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^ My thoughts exactly.
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i23/mayniac316/HPIM0054.jpg *Barf...*
See, personally, I think people like Scott want to see these things. But not because they don't like Brian. Reading a little more closely at his post I see the line, "...as lets be honest, Freddie to 99% of the world is Queen...". I would never think any one of them as Queen. Not even Freddie! We love Freddie, but don't lose perspective.

Now, these two quotes about freddie singing anything given to him and the vodka one. How in god's name do you see them as negative?? Talk about out of context!

1) The vodka quote - to me is about Freddie drinking to take pain away and allowing him to ignore it. Never heard the expression, drink your troubles away? Or where they show a guy in films drinking before getting a painful operation or procedure done...

2) The one about singing anything given to him - that relates directly to songs like SMGO and Mother Love. They were both collaborating and wanted to get as much done as possible. Hence the, give me anything and I'll sing it, line. Freddie wanted to keep working and they all banded together to get as much done as was humanly possible.


It's not a friggin' conspiracy folks. And yeah, Queen rocks is a Brian dominated album. But I could care less as the music is still the same. And hmm... don't we dislike compilations anyway? So why should it matter!?

Anyway, I find some of these kind of comments a little unsettling. The notion that Brian would big himself up over Freddie? Nah, I really think that's reaching... and for what? I really don't know.

Peace,
Adam.
bijou was written by brian may
the part wich freddie sings is "you and me", the lyric from a freddie song
the music from bijou is brian`s, the lirycs is freddie`s
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Queenslut wrote: [/QUOTENAME] I think that, deep down inside, Brian also suspects that, without Freddie, Queen probably would never have made it.[/QUOTE]

Brian does not speculate this, he flat out acknowledges it!!!

"BM: It's a very interesting question and I often think, you know, if it hadn't been for Freddie, where would I be? In probably a very different place. I would probably be an astronomer or something. Freddie did have this way of kind of catching you up in his enthusiasm. And actually when we first formed the band, me and Roger were pretty disillusioned about the Rock Business, you know."

Go to bm.com and its part three of that cynthia fox interview.

I dont think, that in Brian's eyes, he is putting Freddie down in his last years in terms of song writing, I htink Brian is trying to show that even through Freddie having this pretty much crippling disease, he was so dedicated to his music and very much wanting to complete as many songs as he can, which is probably why Freddie was the primary writer on so many of the songs on the last two albums. Brian saying things like "he would just down a couple of vodkas and prop himself up on this desk like this, and forget about his pain for a while and sing unbelievably, force things out of his body that were quite superhuman" ( http://youtube.com/watch?v=o44p74jq_u0&search=Freddie%20AIDS ) is his way of acknowledging that Freddie was doing this, and doing it great, thorugh his pain. Which I think is amazing, and Freddie should be etternally commended for it.
Even if Freddie wrote 6 or so song, why does that say the quote Brian said is untrue. Freddie knew he didn't have much time left, so he asked the other guys to work as hard as possible. I'm sure Freddie lived longer than he thought, so he was able to write more songs than he first thought he would.
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I honestly don't think that Brian would say something like that or mean to say something in such a bad way.
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Guys,

I am not one of those "Freddie only" fans...nor do I think of the other 4 members as Freddie's back up band.

Queen, as in the 4 of them, were one of the greatest bands on the planet...seperate, they were average at best.

There is no doubt in the world that Brian May is a undeniably talented musician. I am a pretty advanced guitarist myself, trust me, I can appreciate the talent of Brian May.

Ignore my user name "Scott_Mercury"... it just as easy could have been Deacon, Taylor, or May.

Brian at times has said nice things about Freddie, and yes, Brian has said on a number of occassions, as Roger has.... there would have been no Queen without Freddie. Smile would have been some long forgotton band that only a handful of people in the area where they played would have even remembered.

Remember my topic that I started... it focuses on opinions Brian has given on how he remembers the Innuendo time frame.

As Sebastian said "Brian speaks of Freddie like he was a disabled twat who couldn't write a thing"

When Fred first died, Brian and Roger spoke as though it was their band that they allowed Freddie to be the singer in, and talked as though all the songs were theirs...

Later, maybe after they remembered who wrote:
Bo Rhap, Killer Queen, Bicycle Race, Don't Stop me now, Crazy Little thing called love, Somebody to Love, Good Old Fashion Lover Boy, Play The Game, Seven Seas Of Rhye, Liar, In The Lap of The Gods, March Of the Black Queen, Don't Try So Hard, We are the Champions, Under Pressure, Innuendo, It's a hard life, The Miracle, I'm Going Slightly Mad, Princess of the Universe, Death on two legs, Love Of My Life, You Take My Breath Away, Jealousy, Nevermore...the list goes on...

They later quit the "Freddie sang in our band" crap, and sort of said...well, there at the end Freddie said "bring me anything and I'll sing it."

If Freddie would have waited for the others to bring him songs to sing, that would make for a short recording session, as he could probably knock down their 3 songs in a few days.

This whole thread is about one thing....I feel Brian and to some degree Roger, but especially Brian, downgrade what musical powerhouse Freddie was, while just months away from death.

I have no problem with the 3 surviving members taking their turn in the spotlight, they deserve it.... but I feel Freddie has not gotten proper writing credit on the Miracle and Innuendo.
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> In my mind, Brian's quotes do not preclude the possibility of Freddie being *both* the primary songwriter and an enthusiastic guy who said 'just give me shit I'll sing it'.

Very true.

> For instance, he has even tried to downplay "Bohemian Rhapsody".

In scores of interviews where he mentions the song, not once I've seen him putting it down. Something I do agree with him at is that, marvellous as it is, Bo Rhap is not the only masterpiece in Queen. I wish (and I'm sure that's his point in such quotes) the public eye could be aware of things like White Queen, '39, Teo Torriatte ... all of them extraordinary. Or (imo) You And I, Modern Times RnR, My Life Has Been Saved, Drowse, Lily Of The Valley ...

> He'll downplay Bo Rhap, then go on to rave about how awesome "39" is....

'39 is awesome indeed. The best Queen song imo.

> He'll say he was suprised that "Don't Stop me now" is rated so high among the fans...

Roger said he was surprised Seven Seas was a hit (although he liked it), and considered Keep Yourself to be much more accesible. Does that mean too that Roger hated Freddie?

> Brian has said on no less then 10 occasions about Freddie's pain and continiously drinking vodka during the Innuendo sessions.

Having some vodka before nailing the hit parts of Show Must Go On is completely different to be "continiously [sic] drinking vodka during the Innuendo sessions".

> Brian goes on to boast about how he wrote all of Innuendo himself...

With the only probable exception of The Show Must Go On (which he credited to the band in '91 and now claims solely to himself), Brian's been quite fair when creditting: he said that one of his favourite songs is Don't Try So Hard and admitted Fred wrote it. He did the same a decade ago about All God's People.

> Brian seems to get very short when an interviewer wants to discuss the popularity of Bo Rhap.

Even Freddie was sometimes avoiding the subject to be brought for millionth time, and it doesn't mean he hated himself or his magnum opus.

> and NO ONE was leader of Queen, not brian, not freddie, roger or john...

That's what they said, and it showed a great amount of integrity especially when they knew that (at least in musical aspects) it was obviously Freddie.

> the music from bijou is brian`s, the lirycs is freddie`s

Brian himself said in his soapbox that both Freddie and himself worked on the guitar bits. Moreover the keyboard parts are Fred's so that means the chords over which they both created the melodies are Freddie's. Fred's the chief songwriter of 'Bijou' although Brian contributed as well.

> I'm sure Freddie lived longer than he thought, so he was able to write more songs than he first thought he would.

That's indeed a very good point.

> When Fred first died, Brian and Roger spoke as though it was their band that they allowed Freddie to be the singer in, and talked as though all the songs were theirs...

About the first point I disagree (although I hate their recent comments on Paul Rodgers era), about the second, they meant Show Must Go On and Days Of Our Lives. And I understand them: most people (including Elton John) thought Fred had written those songs because of the lyrics. It was unfair to take away their arguably best compositions, they wanted to show the world the two of them were able to come up with beautiful lyrics as those (and many others) without Freddie. And I agree; indeed, Mercury didn't have much to do with either (as opposed to Ga Ga or Magic). What many fans believed from then on (and it's the fandom's fault, not Brian's or Roger's) is that Fred wasn't able to write anymore, and therefore credit such obviously Mercury pieces like Innuendo or Was It All Worth It to Roger and Brian. But neither May nor Taylor ever claimed them to themselves, so it's not their fault.

> If Freddie would have waited for the others to bring him songs
John hated Hot Space. Frederick's favourite singer was not Paul Rodgers. Roger didn't compose 'Innuendo.' 'Bohemian Rhapsody' hasn't got 180 vocal overdubs.
Truly excellent post Seb!

Peace,
Adam.
Scott and Sebastian,
Although your points of view are kind of negative, you are both dead right. I also think that a lot of Queen fans are so in awe of all four Queen members that they are not able to see what you have pointed out so clearly. In fact, Brian is very insecure with regard to being compared to Freddie as a songwriter.

It would not surprise me if Brian did not wish that Freddie had not even written many of the "Queen's Greatest Hits" songs, such as "Bicycle Race", "Don't Stop Me Now", "Somebody to Love", "Good Old-Fashioned Lover Boy", "Killer Queen", "Play the Game" and
Seven Seas of Rhye". After all, when was the last time you remember any of these songs being included in a concert or "Queen" performance that Brian May was involved in? Furthermore, Brian himself must be sick to death of hearing "Fat Bottomed Girls", "We Will Rock You" and "Tie Your Mother Down". On the other hand, because "Bohemian Rhapsody", "We Are the Champions" and "Crazy Little Thing" are such massive hits, he knows that he has to include these in set lists, even if they are played next to some of his non-hits, such as "Las Palabras de Amor" or "Too Much Love Will Kill You".
Scott_Mercury you see what you want to see.

It's a high possibility that he gets 'short' when people mention Bohemian Rhapsody, because - well, look, it's the same problem Alec Guiness had. He had a catalogue of mighty work, yet the only thing people asked him about was "Star Wars".

Wouldn't that piss you off??? I'm sure it was a breath of fresh air when Courtney Murphy (some Idol contestant in Australia) rather than saying 'let's sing Bohemian Rhapsody', chose to sing something as relatively obscure as Sleeping On the Sidewalk.

You're taking quotes out of context, you are inventing your own scenario. You'd like it to be so dramatic, but maybe it isn't?

For the record, Freddie apparently loved vodka, so what if he took a little to numb the pain? And since Brian was saying Freddie could only work around an hour before becoming too ill... how drunk can you get in an hour anyway?

If you want to make stuff like this up, become an author. Otherwise, give the guy a break, he watched his colleague of 20 years turn into a skeleton.
I think more likely that when Brian makes reference to Freddie's condition in the stages of Innuendo, he's more likely trying to highlight the strength of will and character it must have taken him to still want to do an album even though he was dying, and was a shadow of his former self; most people would have buggered off somewhere and given up.
I dont think its fair for anyone to interpret Brian's comments in any other way, cos thats a deeply hurtful thing to suggest, and is unfair to Brian, who is more attempting to highlight how fantastic an acheivement Innuendo was for Freddie, than to suggest he was a cripple who just got pissed and sang.
Lets be reasonable.
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Again, read my posts...on a personal level, I think Brian and Freddie loved each other, and losing Freddie was like losing a brother to Brian.

No doubt.

Sebastian nailed it...

Brian's mistake is he leaves open questions that sounds as though he did more than he did...and that Freddie did less then he actually did.

Leading some (like me) to believe that Brian would probably preferred Fred not being such a dominant writer/frontman, as it may sometimes overshadow his own talents.

To all of you arguing with me, and thats ok...I love a good debate... but remember..

It most bands, Brian would have been "the man"... had it not been for Freddie, Brian would have been the equivelent in Queen what Pete Townsend was to The Who.

I myself believe Freddie is the reason why Brian is not thought of as equal to, nor is he a household name such as Townsend, Clapton, Hendrix, Joe Walsh, Ted Nugent, Stevie Ray Vaughan... etc..etc...

Had Freddie wrote at the rate that John and Roger did, then 85% of all Queen albums would have been Brian May songs....

No Freddie (or no Freddie writing) would mean that Brian would have been thought of as the absolute leader.

Brian May is not a household name. My mother could not tell you Queen's guitar players name... but she sure knows Freddie Mercury.

Brian is fully aware of all of this.

But Brian is a smart enough bloke to realize that without his meeting up with Freddie, the world more then likely would have never known him as a rock star....

Everyone says Queen is 4 equal members, but whether that band made it or not was not dependent upon John Deacon.

Roger Taylor?? I think not.

Brian? He's a good guitar player, but there is alot of good guitar players.

It took Freddie to make Queen...well, Queen.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Cwazy little thing wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I think more likely that when Brian makes reference to Freddie's condition in the stages of Innuendo, he's more likely trying to highlight the strength of will and character it must have taken him to still want to do an album even though he was dying, and was a shadow of his former self; most people would have buggered off somewhere and given up.
I dont think its fair for anyone to interpret Brian's comments in any other way, cos thats a deeply hurtful thing to suggest, and is unfair to Brian, who is more attempting to highlight how fantastic an acheivement Innuendo was for Freddie, than to suggest he was a cripple who just got pissed and sang.
Lets be reasonable.[/QUOTE]
Hit the nail right on the head, what I was trying to say in better words. I think brian was trying to hi-lite just how hard Freddie worked in those final years, and good on both Freddie and Brian.
when ya'll think of queen who stands out formost in your mind? freddie? also i have a collectors mag i bought in august 2005 it's guitar ledgends, it's totally about queen, and bri's interview at times downplays freddie not all but you can read a little between the lines, i loved queen since 1975, but i agree on some points that bri is maybe a little touchy on some things freddie has done.