Should be left up to the poster. Their risk. It's certainly no risk to Queenzone. No files are hosted here.. unless it's a torrent.
A simple disclaimer negating responsibility of linked material to the forum users covers QZ's ass and then they may also cooperate with authorities in handing over IP info if the need arises.
Couple years ago we shared whole official tracks to compare quality of remasters, shared the entire karaoke set, anything that wasn't easily available in a particular country was fair game.
I suppose the paranoia is good.. to a degree, but I think there are trolls who just hang around looking for something to bitch about.. like one or two tracks being removed from an inferior quality video because they were released elsewhere "officially"? LOL. That first version of Houston we had was a joke. Tracks removed.. geez.
The torrents are the only thing I'd keep my eye on.. everything else is just links posted by individuals who can take responsability for their own actions.
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Certainly there are some grey areas such as 'Soul Brother' or other no longer available items, however, that is not the issue.
The fact is people here are posting stuff that IS available, such as videos and tracks that you still can go and buy in the shops, so I think your trying to fudge the issue with nonsense here, sure there will be some things that slip through due to lack of awareness, but I think we are all aware of the majority of 'Official' stuff and that should be an end to it.
The powers that be i.e QP turn a blind eye to most of it, but the time will come when they will be forced to act to protect their interests, then we all lose out as the really interesting stuff will simply not be available.
Surely you people can see that if this continues, no company will allow a website to distribute there product for free.
The fact is people here are posting stuff that IS available, such as videos and tracks that you still can go and buy in the shops, so I think your trying to fudge the issue with nonsense here, sure there will be some things that slip through due to lack of awareness, but I think we are all aware of the majority of 'Official' stuff and that should be an end to it.
The powers that be i.e QP turn a blind eye to most of it, but the time will come when they will be forced to act to protect their interests, then we all lose out as the really interesting stuff will simply not be available.
Surely you people can see that if this continues, no company will allow a website to distribute there product for free.
"Should be left up to the poster. Their risk. It's certainly no risk to Queenzone. No files are hosted here.. unless it's a torrent.
A simple disclaimer negating responsibility of linked material to the forum users covers QZ's ass and then they may also cooperate with authorities in handing over IP info if the need arises".
Not true, yes it can be a first line of defense, but it is not true to say Queenzone becomes immune, if a company feels strongly enough they can still take action.
A simple disclaimer negating responsibility of linked material to the forum users covers QZ's ass and then they may also cooperate with authorities in handing over IP info if the need arises".
Not true, yes it can be a first line of defense, but it is not true to say Queenzone becomes immune, if a company feels strongly enough they can still take action.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]928 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Rip Van Winkle wrote: [/QUOTENAME]"Yet rest assured the pirates are out there because today there is plenty of gold (and platinum and diamonds) to be had. Today’s pirates operate not on the high seas but on the Internet, in illegal CD factories, distribution centers, and on the street. The pirate’s credo is still the same--why pay for it when it’s so easy to steal?"
One can not legitimately buy what never was legimitely for sale.
"Many do not understand the significant negative impact of piracy on the music industry. Though it would appear that record companies are still making their money and that artists are still getting rich, these impressions are mere fallacies. Each sale by a pirate represents a lost legitimate sale, thereby depriving not only the record company of profits, but also the artist, producer, songwriter, publisher, retailer, … and the list goes on."
Here, emphasis is on my money lost from pirate SALES. If an item is NEVER officially available for sale, then the music industry can not lose money for an item it NEVER sold.
Twelve years ago, it was legal to sell bootlegs. A search for "bootleg" on RIAA.com. Indicates that the RIAA is only enforcing SALES of bootlegs. They are going after the money: either sales of bootlegs, or illegal distribution of COPYRIGHTED product.
It is my view that QZ limits its legal risk by attempting to restrict downloads to bootleg material tha has never been released (and hence not copyrighted).
whether one agrees with QZ rules is immaterial. One should abide by the rules of the host (Queenzone). [/QUOTE]
The RIAA is trying to have this ammended as the ruling for the bootleg law is now not covered because copyright can only exist on fixed work.[/QUOTE]
Can you please provide a link for this 928? Thanks
One can not legitimately buy what never was legimitely for sale.
"Many do not understand the significant negative impact of piracy on the music industry. Though it would appear that record companies are still making their money and that artists are still getting rich, these impressions are mere fallacies. Each sale by a pirate represents a lost legitimate sale, thereby depriving not only the record company of profits, but also the artist, producer, songwriter, publisher, retailer, … and the list goes on."
Here, emphasis is on my money lost from pirate SALES. If an item is NEVER officially available for sale, then the music industry can not lose money for an item it NEVER sold.
Twelve years ago, it was legal to sell bootlegs. A search for "bootleg" on RIAA.com. Indicates that the RIAA is only enforcing SALES of bootlegs. They are going after the money: either sales of bootlegs, or illegal distribution of COPYRIGHTED product.
It is my view that QZ limits its legal risk by attempting to restrict downloads to bootleg material tha has never been released (and hence not copyrighted).
whether one agrees with QZ rules is immaterial. One should abide by the rules of the host (Queenzone). [/QUOTE]
The RIAA is trying to have this ammended as the ruling for the bootleg law is now not covered because copyright can only exist on fixed work.[/QUOTE]
Can you please provide a link for this 928? Thanks
go to www.torrentspy.com EVERYTHING they have on there is illegal. i do not see why our site could not have illegal things because you cant get in trouble if those sites dont
If it was ever on an officially released product, its "official" and can't be shared. Like it or not, that's the policy. If we don't like it we're free to go elsewhere. If someone wants to hear something badly enough, let them track down the official release, in-print or out-of-print, and buy it. That's what I did when I got into Queen, in the dark days before the internet was being used to widely devalue other people's intellectual property.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]turini wrote: [/QUOTENAME]go to www.torrentspy.com EVERYTHING they have on there is illegal. i do not see why our site could not have illegal things because you cant get in trouble if those sites dont[/QUOTE]
You're full of shit!
Fucking READ before you post and PLEASE go out to buy some braincells.
You're full of shit!
Fucking READ before you post and PLEASE go out to buy some braincells.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mikahl wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Should be left up to the poster. Their risk. It's certainly no risk to Queenzone. No files are hosted here.. unless it's a torrent.
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...and so are you.
Of course it IS a risk for Queenzone.
LINKS to donloads are just the same as torrents - does not make a difference. This is NOT an opinion - that's just the way it is.
And YES, QP feels very strongly about this. They have INDEED shut down websites in the past (for far less then offering official material for download!)
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...and so are you.
Of course it IS a risk for Queenzone.
LINKS to donloads are just the same as torrents - does not make a difference. This is NOT an opinion - that's just the way it is.
And YES, QP feels very strongly about this. They have INDEED shut down websites in the past (for far less then offering official material for download!)
Unbelievable...
We've had this policy in here for ages.
We have discussed this very same topic over and over again many many times and STILL people are nagging...
Imbecils.
You are a guest in somebody else's home - if he does not want you to smoke inside you DON'T! No use and no need in starting to argue. No need to debate that you CAN smoke in the neighbours appartment.
If you don't like it FUCKING GO AWAY AND GO TO THE NEIGHBOUR instead of nagging his head off all day long. It's not as if he is going to allow you to smoke in his home anyway!
Got enough braincells to understand that the 'home' in that text is Queenzone?
And that sharing official material is the smoking?
And that the neighbour is Soulseek or WHATEVER other website that DOES do illegal stuff that gives them a risk of being shut down?
We, the moderators of the board, the owner of the website, are all Queen fans and enthusiasts for unheard music and video. Do you REALY think that we would forbid people to post stuff in here just to annoy you? Or to be wankers? Or that we are overprotective? Why the fuck did we get this section of the board in here then??
We never should have created the sharing the music section. Downloads draw more morons then it does attract normal thinking people. It has brought Queenzone intellectually down the drain like nothing else before.
We've had this policy in here for ages.
We have discussed this very same topic over and over again many many times and STILL people are nagging...
Imbecils.
You are a guest in somebody else's home - if he does not want you to smoke inside you DON'T! No use and no need in starting to argue. No need to debate that you CAN smoke in the neighbours appartment.
If you don't like it FUCKING GO AWAY AND GO TO THE NEIGHBOUR instead of nagging his head off all day long. It's not as if he is going to allow you to smoke in his home anyway!
Got enough braincells to understand that the 'home' in that text is Queenzone?
And that sharing official material is the smoking?
And that the neighbour is Soulseek or WHATEVER other website that DOES do illegal stuff that gives them a risk of being shut down?
We, the moderators of the board, the owner of the website, are all Queen fans and enthusiasts for unheard music and video. Do you REALY think that we would forbid people to post stuff in here just to annoy you? Or to be wankers? Or that we are overprotective? Why the fuck did we get this section of the board in here then??
We never should have created the sharing the music section. Downloads draw more morons then it does attract normal thinking people. It has brought Queenzone intellectually down the drain like nothing else before.
I'm not for posting the links to official videos, BUT...how can QZ be held responsible for stuff that is uploaded on You Tube?
The way I see it, I had to buy all this stuff, why should the teenagers get it for free now? ;-) I don't care if the CD / video/ record IS used and Queen aren't making any money off it.
The way I see it, I had to buy all this stuff, why should the teenagers get it for free now? ;-) I don't care if the CD / video/ record IS used and Queen aren't making any money off it.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Erin wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I'm not for posting the links to official videos, BUT...how can QZ be held responsible for stuff that is uploaded on You Tube?[/QUOTE]
You can tell people in here that something is available on another website. This is a messageboard, right.
But there are holes in the law that make it possible for company's to shut us down when we publish a DIRECT LINK.
Maybe one could see it like this: I can point out where you can buy a car REEAALY cheap. That's not illegal. But if you buy a car that has been stolen, you are BY LAW equally guilty to the theft itself!
You can tell people in here that something is available on another website. This is a messageboard, right.
But there are holes in the law that make it possible for company's to shut us down when we publish a DIRECT LINK.
Maybe one could see it like this: I can point out where you can buy a car REEAALY cheap. That's not illegal. But if you buy a car that has been stolen, you are BY LAW equally guilty to the theft itself!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]jeroen wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Maybe one could see it like this: I can point out where you can buy a car REEAALY cheap. That's not illegal. But if you buy a car that has been stolen, you are BY LAW equally guilty to the theft itself![/QUOTE]
I see what you are saying. Still seems a tad harsh that QZ could stand a risk of being shut down from a link or two to You Tube, though. Links to actual downloads are way worse, imo.
Either way, I think people should just BUY the damn videos! ;-)
I see what you are saying. Still seems a tad harsh that QZ could stand a risk of being shut down from a link or two to You Tube, though. Links to actual downloads are way worse, imo.
Either way, I think people should just BUY the damn videos! ;-)
With the quality of posts at an all time low would QZ being shutdown be such a bad thing :-P
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]PieterMC wrote: [/QUOTENAME]With the quality of posts at an all time low would QZ being shutdown be such a bad thing :-P[/QUOTE]
Ouch. Well..at least the general section, eh?
(Never realized Freddie contacted so many teens from beyond the grave.) :-o
Ouch. Well..at least the general section, eh?
(Never realized Freddie contacted so many teens from beyond the grave.) :-o
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]turini wrote: [/QUOTENAME]go to www.torrentspy.com EVERYTHING they have on there is illegal. i do not see why our site could not have illegal things because you cant get in trouble if those sites dont[/QUOTE]
I read about someone who robbed a bank and got away with it - does that mean it is ok for me to go rob a bank ?
I read about someone who robbed a bank and got away with it - does that mean it is ok for me to go rob a bank ?