[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color=666600>Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="indigo"><b>friedchicken \m/ wrote: [/QUOTENAME]lastly: All this racism thingies date back to the Roman Empire when Catholics/Christians-- you know what I mean. :)[/QUOTE]
Racism dates back to as long ago as two different groups of people have known of each other's existence![/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]CMU HistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color=666600>Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="indigo"><b>friedchicken \m/ wrote: [/QUOTENAME]lastly: All this racism thingies date back to the Roman Empire when Catholics/Christians-- you know what I mean. :)[/QUOTE]
Racism dates back to as long ago as two different groups of people have known of each other's existence![/QUOTE]
Good one MusicMan!![/QUOTE]
oh right. it dates back to the egytians. but i don't remember learning that the australopithecines showed any racism...
Racism dates back to as long ago as two different groups of people have known of each other's existence![/QUOTE]
Good one MusicMan!![/QUOTE]
oh right. it dates back to the egytians. but i don't remember learning that the australopithecines showed any racism...
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="indigo"><b>friedchicken \m/ wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]CMU HistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color=666600>Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="indigo"><b>friedchicken \m/ wrote: [/QUOTENAME]lastly: All this racism thingies date back to the Roman Empire when Catholics/Christians-- you know what I mean. :)[/QUOTE]
Racism dates back to as long ago as two different groups of people have known of each other's existence![/QUOTE]
Good one MusicMan!![/QUOTE]
oh right. it dates back to the egytians. but i don't remember learning that the australopithecines showed any racism...[/QUOTE]
They couldn't...they were too busy surviving. It came down to once people didn't have to focus all of their effort on survival, then they got to wonderful ideas like greed, envy and racism.
:-)
Racism dates back to as long ago as two different groups of people have known of each other's existence![/QUOTE]
Good one MusicMan!![/QUOTE]
oh right. it dates back to the egytians. but i don't remember learning that the australopithecines showed any racism...[/QUOTE]
They couldn't...they were too busy surviving. It came down to once people didn't have to focus all of their effort on survival, then they got to wonderful ideas like greed, envy and racism.
:-)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]CMU HistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="indigo"><b>friedchicken \m/ wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]CMU HistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color=666600>Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="indigo"><b>friedchicken \m/ wrote: [/QUOTENAME]lastly: All this racism thingies date back to the Roman Empire when Catholics/Christians-- you know what I mean. :)[/QUOTE]
Racism dates back to as long ago as two different groups of people have known of each other's existence![/QUOTE]
Good one MusicMan!![/QUOTE]
oh right. it dates back to the egytians. but i don't remember learning that the australopithecines showed any racism...[/QUOTE]
They couldn't...they were too busy surviving. It came down to once people didn't have to focus all of their effort on survival, then they got to wonderful ideas like greed, envy and racism.
:-)[/QUOTE]
oh... i get it now... probably it started with the sumerians.. they're the first group in the world.
Racism dates back to as long ago as two different groups of people have known of each other's existence![/QUOTE]
Good one MusicMan!![/QUOTE]
oh right. it dates back to the egytians. but i don't remember learning that the australopithecines showed any racism...[/QUOTE]
They couldn't...they were too busy surviving. It came down to once people didn't have to focus all of their effort on survival, then they got to wonderful ideas like greed, envy and racism.
:-)[/QUOTE]
oh... i get it now... probably it started with the sumerians.. they're the first group in the world.
man, why be a racist when there are plenty of good reasons to hate people?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="indigo"><b>friedchicken \m/ wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
lastly: All this racism thingies date back to the Roman Empire when Catholics/Christians-- you know what I mean. :)[/QUOTE]
Way before that. The Romans were quite possibly the worst xenophobes that ever there were (not just Christians (there weren't any Catholics back then, they date back to 454 in its earliest form, and only in 1054 did they become a proto-Roman Catholic church, which differed from the (Eastern/Greek) Orthodox Church). The Romans hated everything that wasn't from Italia; it was so bad that the main reason why Octavian (later Emperor August, the first Roman Emperor) managed to win the support of the Roman people over his adversary Marc Anthony, was that he managed to convince them that Anthony was planning to change the capitol city of the empire from Rome to Alexandria).
However, racism, discrimination and xenophobia were around in all early civilizations, from 'enlightened' ones like the ancient Greeks (Europe's first civilization) to those traditionally viewed as barbaric, such as the Germanic Peoples, and from Europe to South America.
The one thing racism today proves, is that some people have had no benefit whatsoever of 3000 years of western culture, and roughly 6000 in the Middle East.
lastly: All this racism thingies date back to the Roman Empire when Catholics/Christians-- you know what I mean. :)[/QUOTE]
Way before that. The Romans were quite possibly the worst xenophobes that ever there were (not just Christians (there weren't any Catholics back then, they date back to 454 in its earliest form, and only in 1054 did they become a proto-Roman Catholic church, which differed from the (Eastern/Greek) Orthodox Church). The Romans hated everything that wasn't from Italia; it was so bad that the main reason why Octavian (later Emperor August, the first Roman Emperor) managed to win the support of the Roman people over his adversary Marc Anthony, was that he managed to convince them that Anthony was planning to change the capitol city of the empire from Rome to Alexandria).
However, racism, discrimination and xenophobia were around in all early civilizations, from 'enlightened' ones like the ancient Greeks (Europe's first civilization) to those traditionally viewed as barbaric, such as the Germanic Peoples, and from Europe to South America.
The one thing racism today proves, is that some people have had no benefit whatsoever of 3000 years of western culture, and roughly 6000 in the Middle East.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="indigo"><b>friedchicken \m/ wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
lastly: All this racism thingies date back to the Roman Empire when Catholics/Christians-- you know what I mean. :)[/QUOTE]
Way before that. The Romans were quite possibly the worst xenophobes that ever there were (not just Christians (there weren't any Catholics back then, they date back to 454 in its earliest form, and only in 1054 did they become a proto-Roman Catholic church, which differed from the (Eastern/Greek) Orthodox Church). The Romans hated everything that wasn't from Italia; it was so bad that the main reason why Octavian (later Emperor August, the first Roman Emperor) managed to win the support of the Roman people over his adversary Marc Anthony, was that he managed to convince them that Anthony was planning to change the capitol city of the empire from Rome to Alexandria).
However, racism, discrimination and xenophobia were around in all early civilizations, from 'enlightened' ones like the ancient Greeks (Europe's first civilization) to those traditionally viewed as barbaric, such as the Germanic Peoples, and from Europe to South America.
The one thing racism today proves, is that some people have had no benefit whatsoever of 3000 years of western culture, and roughly 6000 in the Middle East.[/QUOTE]
Excellent points....and all historically accurate I might add. (Welcome Back, Thomas)
lastly: All this racism thingies date back to the Roman Empire when Catholics/Christians-- you know what I mean. :)[/QUOTE]
Way before that. The Romans were quite possibly the worst xenophobes that ever there were (not just Christians (there weren't any Catholics back then, they date back to 454 in its earliest form, and only in 1054 did they become a proto-Roman Catholic church, which differed from the (Eastern/Greek) Orthodox Church). The Romans hated everything that wasn't from Italia; it was so bad that the main reason why Octavian (later Emperor August, the first Roman Emperor) managed to win the support of the Roman people over his adversary Marc Anthony, was that he managed to convince them that Anthony was planning to change the capitol city of the empire from Rome to Alexandria).
However, racism, discrimination and xenophobia were around in all early civilizations, from 'enlightened' ones like the ancient Greeks (Europe's first civilization) to those traditionally viewed as barbaric, such as the Germanic Peoples, and from Europe to South America.
The one thing racism today proves, is that some people have had no benefit whatsoever of 3000 years of western culture, and roughly 6000 in the Middle East.[/QUOTE]
Excellent points....and all historically accurate I might add. (Welcome Back, Thomas)
Thank you. I will be off again tomorrow though. My visits here will be rather infrequent the coming time, and probably never expected.
In a way, I'm like Death: everybody knows I'm coming, but no one knows when, and they aren't exactly eager for me to drop by either!
In a way, I'm like Death: everybody knows I'm coming, but no one knows when, and they aren't exactly eager for me to drop by either!
The Romans (and the ancient Greeks) were quite open with other religions than their... they borrowed a lot of gods from everywhere. THe problem with christianity was that it was too different and it was a possible danger...
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Bob The Shrek wrote: [/QUOTENAME]It's nice to see a debate without all the name calling - carry on.......[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Haruko Aozora wrote: [/QUOTENAME]The Romans (and the ancient Greeks) were quite open with other religions than their... they borrowed a lot of gods from everywhere. THe problem with christianity was that it was too different and it was a possible danger...[/QUOTE]
A) Neither actually adopted foreign deities into their own religion; they just ALLOWED other religions PROVIDING their practicioners would still comply to all the demands made by the state religion. So in fact, it would be something like the US allowing you to practice any religion you like, as long as you are a protestant as well.
B) The problem with Christianity was that it refused to accept other religions. That's why they clashed with the authorities. Judaism had the same thing, but since they did not attempt to convert others, they were left alone (by the Romans, at least).
A) Neither actually adopted foreign deities into their own religion; they just ALLOWED other religions PROVIDING their practicioners would still comply to all the demands made by the state religion. So in fact, it would be something like the US allowing you to practice any religion you like, as long as you are a protestant as well.
B) The problem with Christianity was that it refused to accept other religions. That's why they clashed with the authorities. Judaism had the same thing, but since they did not attempt to convert others, they were left alone (by the Romans, at least).
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="indigo"><b>friedchicken \m/ wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
lastly: All this racism thingies date back to the Roman Empire when Catholics/Christians-- you know what I mean. :)[/QUOTE]
Way before that. The Romans were quite possibly the worst xenophobes that ever there were (not just Christians (there weren't any Catholics back then, they date back to 454 in its earliest form, and only in 1054 did they become a proto-Roman Catholic church, which differed from the (Eastern/Greek) Orthodox Church). The Romans hated everything that wasn't from Italia; it was so bad that the main reason why Octavian (later Emperor August, the first Roman Emperor) managed to win the support of the Roman people over his adversary Marc Anthony, was that he managed to convince them that Anthony was planning to change the capitol city of the empire from Rome to Alexandria).
However, racism, discrimination and xenophobia were around in all early civilizations, from 'enlightened' ones like the ancient Greeks (Europe's first civilization) to those traditionally viewed as barbaric, such as the Germanic Peoples, and from Europe to South America.
The one thing racism today proves, is that some people have had no benefit whatsoever of 3000 years of western culture, and roughly 6000 in the Middle East.[/QUOTE]
thanks for clearing that up for me! :D
lastly: All this racism thingies date back to the Roman Empire when Catholics/Christians-- you know what I mean. :)[/QUOTE]
Way before that. The Romans were quite possibly the worst xenophobes that ever there were (not just Christians (there weren't any Catholics back then, they date back to 454 in its earliest form, and only in 1054 did they become a proto-Roman Catholic church, which differed from the (Eastern/Greek) Orthodox Church). The Romans hated everything that wasn't from Italia; it was so bad that the main reason why Octavian (later Emperor August, the first Roman Emperor) managed to win the support of the Roman people over his adversary Marc Anthony, was that he managed to convince them that Anthony was planning to change the capitol city of the empire from Rome to Alexandria).
However, racism, discrimination and xenophobia were around in all early civilizations, from 'enlightened' ones like the ancient Greeks (Europe's first civilization) to those traditionally viewed as barbaric, such as the Germanic Peoples, and from Europe to South America.
The one thing racism today proves, is that some people have had no benefit whatsoever of 3000 years of western culture, and roughly 6000 in the Middle East.[/QUOTE]
thanks for clearing that up for me! :D
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Haruko Aozora wrote: [/QUOTENAME]The Romans (and the ancient Greeks) were quite open with other religions than their... they borrowed a lot of gods from everywhere. THe problem with christianity was that it was too different and it was a possible danger...[/QUOTE]
A) Neither actually adopted foreign deities into their own religion; they just ALLOWED other religions PROVIDING their practicioners would still comply to all the demands made by the state religion. So in fact, it would be something like the US allowing you to practice any religion you like, as long as you are a protestant as well.
B) The problem with Christianity was that it refused to accept other religions. That's why they clashed with the authorities. Judaism had the same thing, but since they did not attempt to convert others, they were left alone (by the Romans, at least).[/QUOTE]
hm...
A) Well they officially adopted deities from the Greeks (Zeus & co), Egiptians (what about the myth of Isis which was very popular in Roman times). Oh, and the greeks, they adopted Dyonissos (who some of you might know as Bacchus - the Roman version), and many many others... Cybele... just check the history of the greek/roman gods and you'll see.
I agree with B)
A) Neither actually adopted foreign deities into their own religion; they just ALLOWED other religions PROVIDING their practicioners would still comply to all the demands made by the state religion. So in fact, it would be something like the US allowing you to practice any religion you like, as long as you are a protestant as well.
B) The problem with Christianity was that it refused to accept other religions. That's why they clashed with the authorities. Judaism had the same thing, but since they did not attempt to convert others, they were left alone (by the Romans, at least).[/QUOTE]
hm...
A) Well they officially adopted deities from the Greeks (Zeus & co), Egiptians (what about the myth of Isis which was very popular in Roman times). Oh, and the greeks, they adopted Dyonissos (who some of you might know as Bacchus - the Roman version), and many many others... Cybele... just check the history of the greek/roman gods and you'll see.
I agree with B)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Haruko Aozora wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Haruko Aozora wrote: [/QUOTENAME]The Romans (and the ancient Greeks) were quite open with other religions than their... they borrowed a lot of gods from everywhere. THe problem with christianity was that it was too different and it was a possible danger...[/QUOTE]
A) Neither actually adopted foreign deities into their own religion; they just ALLOWED other religions PROVIDING their practicioners would still comply to all the demands made by the state religion. So in fact, it would be something like the US allowing you to practice any religion you like, as long as you are a protestant as well.
B) The problem with Christianity was that it refused to accept other religions. That's why they clashed with the authorities. Judaism had the same thing, but since they did not attempt to convert others, they were left alone (by the Romans, at least).[/QUOTE]
hm...
A) Well they officially adopted deities from the Greeks (Zeus & co), Egiptians (what about the myth of Isis which was very popular in Roman times). Oh, and the greeks, they adopted Dyonissos (who some of you might know as Bacchus - the Roman version), and many many others... Cybele... just check the history of the greek/roman gods and you'll see.
I agree with B)[/QUOTE]
It doesn't seem, to me, at least, that a lot of the racism from the Romans had grounds in religion. I think it moreso stemmed from the grounds of, "We are so much better than everyone else because of our superior strength."
A) Neither actually adopted foreign deities into their own religion; they just ALLOWED other religions PROVIDING their practicioners would still comply to all the demands made by the state religion. So in fact, it would be something like the US allowing you to practice any religion you like, as long as you are a protestant as well.
B) The problem with Christianity was that it refused to accept other religions. That's why they clashed with the authorities. Judaism had the same thing, but since they did not attempt to convert others, they were left alone (by the Romans, at least).[/QUOTE]
hm...
A) Well they officially adopted deities from the Greeks (Zeus & co), Egiptians (what about the myth of Isis which was very popular in Roman times). Oh, and the greeks, they adopted Dyonissos (who some of you might know as Bacchus - the Roman version), and many many others... Cybele... just check the history of the greek/roman gods and you'll see.
I agree with B)[/QUOTE]
It doesn't seem, to me, at least, that a lot of the racism from the Romans had grounds in religion. I think it moreso stemmed from the grounds of, "We are so much better than everyone else because of our superior strength."
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr.Jingles wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]magicalfreddiemercury wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr.Jingles wrote: [/QUOTENAME]It's not a matter of religion... it's matter of tolerance and acceptance. [/QUOTE]
It's a matter of control, and religion is the best way to control people. Their souls are at stake. Tell them they'll reach the promised land if only they... fill in the blank ...and they will. For salvation. If it means torturing people in the name of whatever God they happen to believe in, then that's what they'll do, that's what they've done (through the centuries) and that's what they'll continue to do.
IMO, religion - and how some in power manipulate it - is the greatest hatemonger in the world.[/QUOTE]
What some people seem to have been ignoring here is that there are still a lot of people who do good deeds in the name of religion.
Sure, there are tons of religious zealots who do nothing but spread hatred against anyone who doesn't share their same views.
I can't deny the fact that religion has been used as a tool of fear and power, but why only see the ugly side of religion?
What about all the charity organizations and people who based on their faith believe on helping others? [/QUOTE]
Why only see the ugly side of religion? I can only answer for me. I was raised roman catholic. In other words, I was raised to be afraid. I was raised to feel guilty for everything except praying. A child who falls asleep each night in tears while praying so hard for forgiveness of sins s/he might have committed that will get him/her thrown into the fiery depths of hell, grows into an angry, resentful adult. At least that's how it was in my case. Add to that trauma of childhood, current world events and doctrines, and you cannot help but see only the ugly side.
Faith-based charities don't attract me. Perhaps they're doing good deeds, perhaps they're spreading their warped and narrow beliefs. I neither know nor care because my experience with faith has been torturous. I do not support any faith-based charities and in fact go out of my way to make sure when I sponsor something it is in no way connected to any church or religion.
I feel only fury when religion is discussed. Religion, IMO, cuckolds the human race. Destroys dreams and potential in the name of all that is holy. Fuck that. Why see only the ugly side of religion? Because, as history and current events prove, religion soils the world.
It's a matter of control, and religion is the best way to control people. Their souls are at stake. Tell them they'll reach the promised land if only they... fill in the blank ...and they will. For salvation. If it means torturing people in the name of whatever God they happen to believe in, then that's what they'll do, that's what they've done (through the centuries) and that's what they'll continue to do.
IMO, religion - and how some in power manipulate it - is the greatest hatemonger in the world.[/QUOTE]
What some people seem to have been ignoring here is that there are still a lot of people who do good deeds in the name of religion.
Sure, there are tons of religious zealots who do nothing but spread hatred against anyone who doesn't share their same views.
I can't deny the fact that religion has been used as a tool of fear and power, but why only see the ugly side of religion?
What about all the charity organizations and people who based on their faith believe on helping others? [/QUOTE]
Why only see the ugly side of religion? I can only answer for me. I was raised roman catholic. In other words, I was raised to be afraid. I was raised to feel guilty for everything except praying. A child who falls asleep each night in tears while praying so hard for forgiveness of sins s/he might have committed that will get him/her thrown into the fiery depths of hell, grows into an angry, resentful adult. At least that's how it was in my case. Add to that trauma of childhood, current world events and doctrines, and you cannot help but see only the ugly side.
Faith-based charities don't attract me. Perhaps they're doing good deeds, perhaps they're spreading their warped and narrow beliefs. I neither know nor care because my experience with faith has been torturous. I do not support any faith-based charities and in fact go out of my way to make sure when I sponsor something it is in no way connected to any church or religion.
I feel only fury when religion is discussed. Religion, IMO, cuckolds the human race. Destroys dreams and potential in the name of all that is holy. Fuck that. Why see only the ugly side of religion? Because, as history and current events prove, religion soils the world.