footage of Freddie singing at, lets say, Vienna. He sounded in much better condition.
Milton Keynes he sounded fab aswell... but later in the year after months of touring he sounded worse. For example around November in Japan and, as someone said, when singing Teo Torriate, his voice during the chorus really seemed tired out.
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I would say it's too overblown to say Freddie sounded shite at Wembley, but certainly, it wasn't his best sounding performance ever. Becoming a fun in june 1986 (celebrating 20th anniversary at june 7 :-) :-P) I unfortunately never had the chance to see Queen live :-( I also don't own any bootlegs, so i must base my opinion on the legal stuff. From the material I know, Milton Keynes absolutely sounds BRILL! The beginning of Somebody to love still sends shivers down my spine every time I play it! (" Are you ready? Huh, are you ready brothers and sisters?!? ")
Freddie was in absofuckinglutely topshape that day in june 1982. But I really must say it surprises me a lot that nobody here seems to know that at the time of the Wembley show of magic tour, Freddie suffered from serious throathproblems, and doctors advised him to cancel the shows. Freddie refused and insisted the shows to go on. So happened.
And a bad Freddie still sounds better than a good singer from a nowadays rockband I suppose :-D
Being a vocalist myself, Freddie is my God really. He's the reason I started singing and playing music in the first place, and I *tried* to imitate his voice.... MUST I say I did *not* succeed? Thank you. I have a high pitched voice, but doing a Freddie? uh-uh. No way dear, don't even try. Even Paul could not do a Freddie, and we all did see at the Mercury Tribute that even established vocalist couldn't do his vocal-lines.
All in all, I agree the Wembley shows were of lower voice quality yes, but still good.
But I like to discuss something else, and also on Freddie during the Magic-Tour. It seemed to me, that not his singing, but his MOVEMENTS were of " a lower quality " than earlier tours. He seemed more stiff to me in 1986. Sure the montage of the Wembley video helped to hide that, but still...I think that Fred's moving on stage was about ten years older than a year before during - let's say - Live Aid.
Any other person has a comment on that?
Cheers you all :-)
*Regards*
Pascal ( and webmaster, when the F*ck are you gonna place the coverversion of ABTD I sent you MONTHS ago on the stage of champions????????? :-S
Freddie was in absofuckinglutely topshape that day in june 1982. But I really must say it surprises me a lot that nobody here seems to know that at the time of the Wembley show of magic tour, Freddie suffered from serious throathproblems, and doctors advised him to cancel the shows. Freddie refused and insisted the shows to go on. So happened.
And a bad Freddie still sounds better than a good singer from a nowadays rockband I suppose :-D
Being a vocalist myself, Freddie is my God really. He's the reason I started singing and playing music in the first place, and I *tried* to imitate his voice.... MUST I say I did *not* succeed? Thank you. I have a high pitched voice, but doing a Freddie? uh-uh. No way dear, don't even try. Even Paul could not do a Freddie, and we all did see at the Mercury Tribute that even established vocalist couldn't do his vocal-lines.
All in all, I agree the Wembley shows were of lower voice quality yes, but still good.
But I like to discuss something else, and also on Freddie during the Magic-Tour. It seemed to me, that not his singing, but his MOVEMENTS were of " a lower quality " than earlier tours. He seemed more stiff to me in 1986. Sure the montage of the Wembley video helped to hide that, but still...I think that Fred's moving on stage was about ten years older than a year before during - let's say - Live Aid.
Any other person has a comment on that?
Cheers you all :-)
*Regards*
Pascal ( and webmaster, when the F*ck are you gonna place the coverversion of ABTD I sent you MONTHS ago on the stage of champions????????? :-S
the magic tour is their best in the 80’s.
LIVEAID is the top of the 80’s.
they were at their best in that performance.
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3rth mannheim
4th leiden
HOT SPACE tour is good too.
the works is a little less.
the game was better than the works tour.
LIVEAID is the top of the 80’s.
they were at their best in that performance.
second knebworth park
3rth mannheim
4th leiden
HOT SPACE tour is good too.
the works is a little less.
the game was better than the works tour.
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But I like to discuss something else, and also on Freddie during the Magic-Tour. It seemed to me, that not his singing, but his MOVEMENTS were of " a lower quality " than earlier tours. He seemed more stiff to me in 1986. Sure the montage of the Wembley video helped to hide that, but still...I think that Fred's moving on stage was about ten years older than a year before during - let's say - Live Aid.
Any other person has a comment on that?
Cheers you all :-)
Yes, a super point. Firstly, when we discuss Fred's movements on the Magic tour, we have to consider that the stage was significantly bigger than before so there was a lot more space to cover, giving the impression he didn't move as much. At Live Aid we had a 15 minute performance on s amllish stage so Fred could really put everything into that one moment. At Wembley there is the ened to conserve energy to get round the stage at critical points in the show such as Now I'm here where he does a massive run and Hammer To Fall.
Regarding actions such as air punches etc, Fred was a lot more powerful in'86. On every percussion thrust there would be a staccato head movement, arm punch etc. which looked stifer but more commanding than say in'82. One thing I did notice was that Fred wasn't on the floor playing air guitar as much and seemed tentative about thrusting at the bars at the wing sof the stage, like he did on FBG at Milton Keynes Bowl. He was 40 by now and I do sense the beginning of AIDS in the tentativeness there, but there is much more of a physical "presence" than ever before. You only need to see him on TYMD to know that power he had.
But I like to discuss something else, and also on Freddie during the Magic-Tour. It seemed to me, that not his singing, but his MOVEMENTS were of " a lower quality " than earlier tours. He seemed more stiff to me in 1986. Sure the montage of the Wembley video helped to hide that, but still...I think that Fred's moving on stage was about ten years older than a year before during - let's say - Live Aid.
Any other person has a comment on that?
Cheers you all :-)
Yes, a super point. Firstly, when we discuss Fred's movements on the Magic tour, we have to consider that the stage was significantly bigger than before so there was a lot more space to cover, giving the impression he didn't move as much. At Live Aid we had a 15 minute performance on s amllish stage so Fred could really put everything into that one moment. At Wembley there is the ened to conserve energy to get round the stage at critical points in the show such as Now I'm here where he does a massive run and Hammer To Fall.
Regarding actions such as air punches etc, Fred was a lot more powerful in'86. On every percussion thrust there would be a staccato head movement, arm punch etc. which looked stifer but more commanding than say in'82. One thing I did notice was that Fred wasn't on the floor playing air guitar as much and seemed tentative about thrusting at the bars at the wing sof the stage, like he did on FBG at Milton Keynes Bowl. He was 40 by now and I do sense the beginning of AIDS in the tentativeness there, but there is much more of a physical "presence" than ever before. You only need to see him on TYMD to know that power he had.
I think the only tour that can be considered as "less good" then the others would be The Works tour (1984). Freddie's voice wasn't that powerful (except for a few gigs). The last part of The Works tour in 1985 was already a lot better, just listen to Final Live In Japan, Freddie's voice was much better!
As far as I know, the Magic tour was really good.
As far as I know, the Magic tour was really good.
Live at Wembley 86 was the first time I had actually SEEN Queen perform, before that the only thing I owned was the Greatest Hits Platinum Collection and from that point of view, I was absolutely blown over by the power and range of Freddie and his energy on stage. I was fourteen and it says a lot about music today in that I was honestly completely unaware that it was even POSSIBLE to sing like that or give a physical performance like that. I had never seen or heard anything that came close and so to me, the first time I watched wembley, it sounded almost note-perfect in comparison to other music acts.
But once I began finding other performances and realising the change in Freddie's voice over the years, only then did I go back and find fault with his performance.
I think a lot of very knowledgeable Queen fans who know so much about the different performances forget that to a casual fan or a new fan, a performance like Freddie's at Wembley is perfect - only serious fans realise he can, in fact, do better vocally.
But once I began finding other performances and realising the change in Freddie's voice over the years, only then did I go back and find fault with his performance.
I think a lot of very knowledgeable Queen fans who know so much about the different performances forget that to a casual fan or a new fan, a performance like Freddie's at Wembley is perfect - only serious fans realise he can, in fact, do better vocally.
His voice in Live at Budapest was fantastic!!!!...Freddie's worst day vocally couldn't be touched by some of the vocalists we have now and that would be on their very best day!!!!...Peace!!!
Yeah live at Budapest was great, here's under-presure, also hitting the higher higher high part as well bang on:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=guyC7UtTPW4&search=queen%20live
http://youtube.com/watch?v=guyC7UtTPW4&search=queen%20live
Hi Gang.
I've been lurking for almost 2 years now, and finally decided to post. For what it's worth on this one, i think some of the cracking and such in Freddie's voice during the magic tour is due to the longer term effects of his smoking.
I am a professional voice actor, and during the times I smoked, after several years nodules developed that produced a similar result. I think that this is more obvious when you hear The Miracle and Innuendo albums, after he quit smoking, he regaind that brilliant smooth and powerfully subtle delivery and high notes.
I think the vocals on Innuendo are absolutely brilliant.
Just my 2 cents for what it's worth.
I've been lurking for almost 2 years now, and finally decided to post. For what it's worth on this one, i think some of the cracking and such in Freddie's voice during the magic tour is due to the longer term effects of his smoking.
I am a professional voice actor, and during the times I smoked, after several years nodules developed that produced a similar result. I think that this is more obvious when you hear The Miracle and Innuendo albums, after he quit smoking, he regaind that brilliant smooth and powerfully subtle delivery and high notes.
I think the vocals on Innuendo are absolutely brilliant.
Just my 2 cents for what it's worth.
People who are unhappy with Wembley... keep in mind that the official one has got some overdubs in it. Anyone else hear One Vision without 'em?
The Magic tour was probley Freddies best vocals for any tour i would think