Come on, we all sense the Sibling rivalry between Brian and Freddie. I think more on Brian's part than Freddie's but, obviously, I wasn't in the Queen inner circle. I guess that they all had egos and Brian sometimes feel he have to fight to let people know that Queen is more than Freddie because in all bands the singer usually gets the attention. Brian probably feels he have to play down Freddie's input just to hammer home that Queen wasn't just one guy. I never heard him say anything bad about Freddie though.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]kdj2hot wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Come on, we all sense the Sibling rivalry between Brian and Freddie. I think more on Brian's part than Freddie's but, obviously, I wasn't in the Queen inner circle. I guess that they all had egos and Brian sometimes feel he have to fight to let people know that Queen is more than Freddie because in all bands the singer usually gets the attention. Brian probably feels he have to play down Freddie's input just to hammer home that Queen wasn't just one guy. I never heard him say anything bad about Freddie though.[/QUOTE]
Exactly...
And given the same circumstance, not only would we all do the same thing, but we might not do it with as much tact as Brian does.
Brian, maybe in his older age...is just making it soooo obvious lately.
What about the video floating around here from a few months back where Brian got all pissed off because an interviewer wanted to show him some kids singing Bo Rhap in a school play...
Now I can here you all now... "Brian's seen that shit 1,000 before".....
But you know what, that song alone (which Brian hates no doubt) has made Brian millions of dollars....
Shit, I'll sit through a 30 second clip of just about anything if you pay me the equivelent of Brian's cut of Freddie's song.
However, if that interviewer wanted to show Brian footage of a all gay boys volleyball team working out to "Dancer".... Our Brian would have got super interested.. not in the boys (thats Freds department) but in the fact that someone was recognizing one of **his** songs.
I would easily say that Brian and Roger are easily the most insecure of the group.
Freddie was secure, he knew he was the real deal, an John, that dog is all business.... get in..and get the F out.
John stepped in, took over the accounting duties... wrote Spread Your Wings, AOBTD, I want to Break Free, You're My Best Friend... all smash hits, 3 of which are some of Queen's most successful songs...
John, not stupid, sees Freddie early as a big brother, and the reason people come to see the show.... Freddie dies... John is saddened on a personal level, on a business level he assumes the show is over as the main attraction is dead...he's out.
John is much, much, more accepting of the fact that Freddie was the star then the other 2 are.
Maybe because John can't sing??
Who knows.
Brian just seems like a jealous little brother to me, and for whtever reason, it got worse after Freddie died...
Maybe because death at a young age etched in stone Freddie's lengendary status to that of a Hendrix, Morrison, Joplin..etc..etc..
Exactly...
And given the same circumstance, not only would we all do the same thing, but we might not do it with as much tact as Brian does.
Brian, maybe in his older age...is just making it soooo obvious lately.
What about the video floating around here from a few months back where Brian got all pissed off because an interviewer wanted to show him some kids singing Bo Rhap in a school play...
Now I can here you all now... "Brian's seen that shit 1,000 before".....
But you know what, that song alone (which Brian hates no doubt) has made Brian millions of dollars....
Shit, I'll sit through a 30 second clip of just about anything if you pay me the equivelent of Brian's cut of Freddie's song.
However, if that interviewer wanted to show Brian footage of a all gay boys volleyball team working out to "Dancer".... Our Brian would have got super interested.. not in the boys (thats Freds department) but in the fact that someone was recognizing one of **his** songs.
I would easily say that Brian and Roger are easily the most insecure of the group.
Freddie was secure, he knew he was the real deal, an John, that dog is all business.... get in..and get the F out.
John stepped in, took over the accounting duties... wrote Spread Your Wings, AOBTD, I want to Break Free, You're My Best Friend... all smash hits, 3 of which are some of Queen's most successful songs...
John, not stupid, sees Freddie early as a big brother, and the reason people come to see the show.... Freddie dies... John is saddened on a personal level, on a business level he assumes the show is over as the main attraction is dead...he's out.
John is much, much, more accepting of the fact that Freddie was the star then the other 2 are.
Maybe because John can't sing??
Who knows.
Brian just seems like a jealous little brother to me, and for whtever reason, it got worse after Freddie died...
Maybe because death at a young age etched in stone Freddie's lengendary status to that of a Hendrix, Morrison, Joplin..etc..etc..
Spread Your Wings was far from being a smash hit
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I think brians popularity is increasing a bit, more people are mentioning brian may as a rock god these days. He still has a way to go, david lee roth even forgot his name on his radio show a few months back. I usually agree with scott mercury, but not this time. brian talks like he's truly grateful to freddie for all he's done for him, he commented at the rock honors "if bo rhap wasn't the huge hit it was, we probably would have broken up" so, I think brian knows if it wasn't for freddie songwriting queen never would have never made it.
Brian always was a big creative force in Queen and it is natural that he felt the competition with Freddie. This competition is what pushes them to come up with brilliant songs. It is also natural during 30 years of collaboration that his feelings about it changes. Sometimes you would be happy about, sometimes you would be very disappointed.
It seems to me you are trying to make this a John versus Paul, but I still only see a worldfamous and very proud member of Queen who celebrates the legacy of Freddie whenever he gets the chance. Ofcourse the songs he wrote himself mean more to him. If you write songs and play in a band you will understand.
It seems to me you are trying to make this a John versus Paul, but I still only see a worldfamous and very proud member of Queen who celebrates the legacy of Freddie whenever he gets the chance. Ofcourse the songs he wrote himself mean more to him. If you write songs and play in a band you will understand.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sebastian wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Spread Your Wings was far from being a smash hit[/QUOTE]
He said THREE of which.
But I haven't a clue if he edited it.
He said THREE of which.
But I haven't a clue if he edited it.
Sorry, the theory sounds like bullshit. I've read too much of what the guy says for any of this crap to ring true.
And as for the Bohemian Rhapsody video that guy wanted Brian to watch, yeah - good call. Never mind the lousy timing of the guy showing to him, or the trouble they had getting it to run, or the fact that it was probably dead boring anyway.
This thread is bumpkis!
And as for the Bohemian Rhapsody video that guy wanted Brian to watch, yeah - good call. Never mind the lousy timing of the guy showing to him, or the trouble they had getting it to run, or the fact that it was probably dead boring anyway.
This thread is bumpkis!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zebonka12 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Sorry, the theory sounds like bullshit. I've read too much of what the guy says for any of this crap to ring true.
This thread is bumpkis![/QUOTE]
I would agree if only I knew what bumpkis means...
This thread is bumpkis![/QUOTE]
I would agree if only I knew what bumpkis means...
"> If Freddie would have waited for the others to bring him songs to sing...
If Freddie had waited for the others to write, The Miracle would consist of Breakthru (without intro), Invisible Man, Scandal and an instrumental Rain Must Fall. Juicy! Innuendo would have consisted of Headlong, I Can't Live With You, Days Of Our Lives and Ride The Wild Wind, and Made In Heaven would have been instrumental versions of Mother Love and You Don't Fool Me."
Indeed!
Freddie was a very dedicated, enthousiastic and hard working musician. I don't think he could've enjoyed himself if he decided to be lazy and let all the others do the writing. This ofcourse doesn't mean that he was arrogant, or thought that his songs were better. But it means that he loved music, and that it was his life. Even if he was in terrible pain in the last months of his life he didn't want to stay in bed. He wanted to sing, so in the end, when he thought he didn't have time left to write songs he said to the rest to write songs and work there asses of so he could sing. But as we all know he lived longer than he expected (his doctor said he wouldn't live to see the release of The Miracle) so there was time to write songs (sometimes together with another member)
If Freddie had waited for the others to write, The Miracle would consist of Breakthru (without intro), Invisible Man, Scandal and an instrumental Rain Must Fall. Juicy! Innuendo would have consisted of Headlong, I Can't Live With You, Days Of Our Lives and Ride The Wild Wind, and Made In Heaven would have been instrumental versions of Mother Love and You Don't Fool Me."
Indeed!
Freddie was a very dedicated, enthousiastic and hard working musician. I don't think he could've enjoyed himself if he decided to be lazy and let all the others do the writing. This ofcourse doesn't mean that he was arrogant, or thought that his songs were better. But it means that he loved music, and that it was his life. Even if he was in terrible pain in the last months of his life he didn't want to stay in bed. He wanted to sing, so in the end, when he thought he didn't have time left to write songs he said to the rest to write songs and work there asses of so he could sing. But as we all know he lived longer than he expected (his doctor said he wouldn't live to see the release of The Miracle) so there was time to write songs (sometimes together with another member)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Scott_Mercury wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE]
What about the video floating around here from a few months back where Brian got all pissed off because an interviewer wanted to show him some kids singing Bo Rhap in a school play...[/QUOTE][/quote]
Dude, have you SEEN the video, the interview took like 10 minutes just to get the bloody thing working properly, and if you had to sit through "just anoter minute" a tounsand time, you would have gotten annoyed too!
I think Brian, no matter what his other feelings toward Freddie may be, is extremely grateful for having him in his life for those 20+ years.
What about the video floating around here from a few months back where Brian got all pissed off because an interviewer wanted to show him some kids singing Bo Rhap in a school play...[/QUOTE][/quote]
Dude, have you SEEN the video, the interview took like 10 minutes just to get the bloody thing working properly, and if you had to sit through "just anoter minute" a tounsand time, you would have gotten annoyed too!
I think Brian, no matter what his other feelings toward Freddie may be, is extremely grateful for having him in his life for those 20+ years.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Scott_Mercury wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Everyone says Queen is 4 equal members, but whether that band made it or not was not dependent upon John Deacon.
Roger Taylor?? I think not.
Brian? He's a good guitar player, but there is alot of good guitar players.
It took Freddie to make Queen...well, Queen.
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That's a bunch of shit.
It was the union of the 4 that made Queen...well, Queen.
Go listen to Mr. Bad Guy, dear.
Roger Taylor?? I think not.
Brian? He's a good guitar player, but there is alot of good guitar players.
It took Freddie to make Queen...well, Queen.
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That's a bunch of shit.
It was the union of the 4 that made Queen...well, Queen.
Go listen to Mr. Bad Guy, dear.
Freddie was not Queen.
Brian and Roger are capable of making music together that musically will sound like Queen. In many ways Brians guitar defines the Queen sound to me more than anything.
To suggest that Brian is just a "good" guitar player is absurd. Nobody could replace Brian. Yes there are others who are better technical guitarists but they lack the emotion that Brian puts into his playing.
Brian and Roger are capable of making music together that musically will sound like Queen. In many ways Brians guitar defines the Queen sound to me more than anything.
To suggest that Brian is just a "good" guitar player is absurd. Nobody could replace Brian. Yes there are others who are better technical guitarists but they lack the emotion that Brian puts into his playing.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zebonka12 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
And as for the Bohemian Rhapsody video that guy wanted Brian to watch, yeah - good call. Never mind the lousy timing of the guy showing to him, or the trouble they had getting it to run, or the fact that it was probably dead boring anyway.[/QUOTE]
See, there's another thing Scott has taken completely out of context. You're letting the uninformed read something thinking it was that straight and narrow. But at least I can just about remember the video and probably still have it.
Brian arrives for an interview and almost leaves at one point because rather than sit and listen to unoriginal questions, he could be doing the soundcheck for the gig that night AND still have time for a well deserved rest. But no, he decided to see if the interview would go anywhere interesting. It didn't and when they decided to show a video of no consequence, he decided, there are better things to be doing with this time!
So, once again, you've taken something completely out of context. I think I should go and find the video and repost it as this kind of thing is annoying. You're trying to link something and make it appear as if it's directly because of an insecurity. I'm starting to wonder about this...
Peace,
Adam.
And as for the Bohemian Rhapsody video that guy wanted Brian to watch, yeah - good call. Never mind the lousy timing of the guy showing to him, or the trouble they had getting it to run, or the fact that it was probably dead boring anyway.[/QUOTE]
See, there's another thing Scott has taken completely out of context. You're letting the uninformed read something thinking it was that straight and narrow. But at least I can just about remember the video and probably still have it.
Brian arrives for an interview and almost leaves at one point because rather than sit and listen to unoriginal questions, he could be doing the soundcheck for the gig that night AND still have time for a well deserved rest. But no, he decided to see if the interview would go anywhere interesting. It didn't and when they decided to show a video of no consequence, he decided, there are better things to be doing with this time!
So, once again, you've taken something completely out of context. I think I should go and find the video and repost it as this kind of thing is annoying. You're trying to link something and make it appear as if it's directly because of an insecurity. I'm starting to wonder about this...
Peace,
Adam.
> Brian always was a big creative force in Queen and it is natural that he felt the competition with Freddie.
To be fair, it was Freddie who first felt competition, in the pre-Queen days: the way Brian and Tim had come up with beautiful songs like Earth and Step On Me prompted Freddie into try to write more and more songs.
> It seems to me you are trying to make this a John versus Paul
It's totally different. Regarding The Beatles, some albums had John as the dominant songwriter, some others had Paul. It was quite balanced although at the end of the day John wrote some more. Regarding Queen, Freddie was always the dominant songwriter except for Races, Game and Magic (where he shared that honour with Brian, even though Fred wrote the central pieces of those albums), and except News Of The World where he was outnumbered by Brian. On the remaining ten albums (plus Made In Heaven which is a compilation more than a proper album) Freddie was the chief songwriter. So it's more an Axl vs Slash :)
> Ofcourse the songs he wrote himself mean more to him.
And that's not even that way: note how proud was Brian about The Miracle, It's A Hard Life or Love Of My Life.
> Brian and Roger are capable of making music together that musically will sound like Queen.
I totally disagree. Queen were the four of them, not Brian+Roger or Freddie+Roger or Freddie+John or Brian+John etc
Regarding Mr Bad Guy: Fred deliberately wanted it to sound outside Queen format. Even more with Barcelona. It doesn't mean he couldn't sound Queen-esque without the others. Same for Roger: Electric Fire was outside the band's sound because he wanted it that way (and it's still probably my favourite album of all-time together with Spice World). Brian wanted to keep the Queen sound for his solo albums, and so he did (only that the albums resulted imo better than anything Queen did), but of course Roger and Freddie could have done something similar as well.
> He said THREE of which.
Sorry, my mistake.
> This ofcourse doesn't mean that he was arrogant, or thought that his songs were better.
I agree. Note how most of the people who've worked with the band have commented that Fred was supportive of the others' songwriting as much as he was of his own.
According to Mary, he let himself go when he couldn't write music anymore. His life was his work.
To be fair, it was Freddie who first felt competition, in the pre-Queen days: the way Brian and Tim had come up with beautiful songs like Earth and Step On Me prompted Freddie into try to write more and more songs.
> It seems to me you are trying to make this a John versus Paul
It's totally different. Regarding The Beatles, some albums had John as the dominant songwriter, some others had Paul. It was quite balanced although at the end of the day John wrote some more. Regarding Queen, Freddie was always the dominant songwriter except for Races, Game and Magic (where he shared that honour with Brian, even though Fred wrote the central pieces of those albums), and except News Of The World where he was outnumbered by Brian. On the remaining ten albums (plus Made In Heaven which is a compilation more than a proper album) Freddie was the chief songwriter. So it's more an Axl vs Slash :)
> Ofcourse the songs he wrote himself mean more to him.
And that's not even that way: note how proud was Brian about The Miracle, It's A Hard Life or Love Of My Life.
> Brian and Roger are capable of making music together that musically will sound like Queen.
I totally disagree. Queen were the four of them, not Brian+Roger or Freddie+Roger or Freddie+John or Brian+John etc
Regarding Mr Bad Guy: Fred deliberately wanted it to sound outside Queen format. Even more with Barcelona. It doesn't mean he couldn't sound Queen-esque without the others. Same for Roger: Electric Fire was outside the band's sound because he wanted it that way (and it's still probably my favourite album of all-time together with Spice World). Brian wanted to keep the Queen sound for his solo albums, and so he did (only that the albums resulted imo better than anything Queen did), but of course Roger and Freddie could have done something similar as well.
> He said THREE of which.
Sorry, my mistake.
> This ofcourse doesn't mean that he was arrogant, or thought that his songs were better.
I agree. Note how most of the people who've worked with the band have commented that Fred was supportive of the others' songwriting as much as he was of his own.
According to Mary, he let himself go when he couldn't write music anymore. His life was his work.